help with pea intolerance possibly?

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I posted a long thread in cat health about one of my three cats having stomach issues on and off and now more consistent issues this week after I fed a friskies can of shreds containing wheat gluten.  Ollie is 7 months old and has had on and off stomach issues.  I've always fed my older cat blue buffalo dry and friskies wet to supplement and started feeding the kittens the same.  Mostly problem free--few hiccups when kittens would eat dog food at my parents out etc but nothing major.  My vet there originally said nothing to worry over, kitty is fine/looks healthy, etc.  He has no parasites/worms, up to date on shots, etc.

This past week, all three kitties threw up after eating a friskies shred flavor they normally don't eat.  I had blue buffalo chicken indoor and chicken kitten flavors mixed and thought maybe that was an issue.  I replaced all of it with their normal food blue buffalo freedom chicken. Thea (7 mo old) and Shadow (13 years) have been perfectly fine since.  Ollie however has alternating loose stools and sometimes outright diarrhea issues. Wednesday? I think.. he began puking up dry food within 15 minutes of eating it.  After the friskies food incident, I went ahead and took the leap to change their wet food to higher quality food..I had been looking for a better food and just had not picked one yet.  I got blue wilderness chicken--it has three primary ingredients, chicken, potato, flaxseed.  I switched all three cats to nothing but the blue wilderness wet food.  No more issues puking but still alternating loose stools for Ollie.

At this point, I have scheduled a vet appointment but it's not until next week.  This is where I miss living in NC and having access to my regular vet--they literally would have just had me walk in the day I thought I had any problems but getting any sort of appointment with the vets where I am now is so much more difficult.  Anyhow, this entire time Ollie has been fine aside from the tummy issues.  He plays super hard, he drinks lots of water, his coat is great, he's bright eyed, etc.  After talking it over with my mom, she and I thought maybe there wasn't enough fiber in the wet food alone so she helped me find a limited ingredient food with chicken as the base and I got that to try to supplement--Nature's Balance pea and chicken.  Great--after today Shadow and Thea love it, Ollie's poo got a little more firm and he's nibbled on it all day on and off until tonight.  Tonight he threw up mostly digested food--went and ate more dry before I put it up and then threw that up too.  My mom says I'm worrying too much since Ollie seems otherwise fine but I feel helpless because I don't know what to do at this point.  Could he have an intolrance to the peas?  Pea and chicken were the only common ingredient in both the dry foods that caused issues.  He can eat chicken wet food that has chicken/potato/flax in it seemingly fine but I still cannot get his stool to harden up. Am I just not giving the wet food only diet long enough to be effective for him?  If it wasn't for the litter box, I really wouldn't think anything was wrong at all... so anyhow, any advice in the interim before he sees the vet would be appreciated... :( 

Also, if it is a pea intolerance, is there dry kitty food that is gluten free without peas?  Most of the "premium" brands I have checked so far all have peas/pea fibre/pea protein.
 

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Funny you said pea intolerance.  I feed Nature's variety Instinct canned as part of my rotation along with Friskies pate and Fancy Feast pate.  I've learned to pick out the little whole peas in some of the NVI cans because when I don't, I can hear Honey's tummy gurgle audibly!  Here's a pic of her as a baby trying, unsuccessfully to hide on my back porch!  Several of her sibs were behind the door cut out.  This was in 2004.  (Don't worry.  I only gave them milk twice.)

 
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Hi @missmimz

Thank you for responding.  I looked into those foods and of that batch, and at first I thought they all either had peas or gluten except for the Young Again one (I cannot afford that one unfortunately) but Natures Instinct has two flavors on my short list that have no peas and no gluten. Thank you very much!

Hi @Ginny I'm not positive it's the peas yet but it's the ONLY common ingredient between the two kibbles we tried this week!  I have them eating just wet food again and I guess that's OK.  I'm going to try to get this vet to see us tomorrow instead of later in the week.. if need be I may just walk in despite their "no walk ins".  I miss my vet so much.  Anyhow mine liked friskies pate a lot also!  I just got nervous when all three got sick and I'm still not entirely sure if it is a food issue for Ollie or not.  It sure seems to be, he ate the pea containing food again and was so sick again.  I feel like a dummy for trying it.
 

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Hi @missmimz

Thank you for responding.  I looked into those foods and of that batch, and at first I thought they all either had peas or gluten except for the Young Again one (I cannot afford that one unfortunately) but Natures Instinct has two flavors on my short list that have no peas and no gluten. Thank you very much!

Hi @Ginny I'm not positive it's the peas yet but it's the ONLY common ingredient between the two kibbles we tried this week!  I have them eating just wet food again and I guess that's OK.  I'm going to try to get this vet to see us tomorrow instead of later in the week.. if need be I may just walk in despite their "no walk ins".  I miss my vet so much.  Anyhow mine liked friskies pate a lot also!  I just got nervous when all three got sick and I'm still not entirely sure if it is a food issue for Ollie or not.  It sure seems to be, he ate the pea containing food again and was so sick again.  I feel like a dummy for trying it.
@Xira  the only dry food I feed mine now, which is against Dr. Pierson's advice, is Nature's Variety Instinct Grain free Duck and Turkey (with freeze dried raw coating).  I just checked the ingredients which includes ALMOST EVERYTHING except pea and grain. Lol, man that was a long list! 
 

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My boy reacts to Wellness and Blue so I dont know if it is peas or potatoes. I avoid both just to be safe. Wellness was hospitalization, Blue was just vomiting.
 

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Hi @missmimz

Thank you for responding.  I looked into those foods and of that batch, and at first I thought they all either had peas or gluten except for the Young Again one (I cannot afford that one unfortunately) but Natures Instinct has two flavors on my short list that have no peas and no gluten. Thank you very much!
It's definitely possible it's a pea allergy, but it's also possible it's something else. Kibble has so many fillers/ingredients in it that it's hard to really pinpoint the problem when you feed kibble. You might want to consider just feeding wet food for awhile until things calm down and then introduce some kibble. I do think a vet visit a good idea just to rule out anything else. Good luck! I hope your baby feels better soon. 
 
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Well, he's definitely going to the vet now, potentially the ER vet if they are even open.. we are snowed in at the moment, yay crummy VA roads.  He didn't eat dinner again last night and didn't want his breakfast but drank lots of water.  The result of the water was liquid poo with what looks like blood in it.. ugh :(.. I don't know what to do in the immediate future to help him.
 

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@missmimz  I was alarmed when I saw that NVI rabbit food is processed in China and therefore not recommended.  I wonder if that warning pertains to the canned rabbit as well as the dry?
 

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NVI no longer processes their rabbit from China. They changed their source over a year ago. It now sourced from New Zealand or France (can't remember which.). There is at least one thread on here that discusses this.
 

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NVI no longer processes their rabbit from China. They changed their source over a year ago. It now sourced from New Zealand or France (can't remember which.). There is at least one thread on here that discusses this.
Oh that's good to know. I use the rabbit FD boost as a topper to help my picky guy eat his raw food. 
 

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It's definitely possible it's a pea allergy, but it's also possible it's something else. Kibble has so many fillers/ingredients in it that it's hard to really pinpoint the problem when you feed kibble. You might want to consider just feeding wet food for awhile until things calm down and then introduce some kibble. I do think a vet visit a good idea just to rule out anything else. Good luck! I hope your baby feels better soon. 
@Xira, I'm so sorry Ollie's having all the stomach issues! A few other site members have mentioned cats having issues with peas (maybe one was @Ginny?). One of our cats has problems with potatoes. I wish I could remember where I read an article about peas and potatoes causing gas in cats because cats just don't digest them well.

Like missmimz says, it can be really hard to figure out what kibble ingredients are causing problems because so many kibbles have multiple carby, plant-based fillers. Do you have any wet food without wheat gluten, peas, or potato left that you could feed while you're waiting to be able to get him to the vet? Personally, that's what I'd try on him if he's not rejecting everything right now: some small amounts of something meaty, like Friskies pate, even just some plain cooked chicken or baby food that's just meat and broth, no vegetables. I hope you're able to get out soon! And don't feel like a dummy for trying the food again: I think we all make those mistakes. You just can't know.

It's interesting that Ginny mentions peas causing her cat's stomach to gurgle: Edwina's also gurgled horribly when she was still eating foods with potato, plus she had stupendously smelly gas and vomited bile. Within a couple months of adopting our cats, we put them on all wet foods with no grains, potato, peas, or other starchy fillers: that improved her stomach and digestive issues almost completely. (The remaining problem is that she sometimes eats too fast and vomits, eek, this is where I make my mistakes by feeding slightly too much sometimes, it's so hard to know what works and what doesn't!...)
 

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You could also try making your own chicken stock with just chicken, bones, and water - no onions or garlic.  I believe one vet adds a little ACV to the stock before she cooks it.  Does anyone know if that's ok?  She then fed it to her cat and her dog.  

I meant to add that chicken broth, especially bone broth, has healing qualities for the gut, for humans and pets.  
 
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NVI no longer processes their rabbit from China. They changed their source over a year ago. It now sourced from New Zealand or France (can't remember which.). There is at least one thread on here that discusses this.
NVI rabbit is sourced from France, they switched over in May of 2014.
 

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Oh that's good to know. I use the rabbit FD boost as a topper to help my picky guy eat his raw food. 
The oddest thing happened with the RB rabbit mixers last night and previously with my little IBD Molly: I had a few sample packs, last night I opened one, Mikey likes them mixed in with the LID canned rabbit. Anyway, Molly took a sniff from the bag and ran away, she wouldn't come back into the kitchen! I followed her with the bag and she kept running, weird!
 

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Well, he's definitely going to the vet now, potentially the ER vet if they are even open.. we are snowed in at the moment, yay crummy VA roads.  He didn't eat dinner again last night and didn't want his breakfast but drank lots of water.  The result of the water was liquid poo with what looks like blood in it.. ugh :(.. I don't know what to do in the immediate future to help him.
I'm glad you are taking kitty to the vet who will likely want to do a full CBC which will be helpful.
Keep us posted.
 

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The oddest thing happened with the RB rabbit mixers last night and previously with my little IBD Molly: I had a few sample packs, last night I opened one, Mikey likes them mixed in with the LID canned rabbit. Anyway, Molly took a sniff from the bag and ran away, she wouldn't come back into the kitchen! I followed her with the bag and she kept running, weird!
lol! I guess something spooked her. The odd thing is my Fluff doesn't even like rabbit, but he wants those mixers. 
 
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I'm glad you are taking kitty to the vet who will likely want to do a full CBC which will be helpful.
Keep us posted.
Hi!  We just got back from the Emergency Vet.  They ran a fecal, gave fluids just to be safe, gave shot of Cerenia, and antibiotic.  He came home with RX Royal Canin for two weeks, they want to do another fecal to rule out parasites and he has a probiotic, metronidazole chewies, and de-wormer just to ensure there isn't a parasite.  Other than his tummy issues they said he was in great shape, no fever or anything.  I gave him his new rx food with some probiotic and he'll get his chewie shortly.  They said start the worming meds in the AM. 

All things considered I am SO glad I took him to this ER vet tonight..they were fantastic, and I'm a lot less worried now.  The vet said she wants to rule our parasites and general food issues before looking down the IBD path due to how young and otherwise healthy he is. 

Thank you all for your support and helpful advice!  She also said to stick to a wet food for the majority of their food once he's better (first 2 weeks rx food though).  She said I can still give some kibbles for day time snacking but to get away from the blue buffalo because it's just too much for most kitties.  Thanks again!  When he is better I'm going to look into Instinct for kibble but for now sticking to a good wet food will be ideal!
 
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