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post #31 of 41
2/8/12 at 2:01pm

Just so you know, I have tried the raw diet many times... My cats do not take it.  And I do know quite a few that have fed raw and their cats got sick and were told to not feed them raw anymore by a vet.  I do commend anyone for doing the best by their babies.  And even helping others do the same.  But, it's not the only way.  And if you can't see that well..  Some people cannot agree to disagree. 

post #32 of 41
2/8/12 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by P3 and The King View Post

Just so you know, I have tried the raw diet many times... My cats do not take it.  And I do know quite a few that have fed raw and their cats got sick and were told to not feed them raw anymore by a vet.  I do commend anyone for doing the best by their babies.  And even helping others do the same.  But, it's not the only way.  And if you can't see that well..  Some people cannot agree to disagree. 


Yeah, so????

 

What is your point? You seem to be criticizing people in this forum for some reason I can't understand. You are the one who started this discussion apparently for no reason except to criticize our decision to feed raw. 

 

If you don't want to feed raw, don't. No one is trying to force you to and no one in this forum cares whether you approve of our feeding raw or not.

 

post #33 of 41
2/8/12 at 3:47pm

I'm majorly confused, YOU came into the raw forum talking down the diet and how unsafe it is and how you are glad your cats don't eat it, but we are bashing you somehow?  I could care less what you feed your cats, they are your cats, feed them how you like.  Nobody forced you to come in this forum, nobody is forcing you to feed raw and nobody "bashed" or jumped all over you.  We responded, because it's a forum and that's how forums work.  I'm sorry if other forums pushed raw on you but why would you bring someone elses battle here?

post #34 of 41
2/8/12 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by P3 and The King View Post

I've been on other cat forums that would preach and preach about raw and when anyone would say "Well my vet said not to feed my cat this because it makes them sick" or "They won't eat it"... The people would get all upset and offended and say things like "Your vet is an idiot!  It's what they were made to eat and what they want and you must not be doing it right!"  I am just saying- calm down we all do the best we can by our cats and if someone isn't like you and doesn't feed them raw, it doesn't make them wrong, either...    

You ARE in the raw-feeding forum of the site, where those of us feeding raw shouldn't have to defend our decision. Yet you're intentionally provoking response. The point is we're not "wrong" for our decision either.

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Originally Posted by P3 and The King View Post


What are you talking about?  That is not what I said at all!  I didn't say cats don't eat meat... I said that some will NOT eat raw meat.  Cooked meat is still meat.  I've read all the articles.  No need to throw those in my face.  I know both sides.  You are just ranting about something I didn't even say.  I was saying that RAW meat does not work for some... But it's no reason to get all offended because they don't agree with your point of view. 

Who's offended? I am so missing why you're so upset. We have no way of knowing you "know both sides." And she's hardly "throwing" anything "in your face." She's providing links to further information.

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Originally Posted by P3 and The King View Post

To that, I leave you guys with your crazed babble and bashing of those who don't feed RAW because of health reasons or their cats dislike it. 

If you think we're about crazed babble, I'm not sure why you're posting in this forum. And no one's bashing - defending, maybe, but hardly bashing.

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Originally Posted by mschauer View Post

Yeah, so????

What is your point? You seem to be criticizing people in this forum for some reason I can't understand. You are the one who started this discussion apparently for no reason except to criticize our decision to feed raw. 

If you don't want to feed raw, don't. No one is trying to force you to and no one in this forum cares whether you approve of our feeding raw or not.

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Originally Posted by GoingPostal View Post

I'm majorly confused, YOU came into the raw forum talking down the diet and how unsafe it is and how you are glad your cats don't eat it, but we are bashing you somehow?  I could care less what you feed your cats, they are your cats, feed them how you like.  Nobody forced you to come in this forum, nobody is forcing you to feed raw and nobody "bashed" or jumped all over you.  We responded, because it's a forum and that's how forums work.  I'm sorry if other forums pushed raw on you but why would you bring someone elses battle here?


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post #35 of 41
2/8/12 at 8:08pm

Whatever.smashfreak.gif  I didn't start bashing anyone.  The thread is don't feed raw.  I put my opinion on here and it got completely twisted by someone else who turned it into things I didn't even say.  I am not upset.  It wasn't even between any of you.  Just I and the other person who twisted it.  Just forget it.  Go back to my first post and really read it.  I didn't bash anyone.  I was the one who was bashed. 

 

You say you shouldn't have to defend your decision to feed raw... I never said you did.  I said that no one should have to defend their position either way.  You all need to learn to really read what someone is saying and not just read what you think is there.  Please really read my first post.  It was not offensive to anyone.  I will not be responding to anymore uninformed and hateful posts on this matter. 

 

Oh and I am not the author.  I was just responding to a heated discussion and trying to diffuse the situation.

post #36 of 41
2/8/12 at 8:16pm
The first four posts of the thread, from November:
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Originally Posted by Bianco Maple View Post

Till the day before I fed my cat raw veal minced double with all fat removed- Fed it Raw chopped chicken liver-He loved it-Then when we took him to the vet as he was not pooping ( fur ball problem) I mentioned it to the vet He said 'NO do  not feed it anything raw' and below were his comments

He said-- Yes in the wild animals do eat things raw, but then the big cats they kill and eat it immediately- 
The ones who scavange on this raw meat their life spans are limited
bacteria and toxology or somethiing to that effect he said, is very likely to happen and his blood can get contaminated
Cook it even for 5 minutes No more raw feeding for a indoor domestic cat with pedigree
Guys
I am just passing this info down to you all- thanks for reading
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Originally Posted by mschauer View Post

Thank you for your concern but this kind of information from a vet is nothing new to most raw feeders. A little research shows there is another side to the story, one that supports raw feeding, that we find more convincing.

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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post

Raw is actually the best diet, but, it does take research and dedication.
It isn't for everyone, and it isn't simply a matter of giving them a bowl of meat.

Not surprising your vet would tell you these things though, as your average vet really doesn't get much training in nutrition beyond basics, generally sponsored by a pet food company.

For the record, I do not feed raw except as a once a week treat.
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Originally Posted by Bianco Maple View Post

Thanks for the feed back- Presently I am in a foreign country! and as my Bianco was having this problem, I just thought maybe I was not doing what was right by him as he's a healthy young cat! and if it was the raw chicken liver that also clogged him up etc I was not sure! Personally I also think the way you guys do, but therecould be a  lot of contamination in the stuff U get here! that I felt its best to avoid it if I can, till I am back home where I can be SURE of the quality of meat etc we get here
Thanks anyways I sure appreciate your input.

A three month old conversation. Hardly heated.

Someone accidentally bumped the thread with ideas for the OP in addressing the hairball issue.

The OP passed along information from her vet. Raw feeders responded. dontknow.gif
post #37 of 41
2/8/12 at 8:19pm
And these rules were put in place for the forum (they didn't exist when the OP started the thread) : http://www.thecatsite.com/t/238236/raw-meat-why-you-should-not-feed-them-raw-stuff/30
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Originally Posted by Anne View Post

TCS neither condemns nor recommends raw feeding of cats. We feel this is a choice for each cat owner to make regarding his or her cats. If you're considering switching to raw, please carefully research the topic, to see if raw is suitable for your cats' needs and for your own lifestyle. As with any change in diet, it's always advisable to consult your veterinarian, especially when elderly or sick cats are concerned. As always on the forums, and as per our rules - no online advice can replace veterinary care.

We recognize that this topic may be deemed as controversial, and in light of that, please carefully read the rules before posting.

1. While we welcome questions about the pros and cons of raw feeding, please do not start threads with posts that are nothing but mission statements (either pro or con, whether direct or indirect in the form of links). These do not belong in this forum and may be deleted. If you see such a post, please hit the report button right away.

2. Many of the members posting here feed raw. Please be respectful of their choice. If you're sure you don't want to feed raw, this is may not be the forum for you. Again, questions are welcome and you don't have to be sure of feeding raw, but we wouldn't want to see threads hijacked  by people out on a crusade and turned into the same debate over and over again.

3. Yes, it is a thin line between legitimate questions and pointless arguing, one that the site team will have to judge on whether or not it's been crossed. Help us do so by reporting problem posts and WITHOUT replying to them on the board. Please read our forum rules to learn more about the way we deal with problem posts.

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post #38 of 41
2/8/12 at 8:20pm
And I guess we should have just reported your post and not replied.
post #39 of 41
2/8/12 at 8:37pm

Go ahead.  I reported you.  I didn't see the post date.  I also didn't break any rules.  The site is not for or against raw diet and I didn't offend anyone.  I didn't attack anyone either. 

post #40 of 41
2/8/12 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by P3 and The King View Post

Whatever.smashfreak.gif   I didn't start bashing anyone.  The thread is don't feed raw.  I put my opinion on here and it got completely twisted by someone else who turned it into things I didn't even say.  I am not upset.  It wasn't even between any of you.  Just I and the other person who twisted it.  Just forget it.  Go back to my first post and really read it.  I didn't bash anyone.  I was the one who was bashed. 

You say you shouldn't have to defend your decision to feed raw... I never said you did.  I said that no one should have to defend their position either way.  You all need to learn to really read what someone is saying and not just read what you think is there.  Please really read my first post.  It was not offensive to anyone.  I will not be responding to anymore uninformed and hateful posts on this matter. 

Oh and I am not the author.  I was just responding to a heated discussion and trying to diffuse the situation.

Ok, stop with this nonsense! I really hope you are not implying that I bashed you? If you are how? Where? Also, care to say how did I ever Twisted things here?
What is going on here?
You were offensive to everyone here. You bashed raw feeders as a whole on your first post, that came out of the blue - there was NO situation to be diffused whatsoever - Bianco was here to thank everyone and to post a follow up.... Your post attacked raw feeders, what they stand for, and their attitudes in general - completely out of the blue - totally uncalled for; and after that you attacked me directly. Do you not see that?
You are trying to tell me that this is not offensive?
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What are you talking about? That is not what I said at all! I didn't say cats don't eat meat... I said that some will NOT eat raw meat. Cooked meat is still meat. I've read all the articles. No need to throw those in my face. I know both sides. You are just ranting about something I didn't even say. I was saying that RAW meat does not work for some... But it's no reason to get all offended because they don't agree with your point of view. Chill out, OK. You are going off in an entirely different direction. To that, I leave you guys with your crazed babble and bashing of those who don't feed RAW because of health reasons or their cats dislike it.
Right rolleyes.gif
First of all - LEARN that when we raw feeders ay MEAT, we mean RAW meat. I will not waste my precious time making you understand that I was giving you information, and not TWISTING things as you say. doh3.gif I was not going in any other direction........ sorry I assumed that anyone would get that doh3.gif Such a basic concept doh3.gif
Edited by Carolina - 2/8/12 at 11:16pm
post #41 of 41
2/8/12 at 11:38pm

Folks, I am closing this thread for now.

 

While this may not be the place to argue about feeding raw, yes or no, we did very specifically ask those who have a problem with any post to report it and NOT reply to the thread. Once you turn this into an ongoing argument, you're making a bigger problem of this for the team to handle.

 

I am pasting these two rules from the forum rules again - 

 

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2. Many of the members posting here feed raw. Please be respectful of their choice. If you're sure you don't want to feed raw, this is may not be the forum for you. Again, questions are welcome and you don't have to be sure of feeding raw, but we wouldn't want to see threads hijacked  by people out on a crusade and turned into the same debate over and over again.

 

3. Yes, it is a thin line between legitimate questions and pointless arguing, one that the site team will have to judge on whether or not it's been crossed. Help us do so by reporting problem posts and WITHOUT replying to them on the board. Please read our forum rules to learn more about the way we deal with problem posts.

 

 

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