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I'm so very desperate for advice. I dabble in a bit of independent rescue, I live in a very small community that doesn't think highly of animals so more often than not they are dumped aside and for the most part it's cats that suffer. Last summer two female cats were dumped off at a relatives farm. Normally he wouldn't mind, he has a colony of ferals that are spayed and neutered..but these cats were in various stages of pregnancy and he didn't want kittens. I took them in and the first mama birthed a litter of healthy kittens, a few weeks later her sister had six very small skinny kittens that were what sick from day one. Both moms had vet care from the day I brought them in and tested negative for diseases. The sickly litter died by six weeks of age, they were so very small even then that the vet was shocked they held on as long as the last baby did. When they passed they failed quickly, even with vet intervention they passed and by the time the last one went down hill we opted to euthanize rather than watch her suffer. The first litter all thrived and went on to new homes, both moms were spayed and also rehomed. The vet gave me a packet about fading kitten syndrome and explained this is what most likely took their lives because of poor nutrition while developing, premature birth, and the fact that no one thrived even when we stepped in to feed.
This past month a friend found a feral mom with babies on her property. One baby, the runt, was getting bombarded by his huge siblings so the vet seen him and gave him formula to begin bottle feeding. At three weeks of age he was so much smaller than his siblings, but he wanted to live and ate like a champ in my care. Yesterday, at five weeks of age, we had to put him down. He went down hill so fast, even with fluids and help from the vet he crashed. The vet had already seen his mama and his healthy siblings and made a note of how he didn't grow while in my care for the two weeks I had him. He didn't even gain weight, he got into your hand. His labs were fine, no anemia...no dehydration...no blockages or injuries...he just crashed. He assured me we did all we could to save his life, but I'm devastated. He carried the same look as the kittens we lost last year, their story eerily similar to his own and once again his death labeled as fading kitten.
My rescue friend freaked out, told me not to trust my vet because fading kitten syndrome is not popular and she swears it doesn't exist. She said its something I'm doing, something wrong with my home..she made me feel worse. I've bottle fed kittens, puppies, fed baby birds, a few animals for a wildlife rehab center, as well as newborn children. I've been seeing my vet since I was a child and had childhood pets, his office and doctors never steered me wrong.
So I come to you to ask if you have any info on how popular fading kitten syndrome is. Has anyone lost kittens to it? She swears an entire litter last year and one baby this year is too many...but none of my cats are ill and they've lived in my care for as long as 10 years...I tried to explain the mothers had no care, no food, and these babies were smaller than an adult hand even at six weeks of age. They had no disease that showed on lab work and mamas had been healthy at their own vet appointment. I can't stop thinking now that I did something wrong. I tried so hard, I'm so crushed.
 

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 I can't stop thinking now that I did something wrong. I tried so hard, I'm so crushed.
Nay, you didnt anything wrong in these cases. Such happens.  Probably some sort of genetic faults in cases you described (and premature in the litter-case).

Or look it this way. The nature knows the losses are heavy, if humans doesnt help. This is why cats are so fertile. 3-6 kittens, twice a year, just to get a new pair once a year...   Of course some will not make it, whatever we do.

There is of course the question of how much to fight in these here uphill fight cases.  We had seen here on this forum really desperate cases who did made it, tx to dedicated help from the rescuer.  But some others did lost the fight...

I had recently read someone tell her experience as rescuer, and also as assistant to sheep farmers.

See saw they do always help lambs who got orphans, or got wounded, but they usually dont care much about weak lambs - at very best just only the last help.  Cruelty?  Nay, she herself had experienced, the statistics for such weak runts is very bad, even if you try to help....

What a marvel you and your vet are. May I ask, is he giving enormous discounts, or it is you who generously pay from your own pocket?

Good luck!

  Welcome to our Forums!

ps.  Your ex friend has partly right.  The Fading is not always the end.

When the kittens begin to fade,  often what they really do is they get low blood sugar content.  The remedy is to give them dextrose or honey or white caro sirup on their gum....  Keep them warm, etc...

Second, whoever is often in rescuer position of weak kittens, does wise to learn to give them food and fluids by a tube directly into stomach.  Very effective, but also very dangerous and difficult, if you dont exactly know how to do it, and use proper gears.  That is why we usually even dont mention it to new bees.

The problem is, it seems many vets dont either know how to do it.... 

And sometimes they know, but dont want to show and demonstrate it.
 
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I'm so very desperate for advice. I dabble in a bit of independent rescue, I live in a very small community that doesn't think highly of animals so more often than not they are dumped aside and for the most part it's cats that suffer. Last summer two female cats were dumped off at a relatives farm. Normally he wouldn't mind, he has a colony of ferals that are spayed and neutered..but these cats were in various stages of pregnancy and he didn't want kittens. I took them in and the first mama birthed a litter of healthy kittens, a few weeks later her sister had six very small skinny kittens that were what sick from day one. Both moms had vet care from the day I brought them in and tested negative for diseases. The sickly litter died by six weeks of age, they were so very small even then that the vet was shocked they held on as long as the last baby did. When they passed they failed quickly, even with vet intervention they passed and by the time the last one went down hill we opted to euthanize rather than watch her suffer. The first litter all thrived and went on to new homes, both moms were spayed and also rehomed. The vet gave me a packet about fading kitten syndrome and explained this is what most likely took their lives because of poor nutrition while developing, premature birth, and the fact that no one thrived even when we stepped in to feed.
This past month a friend found a feral mom with babies on her property. One baby, the runt, was getting bombarded by his huge siblings so the vet seen him and gave him formula to begin bottle feeding. At three weeks of age he was so much smaller than his siblings, but he wanted to live and ate like a champ in my care. Yesterday, at five weeks of age, we had to put him down. He went down hill so fast, even with fluids and help from the vet he crashed. The vet had already seen his mama and his healthy siblings and made a note of how he didn't grow while in my care for the two weeks I had him. He didn't even gain weight, he got into your hand. His labs were fine, no anemia...no dehydration...no blockages or injuries...he just crashed. He assured me we did all we could to save his life, but I'm devastated. He carried the same look as the kittens we lost last year, their story eerily similar to his own and once again his death labeled as fading kitten.
My rescue friend freaked out, told me not to trust my vet because fading kitten syndrome is not popular and she swears it doesn't exist. She said its something I'm doing, something wrong with my home..she made me feel worse. I've bottle fed kittens, puppies, fed baby birds, a few animals for a wildlife rehab center, as well as newborn children. I've been seeing my vet since I was a child and had childhood pets, his office and doctors never steered me wrong.
So I come to you to ask if you have any info on how popular fading kitten syndrome is. Has anyone lost kittens to it? She swears an entire litter last year and one baby this year is too many...but none of my cats are ill and they've lived in my care for as long as 10 years...I tried to explain the mothers had no care, no food, and these babies were smaller than an adult hand even at six weeks of age. They had no disease that showed on lab work and mamas had been healthy at their own vet appointment. I can't stop thinking now that I did something wrong. I tried so hard, I'm so crushed.
Don't be silly.  Your vet sounds excellent and is telling you the truth.  Fading kitten syndrome is common (though as noted above, does not always have to be the end) and there really is nothing to be done about it sometimes.  As the commenter before me said, you did everything right in both cases.  Do not blame yourself at all.  Your rescue friend sounds pretty ignorant and has probably had the great pleasure of fostering healthy litters with their mom.  Those of us who have had unhealthy litters (I foster, A LOT) or had kittens without their mom, know how hard it truly is.  I've work with a humane society for many years as a foster and when kittens come without a mom, and are super young, and need to be bottle fed, not all of them survive and it doesn't matter who is helping them or what that person is doing.  Unhealthy litters are the same.  You've had some bad luck but rest assured you are NOT doing anything wrong and also that, if you keep on, there will be kittens you are able to save and that is the most rewarding thing in the world.

Bless you for all the work that you do.
 
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Thank you both so much for the info and uplifting words, you both truly made me feel so much better. I hope I can answer your questions, if I miss anything forgive me.
The litter we lost last year was costly with very little discount, but the singleton I was helping ended up being completely free of charge for the most part. I did pay for the appointment, but none of his care while he was there. They've done this before, one notable case was when they tried to save a cat that was poisoned that we took in. They are very good, small town and the one I adore is elderly and soon to retire...but I'd never second guess them.
I know they tried to tube Tiny, but he was so small it didn't go as planned and caused more harm than good. He didn't respond to the help with his sugar and after a few hours of struggling to help with him going downhill we opted for a humane end.
My friends unkind words hurt a lot. I know, or think, she meant well but I can't help but feel sad that she didn't at least tell me she was sorry.
 
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