Worried about a personality change in resident cat

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Hello,

I am new to these forums and found your site looking for answers.

I would like to lay out a bit of history here to insure that everyone gets a full picture.  Our current cat, Boo (also known as Boopod to which we have nicknamed her), is a 5 year-old, three-legged cat with one of her back legs missing.  Her tight umbilical chord cut-off circulation, and the leg had to be amputated when she was a kitten.  She was a rescue from our local adoption center, and according to them, she is a pure-bred American Short-Hair.

The people who had given her up claimed that she had potty problems (to which she does not), and only peed once outside the litter-box before giving her up.  In addition, the shelter said the house was massive with large amount of space, and she lived with one other cat and a dog.  They said she had no problems interacting with any of the other animals or humans, but the shelter thought it may have been because she was lonely.

After 3-4 months (we adopted her this last summer), she began to open up to us and has been the most clingy cat in the world.  She follows us like a magnet, wakes us up if we sleep too long, and also loves cuddling with us. I can't even go to the bathroom without her worrying about me pooping.  We do not hate this at all, we love it, and my fiancee is in love with her personality because she's extremely dog-like (his dog died last November).


However, three days ago, we ended up taking home another cat, named Maxie.  Maxie is de-clawed orange male tabby.  We aren't sure what his breed  is, but he's a huge, slender, and tall.  We call him a gentle regal giant. 

Unfortunately, to put things in perspective, Maxie was a twice give up.  There is nothing wrong with him, but his original owners had him for 5 years, and were the cruel people who declawed him and made him solely an outdoor cat.  In addition, the jerks they were, the husband of the family got a new job in another state across the country and decided to "drop him off" to our neighbors (about the same time we got Boo) who worked with the husband.  The first family literally got up and abandoned him, and left all his things with our neighbors.

Our friends, who are also our neighbors (and the wife who is my fiancee's coworker), were not 100% ready to take him in.  They waited for a so-called "trail period" with Maxie, but the original owners got up and left. 

They like cats, but the wife is very allergic.  She didn't realize how bad her allergies were and as Maxie got closer and more comfortable with them after 3 months, she started to get rashes. 

With no one to turn to, and with them admitting that Maxie was "too much work" and they didn't have time to give him "attention", they gave him up to us.

The first night was terrible, as he felt like he was getting abandoned, well a second time.  It was incredibly hard to watch because of his meowing and we tried to comfort him.  Luckily, we had taken care of him during our neighbor's vacation trips, so he has received a lot of compassion from us.


We placed him in his own private room, with a litter-box, food, and bedding.  We put a diffuser in there to keep him nice and settled.  He used the litter-box fine the first night, but accidentally peed on the bed the 2nd night.  We believe he has a UTI because we saw droplets of blood, and now we are going to take him to the vet ASAP.

As for introductions with our resident cat, Maxie has taken up to Boopod's smell so well.  He has no adverse reactions and in fact, doesn't bother with the sock we placed in the room with Boopod's smell.  The room was riddled with her pheromones, and he honestly has been pawing at her from under the door while rolling and purring.  This was after 3-4 days.

In terms of Maxie's personality he is extremely loving in a shy way, he hides for sometime, but that doesn't mean he won't let you pet him.  He eventually comes out and starts to love everything and is pretty clingy himself in his own aloof sort-of-way.

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My problem comes from Boo, we tried to do the sock method with her, and praise her when she has not adverse reactions.  We encouraged her to sniff and even lick the spots.  And whenever she doesn't hiss or fight it, we reward her with praise and treats.  We don't yell or scream when things aren't looking well, we just ignore the bad reactions we don't like, and praise the good ones.  We do the same for the both of them.

But her personality has gravely changed.  Now, even if I change my clothes and wash my hands thoroughly after petting Maxie she will hiss at me if I try to pick her up (like I usually do), pet her, or even love her while eating.  She has been avoiding the hallway to which Maxie is next to, and we had to place another litter-box so she wouldn't get an accident from not wanting to go to the other litter-box down the hall.  We even put a 2nd diffuser in the room to calm Boo down.

But for the past 4 days she has been reluctant of me and my fiancee.  She hasn't been greeting us like she normally does.  It's almost like she's grumpy.  We have been doing the introductions as slow as possible (they haven't met at all yet), and we have been swapping smells very gradually.  We act normal, and let the days pass just like a normal work week.

However, Boo just doesn't seem ready, and we can't understand this because she lived with other animals and is in fact, very clingy to anyone and everyone, but once she gets to know them.  It takes her time to open up.  We don't plan on rushing.

Our major concern is just we want her to be comfortable and bumbling like she always is, and we don't want her to change because of a new cat.  We feel really sorry for Maxie and don't want to have to end up re-homing him a 4th time because no one loves him and has no home.  Or worse be killed for no reason.

Our last option would to be giving him up to my mother who has another cat who once lived with another male cat (who died last October, my favorite cat).

I really want these two cats to live peacefully because I believe, from their depressing backgrounds and their funny and adorably clingy personalities, they would get along really well.  In fact, help each other.
 

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Hi, and welcome to TCS :wavey:

First off, THANK YOU for giving these cats the loving home and stability they both desperately need. :high5: The world needs more people like you :nod:

On to Boo and Maxie. It sounds like you're doing everything right, but Boo is just freaked by Maxie's presence. This WILL pass in time...even though it may take a while.

The diffusers are great - but do you have enough? One diffuser covers 50-70sq metres. It would definitely be worth making sure the whole house is covered by them.

Spirit Essences are something else to look into - I've had great success using flower essences with animals. Composure would be well worth trying too. Some cats don't like the treats, so you might be better with the liquid version, which can easily be 'hidden' in wet food.

Remember that interactive play is a great stress buster, and will help boost Boo's confidence - both in herself and in her territory. Don't forget the meaty treat/snack to end the session - this brings the 'hunt' to a satisfying conclusion as she can then eat her 'prey'

Hang in there. You will see the old Boo emerging once again. Just give her the time and space she needs to adjust.[article="32680"][/article][article="29726"][/article][article="30316"][/article][article="32758"][/article][article="0"][/article][article="0"][/article]
 
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Thank you for your reply! We put diffusers in both rooms. We also took Maxie to the vet and got him hydrated a bit because he was a tad dehydrated. I also got him a large cat tree to put in his room (he probably never had one) so he would have some fun to himself.

As for Boo, I have not taken it personally and just decided to let her be. I still play with her on a daily basis, and pet her. If she still has problems I will resort to using the spirit essence.

Thanks for the advice, and I will make sure to update!
 

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You and I are in similar situations and joined for the same reason. I have 2 cats, a mom, Kitty (5yr) and a son, Max (4yr). I adore our relationship. I know my cats. 2 months ago, a new cat joined our pride. He was an intact male kitten. My guess from experience about 1yr . Vet says 1 to 2. He had inappropriate urine habits, because of being intact. He's fine, now. Loki is a stray.  Max found him in my cat escape proof yard. From the first meeting, he was extremely affectionate.  Needless to say, I did everything possible to find his people. No one was looking for him. So I got him a wellness check and rabies vax and moved him into the house. Shortly after he was neutered. Because of the urine issue and the hormones, We took our time for cat introductions and it has gone well. They are not left alone unsupervised yet and Loki still sleeps in his safe room. When they are together they sniff noses. However, Loki being a kitten(play, play, play), Max walks around very cautiously otherwise he invites Loki's attention (stalking). Also Max will not play when Loki is out of his safe room. 

So when these issues are corrected, will Max become his old regular self?

Every post or article says yes or possibly. These articles are repeated almost word for word from one site to the next.   What I need to read are peoples actual experience with cats returning to their former selves after introductions. There are no elaborate tales of this anywhere. Maybe we will be the first. Good luck.

Oh one more thing, cats are complicated like us. Do Not Swap Bedding for scent id. Bad Bad suggestion for cat introductions. Think about it. Do you want to sleep in someone else's stinky sheets......complicated like people
 
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I just read your story.  Thank you for taking more cats in, it is really is tough.

This isn't the first meet-and-greet I did for two cats.  I adopted a 11 year old cat male (Beau), after having a 1 year old cat (Ming) from the same shelter.  However, we adopted Beau a year after Ming.

My family and I messed this one up.  Beau, was dropped in the first day was brought home, and my family only had one litter-box.  There was loads of trouble of spraying and pee everywhere.  In addition, mother didn't want to spend extra money getting 2 more litter-boxes and my adorable Beau was hyper aggressive to Ming, who was pretty shy.  Eventually, they sorted-stuff out, and Ming's personality did not change.  In fact she became more needy.  However, being the British Bombay she was, she grew extremely attached to my younger sister and Beau became extremely attached to me and my mother.

Beau was a mixed Turkish Angora or Van (not too sure), but he loved water and was very loving, as long as he had his own territory.  His places included the couch, and my mother's bedroom.  Ming's territory was my sister's room and the kitchen.  So eventually, they pick some spots to hang out, and we had a tiny hallway, so after some initial hissing and growling for the first year, they seemed to tolerate each other.

I did notice that Beau's personality changed when I was very upset from work/stressed.  He would pee more inappropriately, and in addition become a little mean.  However, when I would sit on the couch and become very relaxed, he became more open and playful.

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With the new pair I have, I have been going exceptionally slow.  They finally saw each other, and as long as my fiancee was home, Boo decided to act as her usual cute self.  She's still adjusting, and still hisses in the distance to remind Maxie that she's the dominant female.  She still needs to work the courage to coming back up to greet us in the bedroom, but it hasn't been a week yet since we got Maxie.  Maxie is 100% ready to meet her, and she's just not ready yet.

We simply ignore any unwanted behaviors.  Now there is no aggression at all, just uneasiness.  Very different from days ago.  Boo has now started to do her dog-toy "squeaking" with my fiancee and with me, she's just slightly indifferent (because I play with Maxie more).

Occasionally she'll come out and peak at the door, but she just sniffs and walks away.
 
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*UPDATE* I am going to lay the pros and cons:The good news is Boopod's personality actually hasn't changed at all since Maxie has been brought home a month ago. It has stayed the same. In addition, Maxie has gone from being the extra shy cat to the super playful and interactive one. Even more so than Boo suprisingly.The bad news is when my fiancé and I did the swap in different rooms, Boopod was extremely pissed in being put into another room that had his smells. She has been fine with the sock methods, blankets and even our hands, but got too feisty and almost bit my fiancée with the room swap. Instead we opened the doors and she seems to have been better about observing the rooms while Maxie was in another room.Maxie wants to come out badly from his sanctuary. We let him roam the house while Boo was in another room and he's gotten so well acquainted that he actually has zero problems tolerating her. When we do the crack the door method he doesn't stare, shows his butt towards her, blinks at her, tail down, and sits, he even meows a bit, and no growling and hissing at all. In fact he sometimes does a bit of playful rolling and pawing. The only one hissing and growling is Boo. The feeding method really worked for him but not Boo.Then our real trouble came with her vomiting from anxiety. We checked the food, food is good, and we observed it making sure she didn't eat anything bad. But since we started doing the feeding excercise, which the bowls have been getting pushed closer with a baby gate, she has been doing good, but cannot seem to keep the food down as of recent.We have been using calming sprays. Those worked too but not enough.
 

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My guess is that Boo is eating too fast.

Our cat was doing this during the introductions too.  She ate so fast because she was worried about the cat on the other side of the door and about a hour later it would come back up.

If you do notice her eating faster than normal you could try some slow feeders.  They are like bows with things sticking up in them so rather than that the cat stuff it's face they need to paw the food out and eat a few kibbles at a time. 

I also hear about putting and food on a plate and then putting a small bowl or cup in the middle so the cat works around and slows down the eating, but I I cant confirm if this works.

After awhile our cat calmed down and realized the new cat wasnt going to steal her food. In fact our resident cat has gone to teaching the new kitty how to "hide" her food by pawing at the floor as if she could bury the bowl.
 
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Great advice from O onirin here :bigthumb:

You might want to consider trying Boo on some Spirit Essences or Composure for a while - just to ease the transition/introduction phase.
 
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Which spirit essence should I get for her? We got the nature's miracle calming spray and that seemed to work, but there are so many spirit essence and I want to make sure one works because the calming spray didn't for her.
 

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It's really hard for me to pick for you - you know Boo best after all. There are pretty good descriptions for each of the essences on the site. Those are your best guide. Not knowing Boo's personality all that well, the one that jumps out at me is Changing Times - this is, after all, a huge change for her.

The other thing I wonder is whether you're rushing things a little. Everything you're saying about Boo's reactions is making me think that she's just not ready for this level of contact. Try going back a couple of stages and let Boo set the pace.
 
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Honestly she had been doing well for the first three weeks and stopped meowing and hissing when the door was opened a crack, however, when we did the baby gate method that's when she started throwing up.
 

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Did you have the baby gate fully covered with a blanket (to block visual stimulation) when you made the switch? Going from a cracked door to an uncovered baby gate is simply moving way too fast. If she was happy with the cracked door, go back to that for a bit to rebuild her confidence. Once she's relaxed again you can start GRADUALLY increasing her exposure to Maxie.

Putting Boo into Maxie's room isn't essential. Instead, put her in a room she feels safe in while Maxie has a chance to explore.
 
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Yes we covered it with a blanket. And made her eat fro opposite sides. I can got back to the cracked door. I thought we were going gradual, but if this doesn't work out I'm afraid we might have to give Maxie up which would be the worst thing to do. Again, this is all very straining on us considering our lack of time, and how both cats got sick.

In addition, we are expecting a guest over thanksgiving and Boo does not take well to guest, until a few hours later. The guest needs the separate room that Maxie is staying over in. The guest is fine with cats, but I have no idea where to put Boo when the guest is over with all this stuff of about cat introductions. Plus a guest staying a few days. My fiancé is teacher and doesn't have enough time at night to deal with the issue. I also work at night and especially need to work Black Friday.
 

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Be patient. Introductions don't always go by the book - I know mine didn't!

If Boo is happy with the cracked door method, stick to that (just gradually open the door a touch further until they have full view of each other. All you want is that they tolerate each other for now, and respect each other's space).

It may even be an issue with the baby gate rather than Maxie! Cats can take against the strangest things sometimes.

Given all the stresses that are coming I might consider Composure for her - just until your guest leaves.
 
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Thank you for your help, I really appreciate its. And I didn't think about the gate being bad! It was used by a dog before so... That could explain it! Also, Maxie keeps jumping the gate! The gate is 6 feet high and he keeps escaping wanting to meet boo from the safe room. He dashes. This is why I'm worried about my guest!
 
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*UPDATE 2*

We brought Boo to the vet tonight, and turns out Boo caught something that wasn't coming up on the x-rays and/or blood work. She was throwing up for 2 1/2 days and wasn't eating or drinking water and keeping it down. I asked the vet if it was stress related, and the vet said no, because it would have been something very different such a peeing or being reclusive.

She said, that the cat introduction seemed fine, just that she might not be doing well due to an unknown upset stomach. We were given anti-nausea medication, and is not suppose to be throwing up within the next two days. IF she does, it could be very serious, and might be some kind of bad obstruction.

Not sure what caused it, but crossing my fingers she'll be okay and I can proceed with keeping her calm while my guest is over and also to have her destress from Maxie.

:eek:hno:
 

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I can't give any advice I'm a new cat owner always had dogs but lost our white Shepard to cancer in April and this stray kitten showed up under our deck and never left.weather got bad we let her in and she's now become our Bella.I'm so hooked on Boo and maxie now and things your going through with them and hope you will repost to let us no how Boo comesout with her being ill.my daughter did bring one if bBella's kittens yes pregnet to but we fell in love with her.but she had female since was kitten and no other animals until this mitten of Bella's litter and she just put them out there and old cat was so jealous at first but doing wonderful with new baby hope all goes well and if ya have time please post in Boo feel like I no them now lol thank you hope is OK.
 

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*UPDATE 2*

We brought Boo to the vet tonight, and turns out Boo caught something that wasn't coming up on the x-rays and/or blood work. She was throwing up for 2 1/2 days and wasn't eating or drinking water and keeping it down. I asked the vet if it was stress related, and the vet said no, because it would have been something very different such a peeing or being reclusive.

She said, that the cat introduction seemed fine, just that she might not be doing well due to an unknown upset stomach. We were given anti-nausea medication, and is not suppose to be throwing up within the next two days. IF she does, it could be very serious, and might be some kind of bad obstruction.

Not sure what caused it, but crossing my fingers she'll be okay and I can proceed with keeping her calm while my guest is over and also to have her destress from Maxie.

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Oh no - poor Boo :eek:hno: Did the vet give you any idea of what's making her so sick? It's vital she starts keeping a decent amount of food down, or there's a a risk of hepatic lipidosis. Really hope she's better soon :vibes:
 

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I sincerely hope the nausea meds do the trick, cats not eating and drinking is a serious problem. :(

That said, you may want to consider a second opinion. Cats can and do display stress via vomiting and food/water avoidance. I know this because that is the main display of stress for my Sinbad, and I have spoken about it extensively with 3 different vets, as well as the people who run the shelter where we volunteer/adopted him.

I do not mean to say that there is nothing wrong with Boo; I am not a vet nor do I know enough about cats in general as opposed to mine to guess what could be wrong. Just that I would seek a second opinion aside from a vet who insists that there are a set number of codified stress displays in cats. Just like with people, cats can display stress in many different ways.
 
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I sincerely hope the nausea meds do the trick, cats not eating and drinking is a serious problem. :(

That said, you may want to consider a second opinion. Cats can and do display stress via vomiting and food/water avoidance. I know this because that is the main display of stress for my Sinbad, and I have spoken about it extensively with 3 different vets, as well as the people who run the shelter where we volunteer/adopted him.

I do not mean to say that there is nothing wrong with Boo; I am not a vet nor do I know enough about cats in general as opposed to mine to guess what could be wrong. Just that I would seek a second opinion aside from a vet who insists that there are a set number of codified stress displays in cats. Just like with people, cats can display stress in many different ways.
You know what's funny is I told the vet that I think it's stress related. And well, of course she denied it. I highly think it is, because if there was nothing wrong with the blood levels and her x-rays, and just a little "tough tummy" I believe she was just holding a grudge or jealousy towards Maxie. The meds have been working, although... she has been ENTIRELY resistant.

We have tried the towel method, and we are going to get some pill pockets today. While she enjoys being in the towel, and purrs, (It's honestly really adorable, because of her small size she's like a small baby, and with her squeaking, makes it all the cuter) the pill just made her squirm like no tomorrow.

As for M malisa , I am happy you have been enjoying my introduction process! I will update regularly, and post some pictures.

Here is Boo laying on our couch on a normal cold morning. Everyday, I wake up and we call this "beaning" because she reminds me of a little pinto bean ready to be wrapped in a spinach tortilla burrito. This is usually when she starts squeaking, like the dog toy she is.

This is Maxie getting use to his massive cat tree. With the two previous owners, he was called
"super shy" and "aloof". I have had no such issues with this cat. Other than the fact that I actually got his bad teeth removed and played with him, he has become the most confident cat I have seen. He gets scared with new people just like Boo for some time, but he lets ANYONE pet him. He likes to look outside the window, and enjoys LONG pet sessions, which are difficult because he rolls and gets eleterically charged by the carpet.

As for Maxie he has been doing fantastic! :clap:

No problems with meds, he's probably going to finish today, but I am beyond happy that I took him in. Because he really has blossomed as a pet with us.

And of course, here is Maxie looking down at the other apartments, wondering about the other humans and cats, and the boxes they live in. This is him getting use to our bedroom, while Boo was in a seperate room.

We like to switch up so they get use to each other's scents. Sock method totally fine. The room however, Boo has some adversing to, but no hissing just annoyance. She still is doing her investigating. The doors can open up one side of the wall so she doesn't feel trapped.

:rbheart:

Also since I'm pretty people are wondeirng what three-leggedness she has. That's her nub of justice.

And here are some "Too Cute" photos. Sometimes... I wondering if Boo... was named Boo from looking like a Beanie Boo.

Maxie is wayyyy too flirty.
 
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