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I haven't gone through this list for the guaranteed analysis, but I thought you might find it helpful if you haven't seen it. In this thread, http://www.thecatsite.com/t/239691/nutritionally-complete-assurances-for-our-pet-food , we were discussing pet food ingredients, AC mentioned this:

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Speaking of which, after gaining a better understanding of what really goes into pet foods, what can we buy to feed our kitties?

There is, course, the many raw options being explored on other currently active threads (here and here), and this is what I recommend. By law, the meats used to prepare these foods are exactly the same as those we purchase for our own families. Right from the get-go, then, these foods are fresher, more complete and healthier for our kitties.

What if you're not ready for raw?

Not all pet food manufacturers are big-time conglomerates focused only on the bottom line. There is at least one that uses USDA approved meat, I think, and many that avoid some of the most notorious ingredients.

So look for foods that don't contain (pulled from Pet Food Ingredients to Question):

Animal Fat (preserved with BHA/BHT) - Produced through the rendering process; the fat that rises to the top of the pot becomes Animal Fat.  FDA testing of pet food linked this ingredient to the discovery of the euthanizing drug pentobarbital (used to end the life of dogs, cats, and horses) in pet food.  Any animal including euthanized animals, road kill, diseased animals (per FDA associations) can be the source of this fat.

Canola Oil - A controversial ingredient not tested for safety with pets.

Carrageenan - A seaweed extract used as a thickener; linked to serious illness.

Ethoxyquin - A chemical preservative linked to serious illness. Often used to preserve fish meal pet food ingredients.

BHA/BHT - Chemical preservatives linked to serious illnesses.

TBHQ - A chemical preservative related to BHA. Studies have shown that prolonged use has links to cancer.

Corn, Soy, and Wheat - Allergens. Mycotoxins. The majority of grain products are genetically modified; recent science has linked GM corn to liver and kidney disease in animals. Not needed in a cat's diet!!!

Food Dyes - Linked to everything from tumors to hyperactivity.

All by-product meals (chicken by-product meal, turkey by-product meal, poultry by-product meal, meat by-products) - Could be sourced from healthy internal organs of slaughtered animals OR the from diseased tissues rejected as human grade.

Meat and bone meal - The rendered product from mammal tissues, including bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents…  FDA testing of pet food linked this ingredient to the discovery of the euthanizing drug pentobarbital (used to end the life of dogs, cats, and horses) in pet food. Any animal including euthanized animals, road kill, diseased animals (per FDA associations) can be the source of this ingredient.

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Maybe we can start pulling together a list of pet foods that don't contain these ingredients? Anybody have something in their cupboard right now that could start the list off?

AC

Just found a beautiful example of marketing over transparency that I thought I'd share.

The company NutriSource sells two products called "Chicken, Turkey, Lamb & Fish Kitten formula" and "Chicken, Turkey & Lamb Cat and Kitten formula", and here are their ingredients:

Chicken, Turkey, Lamb & Fish Kitten formula
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Turkey, Chicken Liver, Lamb, Ocean Fish, Brown Rice Flour, Dried Egg, Flaxseed Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Dried Kelp, Alfalfa Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Salt, Lecithin, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Ascorbic Acid, Choline Chloride, Betaine, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Niacin, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Ehtylenediamine Dhydriodide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Chicken, Turkey & Lamb Cat and Kitten formula
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Turkey, Chicken Liver, Lamb, Ocean Fish, Brown Rice Flour, Dried Egg, Flaxseed Oil, Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Dried Kelp, Alfalfa Meal, Calcium Sulfate, Salt, Lecithin, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Ascorbic Acid, Choline Chloride, Betaine, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Niacin, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Ehtylenediamine Dhydriodide, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Do you see the difference? No? That's because there is none... this is the same formula, one marketed to include the fish and one marketed without it. If you bought both of these cans thinking you were giving your kitties two different flavors, you would be wrong. *facepalm*

Caveat emptor, indeed!!!!  (By the way - this formula doesn't include any of the recommended against ingredients. It does, however - obviously - contain fish.)

AC

Found some more products that don't contain any of the offensive ingredients listed above. Unlike the first few products I listed (I forgot to watch for this), all of these foods consist of at least 95% DMB of the named meat protein.

Nature's Logic Pet FoodFirst Alert Recall Participant!***
Chicken Dinner Cat Food Canned
Rabbit Dinner Cat Food Canned
Raw!! (all raws contain single source proteins)
Rabbit Frozen Cat Food Raw
Chicken Frozen Cat Food Raw
Beef Frozen Cat Food Raw

Nature’s Variety
Instinct Chicken Meal Formula Cat Food Canned
Instinct Beef Meal Formula Cat Food Canned (single source protein)
Instinct Lamb Meal Formula Cat Food Canned (single source protein)
Instinct Duck Meal Formula Cat Food Canned
Instinct Rabbit Meal Formula Cat Food Canned
Instinct Venison Meal Formula Cat Food Canned

Weruva Pet Foods

Paw Lickin' Chicken Canned Cat Food
Grandma's Chicken Soup Canned Cat Food
Steak Frites Canned Cat Food

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And there you go. I've spent the whole day researching this topic; I'm sure there are more canned foods out there that meet these criteria, but this is my contribution.

Best regards!

AC

I have been looking too. :lol3: You are not alone in the search. Very tedious and I can't believe most of the big names, EVO, Core, Wellness all contain Carrageenan....
I found the Weruva products you listed above too.
Another one I found
Natural Balance Platefull grain free pouches:
Chicken & Giblets
Chicken & Chicken Liver
Turkey, Salmon & Chicken
Halo Spots Stew varieties
I also found the Instinct canned foods as well.
Will keep looking. yes.... Time consuming at best... But worth it :nod:
:dk: Thought it might help, just in case you hadn't seen it.
 

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BTW, quick thought. I don't know how much you spend on canned food per day. But when I analyzed that in comparison to commercial raw, I found the "per pound" number (given how much raw I would have to feed my cats vs. how much canned I was feeding them and how much that cost daily) for commercial raw left me with a LOT of options for feeding. Ordering online is VERY expensive with shipping, and in some instances almost doubles the cost. But if you can find a local (or somewhat local LOL) pet store that sells raw that can ORDER for you, you may find that it's cheaper to feed raw. Once we're over the transition, it will be cheaper for us. :nod: And our VERY limited freezer space is an issue... but given the store is stocking the food(s) for us, we're basically using his freezer space and picking up what we need when we need it. I'm able to keep close to a week of food on hand.

I put together a spreadsheet (that AC started) with an overview of most of the commercially available raw foods - very detailed. If you want to peruse the options and ingredients (and guaranteed analysis), it's available here: http://catcentric.org/raw-feeding/ Scroll down to special features, and you'll find it.

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Thank you Laurie. I have looked at those foods. Spinach is all of them though. And that Montmorillonite Clay in the Natures Variety and Natures Logic. I've dithered over the nature's logic and nature's variety for months now. They just seem so over priced. But then, the prices of the other foods are catching up pretty quickly.

The Natures Variety and Natures Logic are high in calories, so I would have to feed less, which evens the price out a little. But it would not make Jennie happy. I do already feed Weruva in rotation, but Jennie is the only one who will eat it and it is so low in calories that, again, the price, relatively speaking, is astronomical.

I also feed Castor&Pollux chicken, which doesn't have the undesirables, except spinach.

I also feed the Nature's Balance platefuls, but only as snacks. They too contain spinach, and are low in calories, and so loaded with carrots and potatoes I really feel gypped every time I open a pouch. By the time I pick out all the potatoes and carrots there isn't much left :lol3:

Maybe once I get the BG used up I'll move over to NV and Nature's logic for that part of the rotation instead. The BG has been very inconsistent, each batch smells and looks different from the last, and that drives me crazy.

Then the only food the will be eating with carrageenan would be the By Nature. But I feel I need to feed SOME foods without spinach. And that's what the Before Grain does not have.

There are no pet stores where I live, I have no source for commercial raw and I will not make home made raw. While I find the raw transition threads inspiring, it just is not happening here, at this time.

Thank you for all your help.

Update on Mazy in the next post. :)
 
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Mazy is doing great on her canned diet now. Only one regurgitation in the last 9 days. And that was my fault, I urged her to eat more than she wanted. I keep a small dish of canned food at the ready, just a spoonful, to give her when I first get up, and when I first get home from work. I try to keep her from going longer than 8 or 8 1/2 hours without food, but sometimes it can't be helped. But I slip her that little snack, and then wait a while before feeding meals, and that is working.

Urine pH varying between 6.5 and 6.75 most of the time. This evening it was low, 6.0. That was after an 8 hour fast, and she hadn't peed in all that time either. She came down and peed while I was scooping the boxes (having just gotten home) and the pee was larger than usual for her, and the pH was 6.0. I know she hadn't peed all the time I was gone, not only by the size of it, but because there were only two pees in the boxes, from me being gone all day.

And I knew, even before Mazy peed that they were Jennie's and Queen Eva's, because of the sizes (Jennie's large, Queen Eva's small) and the locations (corners or edges of the boxes, Mazy pees in the middle except when she pees in the tall sided box and stands up to pee)

She gets a pate variety in the morning, it was Before Grain but the BG seems to raise her pH more than the By Nature, so I am gradually shifting her from the BG to the By Nature. Her supper meals are the Castor&Pollux chicken and vegetables. Both brands have only the meat and the vitamin&mineral supplements, none of those stupid fruits and vegetables. (that's my other complaint about the Nature's Logic and Nature's variety)

The Castor&Pollux does have fruits and vegetables, and the spinach, but it seems to balance her out.

Once in a while I give her some Natural Balance or Wellness, just to keep things mixed up. She won't eat the Weruva chicken flavors, but I've got the Steak Frites coming, maybe she'll like that.

She's still getting her hair ball remedy every 2 1/2 to 3 days, but I have not had to give her the mineral oil for constipation since taking her off the c/d kibble.
 
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Yeah, it's so annoying to see spinach everywhere. :rolleyes: You see it in a lot of the commercial raw foods too. I don't get it at all.

And I know exactly what you mean about feeling like you're wasting your money once you've picked out all the carrots and peas and/or potatoes! :lol3: I tried Spot's stew, and there was MAYBE a half a can left.

OH - I don't know much about that montmorillionite clay. It's usually listed as something that affects texture/consistency, but it's also used as a source of calcium.

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That is just GREAT news about Mazy! I'm so pleased you've got the timing down, and the snack is helping too. :hugs: :rub: :clap: :clap:

BTW - my theory on the batch consistency is lack of additives. :dk:
 
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OH - I don't know much about that montmorillionite clay. It's usually listed as something that affects texture/consistency, but it's also used as a source of calcium.
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Apparently the Montmorillonite Clay has "healing" properties, so why is it in a food for healthy cats? If I remember what I read, the clay has "binding" properties, meaning it binds to toxins, to remove them from the body.

And why oh WHY do these "premium" foods have to load up on the fruits and vegetables? It's infuriating.

Yeah, it's so annoying to see spinach everywhere. :rolleyes: You see it in a lot of the commercial raw foods too. I don't get it at all.
I had one pet food brand tell me :

Spinach contains an appreciable amount of vitamins, minerals and antioxidant carotenoids, especially lutein that has been shown to be supportive of the immune function in cats. For this reason, it has been included as an ingredient in one of our formulas.

BTW - my theory on the batch consistency is lack of additives
Laurie, can you explain what you mean here?
 

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BTW - my theory on the batch consistency is lack of additives
Laurie, can you explain what you mean here?
It's just speculation, but because its not produced from highly processed ingredients, you get batch inconsistencies. This is the list of ingredients in the canned chicken before the supplements: Chicken, Chicken Broth, Dried Egg ( http://www.merrickpetcare.com/store/detail.php?c=114&s=20479 )
I would imagine you get a natural variation in color and consistency depending upon the chicken (or whatever protein base) in the food. :dk:
 
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It's just speculation, but because its not produced from highly processed ingredients, you get batch inconsistencies. This is the list of ingredients in the canned chicken before the supplements: Chicken, Chicken Broth, Dried Egg ( http://www.merrickpetcare.com/store/detail.php?c=114&s=20479 )
I would imagine you get a natural variation in color and consistency depending upon the chicken (or whatever protein base) in the food. :dk:
Oh yes, that does make sense, thanks! Now if only they would drop the carrageenan. However when questioned about it, the reply I got was on the defensive side. :(
 
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otto, I am not sure if you are familiar with this brand..... but it is highly regarded on the CRF community - for both palatability and efficacy..... The ingredients.... at least 2 are questionable - but, C/D doesn't have the best either. Here you go: Hi-Tor


Product Description
The Hi-Tor Neo Diet is specifically formulated for cats requiring a low protein, restricted phosphorus diet to assist in management of renal disease. This formula is highly palatable in order to ensure adequate consumption and caloric intake.

Sufficient Water for Processing, Meat By-Products, Beef, Chicken, Pork Liver, Ocean Fish, Rice Flour, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Potassium Citrate, Brewers Dried Yeast, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A, B12, D3 Supplements, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Ferrous, Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Choline Chloride, Vegetable Oil,
 

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I also found Fromm might be a brand that is low in phosphorus.    Although it doesn't say on its website, but a shop sales said it is.  It's carrageenan free.
 
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Mazy has been off the Hills Prescription c/d kibble for 3 months.

Mazy is almost 8 years old. She had eaten the Hills Prescription c/d kibble for almost 6 years, because she was forming struvite crystals in her urine, which subsequently would lead to pain and urinary tract infections. I believe in canned only diets, but Mazy wouldn't eat the Hills canned. Though it killed me to feed her this food, it seemed to be the only thing that kept her bladder and urinary tract healthy. But at what cost.

She began having problems with constipation and excessive regurgitation about a year ago, and the problem got worse after Hills changed the shape of the kibble, and I knew I was going to have to do something. Her body was so messed up on that food it took a long time and a lot of work to find a food that didn't give her trouble. I did discover that she cannot tolerate carrageenan, which made it even more of a challenge. (Queen Eva can't tolerate carrageenan either)

She also has been unable to handle a rotation diet, like my other cats eat.

Once I settled on a food, it also took time to find the right quantity to keep her at a proper weight.

One of Mazy's problems was an inability to go more than 8 or 9 hours without food, because her tummy would fill up with acid, causing her to regurgitate anything put in it. To counteract this, she was getting pepcid every morning, before her first meal. The pepcid was doing the job, but it was causing constipation, and of course I was worrying about her vitamin B-12 (pepcid depletes vitamin B-12)

To counteract the constipation (which had started on the c/d kibble, but got worse, even on the canned diet, with the pepcid) I had to start giving her mineral oil every other day.

For a while Mazy was still getting the hair ball remedies, but these seemed to upset her system too, and cause even more regurgitation.Jennie was doing so well on the pumpkin for both hairballs and constipation, I decided to try Mazy on pumpkin again. (she refused it the first time I tried) I started with tiny amounts to help her get used to the taste. She now gets 1 tablespoon of pumpkin a day, split between three of her six meals.

So now she was on one food, pepcid in the morning, pumpkin daily, mineral oil every other day and a probiotic with her last meal of the day.

I raised her eating surface from 3 inches to 6 inches



After two weeks of no regurgitation at all, I gradually stopped the pepcid. Once she was completely off the pepcid I gradually stopped the mineral oil. For a few weeks she still seemed to need a pepcid every four or five days, and then two days after a pepcid she needed the mineral oil. Even that has stopped now. No pepcid, no mineral oil, no regurgitation :banana1:

Now:

Mazy is now eating By Nature Organic Turkey&chicken almost exclusively. This food, if I can trust the numbers sent to me by the manufacturer, has a phosphorous and magnesium percentage almost on par with the Hills Prescription c/d multicare kibble. (comparison done on a dry matter basis)

She is fed six servings a day, 1/8 can a serving (the cans are 6 ounces) for a total of 4.75 ounces a day. This food does not contain grains, fruits or vegetables, or carrageenan. It does have mendadione bisulfate, but it is the last ingredient listed, so, while I hate that she is getting that synthetic vitamin, I have had to make my peace with it.

Only in the past few weeks have I attempted a variation, one of her meals of the By Nature is now being substituted with Castor&Pollux chicken and veggie casserole. While the CP does contain oat flour and fruits and veggies, including spinach, it does not contain carrageenan or menadione bisulfate product and it does not raise her urine pH, and she loves it. So I am happy to add it in as one of her six servings a day.

So to sum up:

Mazy is eating 4.75 ounces of canned a day, 4 ounces are By Nature organic turkey&chicken, .75 ounces are Castor&Pollux chicken and veggie casserole. No carrageenan.

Mazy takes 1 tablespoon of pumpkin split between her second, third and fifth meal of the day.

She gets cosequin in her fifth meal.

She takes Probviable DC in her last meal of the day.

She has a nice normal poop every 24-36 hours.

She pees a nice amount 3-4 times a day and her urine pH ranges between 6 - 6.75, but a week's readings averaged out always come out to 6.5.

She does not drink any water, nor do I add any to her food. I have a suspicion that my heavy mineral well water played a large part in her original struvite crystal forming problems. (none of my cats drink any water, though I freshen the bowl twice a day, like I have always done. Since they get sufficient moisture from their canned food, I do not worry about this)

Her coat is so lovely and soft and shiny, and the shedding problem has been reduced to no problem at all. Her eyes are bright and her energy level has tripled. She has even started doing the side-ways play with me dance that I used to see her do as a kitten! She is more cuddly than I have EVER seen her, and her purr has gotten louder and has developed a trill that it never had before.

She still snores.:lol3:















I also found Fromm might be a brand that is low in phosphorus.    Although it doesn't say on its website, but a shop sales said it is.  It's carrageenan free.
Thanks. Fromm's canned foods all contain fish :(
 
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Yey Excellent Report Gail!! :woohoo: Awesome to see that she settled for one food, potentially two, and is doing so well!! :woohoo:
This has been a loooooong road....... Wow :woo: Your perseverance is just amazing, you are just an outstanding momma!
So Happy for you and Mazy :heart3:
Keep snoring little one :lol3::clap::clap::clap:
 
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Thanks Carolina. :hugs: It's been a long road, but totally worth it. :heart3:

I've just been reading over the thread and realized there were more responses that I don't remember seeing. I want to thank everyone for their food suggestions, though most of them contain fish, which is something I will not feed my cats, ever, especially a cat who has urinary tract problems. Incidentally I did try the Natures Variety for Mazy and it caused a urine pH spike of 7.5 so she never got any of that again!


Otto, I have a cat who had struvite crystals.  He's fine (two and 1/2 years and counting - the treatment was prescribed C/D).  What does your vet say about Mazy regurgitating the C/D kibble?  If I understand correctly, that's the main physical reason you're transitioning her to other foods?  And that you're not happy with the ingredients is the other reason?  I'm just wondering what has been done about the causes of the regurgitation - knowing how you love your cats, I'm know you and your vet have been working on that angle as well.  Assuming you can figure out what's causing the regurgitation (and I'm assuming it's not the usual suspect - that's she's eating C/D too fast because that's the only thing she likes), would you keep her on dry C/D?

To be clear, my boy is on C/D - he's not a big wet food liker (never was, ever since I adopted him as a 3-4 year old stray).  He eats a bit of the wet C/D, but his main food is the dry C/D kibble.  He appears to be healthy and happy - and I have senior panels done every six months.  My girl is also on the C/D wet and dry.  I'm in the camp that if the cats are doing well on the food the vet recommended for crystals, I'm not going to mess around and stress both myself and my cats.  My little girl is a nibbler all day long (and in the middle of the night), and I work outside the home 12 hours a day, five days a week - I'm not home to give her many tiny meals per day. I'm the contrarian here - I thank God daily that Hills (and the other manufacturers) kept working to find a treatment for struvite crystals, and produce it both wet and dry.  And I don't care if C/D is made from old car tires, or if every person on the internet rails against it - it's working for my boy so far.

I'm not particularly worried that cats in the wild wouldn't be eating C/D kibble - or this, that, or whatever ingredient....cats in the wild tend to die by, what, the age of three if they're lucky to live that long?  Hardly have time to develop dietary issues.  What concerns me is the here and now of my cat - who's currently running around the front room, tail up and asking me to play. 

I sincerely hope you find an answer for Mazey - I am still anxious waiting for the results of Dante's urine tests every six months, and do the happy pee ball dance every day.
I did want to respond directly to you on this, if you are still following this thread. For many years I felt the same way about Mazy and the c/d as you feel about Dante. She was doing "fine" on it, and it seemed the only way to control the formation of struvite. However I told myself if ever there came a time whey Mazy was no longer "fine" on the c/d, I would move mountains to get her off it.

And that time came, she was no longer doing "fine" on the c/d and, in fact, it messed her up so bad I had moments wondering if she would ever recover and be able to live without pepcid and mineral oil every day of her life.

Possibly, if she had eaten the canned c/d she might not have ever gotten to that point, because the canned is, at least, canned. But she wouldn't eat it and all that corn and lack of moisture was just making her sicker and sicker.
 
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:wow: :wow: :wow: GAIL - amazing news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Aw this made my day! HOW EXCITING for you and Mazy! I LOVE the trill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aw, clearly she feels GREAT! I agree with Carolina - your perseverance is amazing! OUTSTANDING JOB, meowmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hugs: :hugs: :D
 

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Wonderful job you did finding just the right mixture and weaning her off of both the pepcid and mineral oil.  (Oh!  AND the c/d
!!!!!   WAY TO GO! 
 

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Have you tried Wysong's canned cat food? They have a variety of products to choose from. Their Chicken Au Jus only has .2% phosphorous.
Their website is www.wysong.net I would recommend ordering through Mr. Chewy at www.mrchewy.com The shipping charge is significantly cheaper than ordering directly through Wysong.
Good luck!
 
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Hi
Have you tried Wysong's canned cat food? Their Chicken Au Jus only has .2% phosphorous DMA.
Thank you for your reply! Wysong Au Jus is not a complete diet, it is for supplementary feeding only, which would explain the .2 % which is very low for regular feeding. Mazy needs to stay at no higher than .8 % but would be deficient at .2 %.

However, I'd like to know where you obtained the info on the phosphurous percentages, as it is not listed on the website, thanks. :)

Perhaps I could use it, just as a snack for her now and then, to give her a change, but I would like to work out the numbers for myself first.
 
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Thank you for your reply! Wysong Au Jus is not a complete diet, it is for supplementary feeding only, which would explain the .2 % which is very low for regular feeding. Mazy needs to stay at no higher than .8 % but would be deficient at .2 %.
However, I'd like to know where you obtained the info on the phosphurous percentages, as it is not listed on the website, thanks. :)
Perhaps I could use it, just as a snack for her now and then, to give her a change, but I would like to work out the numbers for myself first.
It can be supplemented with Call of the Wild, however I do not know the phosphorous % after the supplementation..... http://www.wysong.net/products/cotw-dog-cat-supplement.php
 

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I emailed their customer service and requested the info. They in turn sent me a link that provides the nutritional content of all of their food. Do you have an email I can send it to? Quite a bit of their foods are at the level you are looking for. I use the Geriatrx canned. Bought the dry also but they don't like it. For dry I use Innova Prime.
 
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