cat have no respect for things or objects and constantly making messes

Specifically speaking of my dinning table. I have beautiful place mats and napkins. But I can't have them sit out without them knocking them off the table.the top of my table slides off for a hidden poker table under. I constantly have to slide it on because they jump on in and slide it halfway off. I won't go into end tables and counters. Ive learned to keep those clear, but they sit on my DVD player while watchin a movie and then get mad that I shoo their heavy Butts off of it and out of the tvs ways. I want to chase them around with a spray bottle like ppl tell me, hell I even have the two older ones afraid of the krinkle noise empty water bottles make because I use to tose them at them when they were young and up a 3am. But I'm afraid they don't learn. All they do is run away then run right back....u.u

I had a cat before she got stolen in a corenter argument. She understood objects were things and walked around them, didn't touch them..unless it was paper. Then she layer on it. But I had no fear of her knocking a priceless vase off a shelf. She'd walk around it because she knew it was there. But these two don't care. And my kitten is learning ALL there bad habbits

I've never really dealt with this issue myself (if I don't want the cats to knock things, I have them well out of their reach or put away in cupboards etc). With the dvd player, can you put something over it so the cats can't sit on it? That seems like the simplest solution for that issue.

The sliding tabletop is more complicated. Yes, ideally they need to learn that the table is off limits, but in the meantime is there any way to keep the sliding top from moving - maybe wedging it somehow, or finding a way to bind it in place.

You may find the cats (especially the kittens) are less destructive if you wear them out with interactive play a couple of times a day. This should also help with getting them settled at night.

Be patient. These are young cats just doing what comes naturally. They're little bundles of energy, and if you don't help them drain that energy in a constructive way then it's likely that they'll expend it in (unintentionally) potentially destructive ways.

If they like climbing, make sure they have plenty of permitted places to climb - cat trees, shelving 'steps', even walkways. This thread is an extreme example (very lucky cats though ) of what can be achieved http://www.thecatsite.com/t/297074/snick-and-jaspers-new-cat-wall-furniture

These articles may help too :-
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/cats-and-discipline-dont-mix
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/the-dos-and-donts-of-cat-behavior-modification
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/get-off-how-to-discourage-your-cat-from-jumping-on-counters
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/cats-and-night-crazies
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/cat-play-the-rules-of-the-game
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/playing-with-your-cat-ten-things-every-cat-owner-needs-to-know

Your cats are young, full of energy and they are bored. They are not bad cats and they are not doing things to purposely upset you. Knocking things off, walking on counters, sitting on laptops, are ways for them to occupy their time. 

First cat proof your home. If you don't want them to "play" with fragile things, don't leave them out in the open. Provide them with cat trees, or shelves exclusively to cater to their climbing instincts, lots of interactive cat toys and spend more time playing with them.

To discipline them, I do what mama cats do. I hiss.   In time, they will learn. 

They could be looking for attention.  This morning one of my cats wanted to go out (on a leash and harness) while I was eating breakfast.  He saw a moth just outside the patio doors and wanted to eat it.  I think.   So he sat at the door meowing loudly for a long time and when that didn't work he knocked over his glass of water on the kitchen table all over the mail and magazines on it.  When I had to put aside my breakfast to clean up the mess he went back to the door to meow some more.  Then he decided to chase and attack the other cat to get my attention.  So frustrating!  Oatmeal doesn't taste good cold.

Lol no oatmeal doesn't taste good cold... but it's not an attention things. Well the kitten yes, he meows for it. But the 2, 4 yr old cats just have no respect for items. If items are on a table. Doesn't matter what it is they will lay on them and eventually push them off. They don't walk around things but through things. Yes I am working on making "cat friendly" areas but in the meantime how on earth do it get them to stop??? The table cannot be held in any way. It's on rubbers for grip but a 15 lb cat can easily slide it just by jumping on it in an angle. The one who does the most destruction in a vary careless not even meaning to way is my older 4 yr old. He doesn't play. I'm quite serious on this. He can't be bothered by string toys, balls, kingly things, crinkle toys,lasers, he ignores them all. And the only thing he does play with is if you do the moving hand that ING on the carpet. Which I won't do because he bit my father in law and he lost his finger from that. He's doesn't play he hunts. But he's to unintelligent to let outside unattended(tried to get eaten by pit bull on several attempts) and he plays dead if you put a leash and harness on him. He's truly a good cat. But he's big in size and is like having a medium sized dog running ramped all over my house. He's not running wildly. He just prefers to run to a jump to get to places. And we'll that results in his heavy butt slidding off the table top which if does fall will kill another cat if they are unlucky enough to be below it. Or even him if he slides it into the empty 75 gallan fish tank I'm setting up. And hissing or swatting results in me being swatted back at or hissed back at...and truth me told Blake's a pretty scary tough cat I'd not want to piss off. He got away with things at as a kitten simply because I didn't want to be bit. But the small shoping and water bottle squirting seems to have gotten nowhere and he's getting worse. I really have no idea how to discipline him.

Well, first off you don't discipline a cat. They are not doing anything to upset you, they are doing it because it is fun. All the water spraying, chasing, and yelling will only make the cat fear you. Do you want him to go there when you are not home? Because that's what he will learn to do. Does he have a cat tree or a desk/table just for him to climb and lie on? If he likes catnip you can put some on his play area. You need to praise him when he does good, not discipline him when he is bad. Cats don't understand that. Have you tried feather toys? Real feathers? One other question, is he a large cat or rather a heavy set cat? Also for 4 years doing as he pleases, its not going to be easy to change, but in time, I am sure he will. I am surprised with the stress of being in trouble as you see it, that he has been nice about not pottying elsewhere.

I have several cats that will knock everything off tables,pull down blankets, hide my stuff, so what I did was buy a large China Cabinet and put all my special things I did not what chewed or possibly broken, in there behind the glass.

I am sorry that your father was bit and he was injured badly from it but when you play using hands you will get hurt. Was it because the cut was not properly cleaned and kept clean? 

I do want to thank you for putting up with him and loving them even though they can be a handful sometimes.

I've never understood why people say cats cant be disciplined. He knows right from wrong and knows when he does bad. I can sometimes just say his name in a stern voice and he immediately stops what he's doing and runs off to a cat friendly zone. When he was younger he use to growl/mumble back at me before doing so. Now he had the selective hearing and looks in the other direction at a speck on the wall or lint in the air pretending I'm talking to another Blake in the house. And I do currently have bathroom issues with him. But that's a long going thing. And it's in one place, the tub. And only one tub. Which I'm starting to think he just wants a bigger litter pan. So I'm trying to special order a larger one. Since he is a large (not fat) cat. I don't actually chase him. Well...not unless he bites me for shoeing him. The yeah, I follow him slowly and patiently to catch him to show him the blood on my hand and tell him no no. And let him go in a cat zone. And I understand cats play I get that. But he's not playing. I call him my psycho cat because he's very not cat like. All he does is sleep, stare outhe the window and then knock things over, not purposely he just doesn't seem to have a since of 'the item is there walk around' he knows he can push right through it and he doesn't he think of the consequences. Once he knocked a vase that I swore was out of his reach....onto my husband's head. Well I didn't even get to get yell at him, he ran and hid under the couch because he heard my hubby yelling and probably smelled the blood. The destruction isn't small things. It's big heavy things cats usually don't knock down. He pushed drying plates off the counters. Attempt to murder the other cats with heavy decorations that neither of the other two bother with. The other way he almost hurt himself and the kitten by jumping on the table and it slide almost smudged the kitten which in a panic squated. I luckily was in the hall and caught it just in time. His careless actions are getting worse. It's not even play it's just household travel from one end to the other than at causes all this. I do understand cats take up a good portion of a cat owners life. But my husband is getting quite sick of making are life around them. We can't even display stuff, and being he's manager for a high end furniture company, when his Co workers come over it looks horrible that are house is so under decorated allike because of a cat. It's too the point his friends have him convinced to get rid of the cats. Which I'm fighting. Blake's not a people cat, took him 3 yrs to like me. Only other option woult be to euthanize which I feel is unfair to him. I've tried tall wall mounted shelves but he can jump from floor to 9ft. So yeah, useless. Glass cabinets just get broke last two I had he ran into sliding and broke. Other he knew how to open the door and claimed it as his. -.- I just really need a plan or a discipline rutine. Or something because if I can't get him in line I will lose. And he will end up either outdoors (not outside cat) or in a shelter (not a friendly cat) u.u and neither will be good

I am sorry you do not want to look at this from the cats' perspective. I too, get upset but I must remind myself to look through, what I call, cat glasses and see why mine do what they do. Cats do things as instinct sometimes. Your cat is not out to break your things to spite you. He runs because he is afraid. I can see why he is not such cat-like as you say, some cats are very loving and some aren't but with all the stress he is probably very afraid. I do think you're over thinking his responses to you.He looks away because he is afraid not because he is disrespecting you.If a cat started at another cat that would be cause for fighting. Regarding the potty issues. Is the litterbox cleaned at least twice a day? How many litter boxes do you have? Also I've used a large storage tote bin without the lid and it makes nice litter boxes. They come in several colors too. He did not attempt to murder the other kitties, he seems to especially like arranging  things and changing things. Can you get him a mouse puzzle toy that has little toys that pop in and out of it? Let me find a link.  What kind of table is it that he is jumping on? As for decorating, I've found sticking velcro to the bottom of larger things and unto a table and then it is not as easily moved.  As for this, do you have a spare room  you could possibly keep him in temporarily? Another thing, I noticed in your reply, you haven't mentioned if he has a tree/desk or anything else to call his own. Does he?

Oh my apologies I forgot to respond about a cat tree. He broke his cat tree in a week. He is too big. I bough one of those large, very very very large cat trees that make me look like the crazy cat lady and them very spoild. I had the e delivery man put it together. It was sturdy and nice. But he's so heavy. That his jumps. As nice and neat as they are, I've had him land on me and before and they are pure force. He snapped two levels. And eventually all was left in as a pole and a box...so other than a scratch pole and a box hut that he's no big to crawl into, he doesn't really have a cat tree. And af tree r spending $300 on that at petco I'm scared to get him another unless I build it out of solid wood myslef. And he doesn't run scared. He just isn't a slow quiet cat. He glide jump/runs w.e you want to call it. On/off everything. Very very very impressive but his size makes it a Hazzard to objects and people. The table is my hubby's prized possession it's a round bumper pool table, the top flips or slides off. It's solid oak and I can't even lift the lid on my own, it's that heavy. And there's no way he will allow altering or removing of the table. I am a nifty crafter/builder so if anyone has ideas that I can build on a rental home such a a cat bookshelf I seen once I will attempt it. But I don't think a cat condo will stop him from doing what he does. It will just give him one more place of ownership to keep from the other cats. Lol. And I have one box, I will try the tote idea, that sounds a bit bigger.

The fact that he's treating your house like a race course sounds like he has a lot of energy and needs an output. Do you play with him with wand toys? I would try to tired him out until he's panting, maybe once or twice a day. After each session, feed him and he'll probably go right to sleep. 

I think you have tried the discipline route already and you know it's not working. It might be time to try the route of compromising in a cat's language. Of course, not having nicely decorated things in the house is already compromising for a human but it's not really for a cat. You say he can jump onto shelves 9ft on the wall. Do the shelves break when he does that? Maybe you can install 2 or 3 shelves just for him. You can even use those shelves as a playground for him, moving a toy up and down the shelves so he's jumping a lot and getting rid of all that pent up energy. 

I've heard good things about this cat tree, I plan to buy one soon. They have various sizes/styles. 
It was recommended to me by a a fellow cat fosterer and she has at least 8 of her own and the tree is still in one piece.  I will be tagging @catwoman707   she has a lot of experience with cats and their people so she may be able to offer better help than mine. I do hope you can sort this out and it will be a safe, happy, peaceful home for all.

He does play with toys, I've tried wand toys, I've wiggled it, and nI response. eventually tried 'annoying' him with it to entice him to attack it, he just got pissed at the feathers for touching him and snapped the rod. I've tried cat nip but he's aggressive with it, anywhere you put it you can go near he gets possessive and very scary. The velcro idea above actually sounds like a interesting idea. I'll test out some industrial velcro on a few cheap vases I won't get mad over losing if he breaks...let's just hope he's not paying attention and gets smart enough to yank them up....he has food 24/7 I raised him that way so he eats usually three times a day on his own I've noticed. Playing with him isn't possible do to his aggressive instincts, I've tried catnip toys in which he rips to shreads..he had a heating things not meant to issue when younger so I'm kinda scared he might eat toy pieces he rips up so I haven't bought any more. The shelf idea I have tried. I had bought garage industrial shelves. And had my hubby put them up with several 100lb wall anchors. Well I'm not sure the weight of his jump force but he has made several holes in several other rentals that I had to patch from the shelves ripping out, I think it's the walls not the shelves. I'm trying to hook up a large fish tank hoping he will be mesmerized by the bubbles and fish and sleep by it for a few weeks (probably not). The discipline half works. He knows the noise of a bottle and will run off from the crinkle. But will come back because he knows I won't actually do anything. And I'm a bit more afraid of him than he is of me. The cat puzzle toys sound intresting. But I've never seen him in trestles in anything like that except when he was a wee kitten, at a yr old he didn't play with any toys at all anymore. I'll buy one and see if he does. But it will probably end up the other cats new toy since he is a non playful cat. I was suggested by a vet, a crazy vet of mine...to release store bought mice for him to hunt, one at a time. And well, I'm not doing that. She also wanted him on a raw fresh killed rabbit diet due to his large size. And we'll not doing that either

Wow, strange about the live mice idea.  I am wondering how did you adopt him and most importantly, is he neutered? This is the toy I meant, I found a link, 

According to petco and a paper he is. According to my mama cat with 3 tuxedo kittens that match his tuxedo self I don't think so (can I sue petco for that? lol) he's never sprayed so I never thought anything of it until well the kittens ofcourse

Ah, thank you for trying so many things already! It's a shame he doesn't play. My cat only prefers one toy and I've bought A LOT of toys for him. He will go crazy for that toy. But he doesn't rip it to shreds so that's different from your cat. 

Is it possible to try scheduled feeding times? That way, he might settle down and actually develop and understand routine. It could even encourage him to play/hunt for food. Here's an interesting article: http://www.pet-happy.com/6-reasons-why-you-should-stop-free-feeding-your-cat/

And the vet's idea of releasing mice in the house...   That's a little crazy and I bet it would become a HUGE mess and you would have even MORE broken vases.

Having him on a raw diet might be your vet's way of getting your cat to lose weight. It doesn't have to be freshly killed rabbit (I doubt many even have the resource!!). Can just be commercial raw or freeze dried raw. Of course, this is your choice. But asking you to kill a rabbit is a little crazy too.

And the mice idea came from the only vet that wanted to see him again, she was a natural vet all botanical pet okay stuff. Blake doesn't like ppl. And she's the only one that understand that. And the only one that didon't try and sue me for him trying to destroy there computer when they let him lose on their desk lol. She tryed toys and such. And after telling her about his great want of the outdoors. But hating leashes. And the one time he got out he brought me a baby rabbit......and also got attacked by a dog so he doesn't go out anymore, ever. So she suggested his natural hunting instincts might over power his personality, basically she told me I had a domestic feral and I should try a bit more feral approach to games for him. Like live mice. Since he loves, and I mean loves torturing poor lizards that get inside. This was when I had all tile and blood mess wouldn't be so bad. But never went through with it. I'm sure he'd like it, but idk. Sounds like a mess I'd have to clean up if he doesn't eat it,like the lizards.

How about a catio?  Jackson Galaxy has a link to cats on deck which are modular enclosures that can be moved, so not pernament.  The cats can access through a window.  Here's the link: http://www.catsondeck.com/

I've also seen Ikea shelves made into cat trees by cutting away part of the sheves so the cat can climb up through them. I copied the link to the image of one.  You can even make it using shelves found at thrift stores.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cat...m%2Fexplore%2Fcat-climbing-shelves%2F;236;353

You should have taken the cat tree back to petco.  You can return within 30 days.  Pet Smart too.  I've returned cat trees that haven't worked.

What if you put a small table in front of where the cat jumps so the initial force isn't on the cover of the bumper pool table?  I would put a towel or something overlapping where they meet so it doesn't scratch up the oak.  Have you tried covering the table w/a cloth that will slide with the cat so the wood doesn't?

mingking said:

Ah, thank you for trying so many things already! It's a shame he doesn't play. My cat only prefers one toy and I've bought A LOT of toys for him. He will go crazy for that toy. But he doesn't rip it to shreds so that's different from your cat. 

Is it possible to try scheduled feeding times? That way, he might settle down and actually develop and understand routine. It could even encourage him to play/hunt for food. Here's an interesting article: http://www.pet-happy.com/6-reasons-why-you-should-stop-free-feeding-your-cat/

And the vet's idea of releasing mice in the house...   That's a little crazy and I bet it would become a HUGE mess and you would have even MORE broken vases.

Having him on a raw diet might be your vet's way of getting your cat to lose weight. It doesn't have to be freshly killed rabbit (I doubt many even have the resource!!). Can just be commercial raw or freeze dried raw. Of course, this is your choice. But asking you to kill a rabbit is a little crazy too.

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he's not fat, he is thin and fir, just very very large and very musculare. My literal description of him would be imagine a black panther. Now shrink him down to a little over uncomfortable lap size. He is a Lil beast. And if it wasnt for the fact he doesn't understand danger I'd fully suggest he should be an outdoor cat. But after several bad decisions he's not allowed outside. She wanted raw because she was worried he wasn't getting enough calories for his muscle weight. If I had a yard and a pin I might actually allow the whole kill what you eat idea. But I dont. And I've tried the feeding rutine way. He becomes destructive and pissed off. He broke the pantry door getting to the food bag and ripped open the bag. He's like a very agile dog in reality.

I've seen him catch birds mid air. He's a very good hunter. And because of that if he was let loose in a large woody area with no bigger prey he'd be fine. But he's to friendly to animals. And almost got killed by 3 dogs and a snake. Oh and a car, he assumed the car wouldn't hit him and layer in the middle of the road. Which I luckily caught the drivers attention to stop and when he did Blake was still laying there lazily as if nothing happened. He was a rescued stray kitten petco was trying to get a adopted. He was about to be sent back to humane society when I spotted him because he was so anti social and aggressive. He's not as destructive playful anymore just destructive pathing. I've tried making a runway way path for him clearing all areas he usually goes. But it's hard to maintain a normal life with no items. He refuses to walk on the ground and leaps from one thing to the other going from my bed to the kitchen to his food to the litter box. Which needs invasive jumping on obstacles and such just to get there (walking would be so much faster,silly cat) I did she a fake mouse under carpet toy that moves the mouse around. He attacks my feet through the comforter so I thought it was a good idea until I touched it for myself. He's to strong for fragile toys like that. I've seen him snap things that are ment to be cat proof. I need dog proof cat toys maybe. But like ones he actually will play with.

I'm sitting here laughing.  I know it's frustrating for you.  But his antics are amusing from a distance.  Glad you are trying your best to keep him.