what type of food should i feed my lil kitty?

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

I just want to throw out an opinion from someone who is NOT paid to advertise Nutro...

Personally I feel it's toxic waste and wouldn't feed it to my worst enemies pet. I wouldn't feed it to a starving stray on the street even. While my experience isn't their cat food, Nutro nearly killed my dog. I put her on the food and she became extremely lethargic, she started having explosive bloody diarrhea and vomiting up blood. Quite a bit of $$$ later, come to find out it was the food making her sick. After speaking with other pet owners I discovered it was happening with a LOT of animals. If you google "Nutro reviews" you'll see that this food is responsible for killing HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of pets. It's caused many cases of kidney and liver damage/failure. I would NOT feed their food.

JME. Never again.

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My sister's large breed dogs are on Nutro and one is fine (a bit overweight cuz he's a lazy lab and has been on other brands too and is very food motivated) and the other extremely heatlhy. The Boxer in fact is strong as an ox and can jump higher than you'd believe and is a serious marathon runner with a very muscular lean body.

The death of animals I believe affected multiple different brands and was a widespread recall, and not an issue inherent to the formula.

For my cats, they are doing well on the Nutro Complete Care wet food and it looks like decent ingredients IMO, much better than Purina and a lot of the other poop under $1 a can anyhow. I feed my cats a plethora of wet food though, but I can definitely say that they have well formed poops, are energetic, bright eyes, clean teeth, and have shiny soft coats.

Originally Posted by sarahp

On that website, every pet food had a list of complaints - people only go onto those sorts of websites when they have something to complain about.

Maybe some people have had bad experiences with Nutro, but a lot of people do consider them a good food.

You have to decide what works best for you, and maybe just agree to disagree on some points.

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Nope, Evo, Merrick, and By Nature were not on there. Nice try though. ^^

Those people who consider it a good food either don't know about all the horrible things that have been in their food or have been very lucky to not run into a bad batch. That is all.

Originally Posted by followedbydolls

It works for pets and is in my rotation and unless a recall is launched for the products i will continue to.

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You do know that numerous recalls have been put out for Nutro, right? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...q=nutro+recall
In fact, here's this too http://petfoodtalk.com/catfoodreviews/nutro-max/

Originally Posted by Minka

Nope, Evo, Merrick, and By Nature were not on there. Nice try though. ^^

Those people who consider it a good food either don't know about all the horrible things that have been in their food or have been very lucky to not run into a bad batch. That is all.


You do know that numerous recalls have been put out for Nutro, right? http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...q=nutro+recall
In fact, here's this too http://petfoodtalk.com/catfoodreviews/nutro-max/

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Those recalls have not been "put out" for Nutro. Those recalls were voluntary. You can Google just about any pet food company as you have, and get a list of voluntary or involuntary recalls. Petfoodtalk provides a link to the FDA site, http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm2005683.htm if you want information on recalls within the last 60 days. You can also search for recalls on any brand on the FDA site. Since Nutro has been around for 85 years, is endorsed by Waltham and makes all of their own food, I consider it a good food along with countless others. If I did not think it was one of the industries best, I would not be working for them. Nutro has taken responsibility for all of it's ingredients and manufacturing. The food is tested 600 times before hitting the shelves.

I have been using Nutro since I was a child. I have continued to use it into adulthood. All of my animals have thrived on Nutro.

Some of these new brands don't make their own food and don't have the resources to compete in the current market. I'm guessing many of them will not be around a couple of years from now. If they are, they will be hard to find in most stores because the stores will not give up shelf space to a product that does not sell well. Does not mean it's a bad food but if they can't compete, they won't be around. Either that or they will make their P&L statement profitable so they can sell out to another huge conglomerate.

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

I just want to throw out an opinion from someone who is NOT paid to advertise Nutro...

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Just for the record Ke$ha, I am not "paid to advertise" Nutro.

Originally Posted by NutroMike

Just for the record Ke$ha, I am not "paid to advertise" Nutro.

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You may not be paid to advertise for them, but you are Their nutritionist.
I respect you and your opinions because you seem like an informed person, but I also know you are going to be biased because you work for Nutro.

My problem with Nutro is the amount of upset it has caused pet owners whose pets have either gotten sick or died on their food. You may say that other brands have just as much upset, but try looking up Evo or Before Grain (and one other company I can't think of now) and you will find Maybe one or two complaints, not pages and pages.

I agree with NutroMike about the ingredients. Above all, avoid anything with menadione, a synthetic form of Vitamin K that has been banned by the FDA in human supplements because of its toxicity. (In spite of Nutro's claim of "all natural.") Google the word "menadione" and see if you find anything favorable about this ingredient. Also avoid anything with corn gluten meal. This is the protein part of the corn, a cheap by-product of the corn starch and corn syrup industry. It is used by the lower quality foods to boost the protein percentage with cheap hard to digest plant protein. Here's a quote from Nutro's own website advertising their new grain free dog food: "Completely gluten free – the grain component thatâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s hardest to digest. They also claim, on another page on their website "Corn Gluten Meal: Excellent source of protein that is highly digestible." Which do you believe???? Unless you are sure that your cat is not allergic to corn, wheat and soy, I would avoid those three, the most common food allergens (and coincidentally the cheapest commodities on the planet). One of the most important ingredients that many people don't even consider is the Omega 3 fatty acids. Even the lower quality foods add enough Omega 6 which is cheap, but very few add enough Omega 3 to balance the Omega 6 and this balance is crucial. The balance should be between 2 and 5 to 1 (Omega 6 to Omega 3) to be effective. Oops, looks like I just described Nutro Max.

Originally Posted by NutroMike

Those recalls have not been "put out" for Nutro. Those recalls were voluntary. You can Google just about any pet food company as you have, and get a list of voluntary or involuntary recalls. Petfoodtalk provides a link to the FDA site, http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm2005683.htm if you want information on recalls within the last 60 days. You can also search for recalls on any brand on the FDA site. Since Nutro has been around for 85 years, is endorsed by Waltham and makes all of their own food, I consider it a good food along with countless others. If I did not think it was one of the industries best, I would not be working for them. Nutro has taken responsibility for all of it's ingredients and manufacturing. The food is tested 600 times before hitting the shelves.

I have been using Nutro since I was a child. I have continued to use it into adulthood. All of my animals have thrived on Nutro.

Some of these new brands don't make their own food and don't have the resources to compete in the current market. I'm guessing many of them will not be around a couple of years from now. If they are, they will be hard to find in most stores because the stores will not give up shelf space to a product that does not sell well. Does not mean it's a bad food but if they can't compete, they won't be around. Either that or they will make their P&L statement profitable so they can sell out to another huge conglomerate.

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Just noticed this was in reply to me. xD

Not all recalls by Nutro were voluntary. The widely known 2007 recalls were not because of a vitamin deficiency or something non-life threatening. They were a big wake-up call to many pet owners that even companies that they trusted make mistakes in the formulating and processing of their brands.

Just curious, what is their testing procedure? If it's one meal per animal, that's not going to be enough to make problems shown.

By saying that you have used it since childhood, that is again showing that you are biased simply based on that you have been raised being told it is good, and then moved into the business during adulthood. Not that you researched the company first before you went into it. When you are a child, you don't have the ability to know right from wrong and as an adult, it's hard to break away from what you were taught as a child.

Why do you say that these new brands won't make it? Evo, Wellness and Natural Balance are very popular and well-known brands. Sure they have not been around as long as Nutro, but they are companies that sit in the hearts of their customers and are very well sold.

Originally Posted by maquignon

I agree with NutroMike about the ingredients.

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I think you meant me? Unless you were being sarcastic throughout?

I would recommend you to feed your cats Innova Evo (but since Natura Pet was bought by P&G I would probably be ready to switch from Evo to another brand, as P&G is known for turning great pet food into a crappy food, btw they test on animals(((...
I also like Authority from PetSmart, Chicken soup and Welness)))
as for dry, I give my cats dry food overnight only - it is called "Taste of the Wild")). It is a very cheap but good quality grain free food. Also available in cans.

Ok, let me explain a little more about my beef with Nutro.

1. My problems were NOT during the 2007 recall or during a recall at all. It was at the end of 2009. This was NOT just "my" problem. I had real life and internet friends going through the same thing at the same time. Add in the comments made by people on review sites, it can't be a coincidence. So -something- was wrong with the food, it wasn't just my dog. Yet no recall was ever made during that time. Even since then I've had people ask me about their dogs getting sick and when they tell me they feed Nutro I tell them to switch. Funny how the dogs are always fine once they're off Nutro.

2. When we contacted Nutro they were very unsupportive. I didn't get a refund on the food, I wasn't covered for the vet bills the food caused (And I know for a fact other brands WILL cover both) and let me just say to those who DO work for Nutro...Please put in a word that coupons for more food that causes my animals to be sick is redundant and that I don't want to buy more of your food when it's obviously NOT working for my dog!! WHY DO I WANT COUPONS FOR MORE?? They aren't going to make up for the cost of the vet bills to continue feeding it and aren't going to cover the heart break when your pet dies from it.

3. The reaction to the food REALLY bothered me. I've seen reactions to bad foods before, things like dull coat, excessive shedding, goopy eyes, soft/runny poop, larger amounts of poop, ect are "normal" bad reactions. NOT extreme lethargy to where she would barely get up to go outside and potty much less play and having BLOOD coming from BOTH ENDS.

4. My dog has a stomach made of steel...Or so I thought. When she was younger she got into roach poison. The dog didn't vomit, she didn't have soft poop, she didn't become lethargic, there was no damage to her organs, she was fine. Crazy how eating Nutro caused worse problems for her than ROACH POISON did! I fed some of the recalled foods during the 2007 problems and didn't have the problems Nutro did during the time they WEREN'T recalled.

5. I am all the time testing out new products on my dogs. My dogs have eaten everything from Purina Dog Chow to RAW. I've fed a good 25+ brands and none have ever caused problems like Nutro has. Why?

Now, if you feel like it does well for your pets then that's up to you. But I should have my rights just as anyone else to warn people about mine and family/friends experience with this food. *I* don't trust it and can't say I could ever forgive the company for how they treated me and what the food did to my dog. I'm very thankful to still have her around at 13 years old and in good health and I'm not sure why anyone would blame me for not having the balls to try it again at the risk it'll cause her problems. For *ME*, I love my pets too much to try a product like that again. There are far too many other options out there that HAVEN'T caused me nearly as many problems to ever give Nutro another shot. Not to mention their product quality has gone down over the years which just turns me off even more. My pets don't need corn gluten, synthetic vitamin K, wheat, ect in their food. Again, JMO/E.

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

Now, if you feel like it does well for your pets then that's up to you. But I should have my rights just as anyone else to warn people about mine and family/friends experience with this food. *I* don't trust it and can't say I could ever forgive the company for how they treated me and what the food did to my dog. I'm very thankful to still have her around at 13 years old and in good health and I'm not sure why anyone would blame me for not having the balls to try it again at the risk it'll cause her problems. For *ME*, I love my pets too much to try a product like that again. There are far too many other options out there that HAVEN'T caused me nearly as many problems to ever give Nutro another shot. Not to mention their product quality has gone down over the years which just turns me off even more. My pets don't need corn gluten, synthetic vitamin K, wheat, ect in their food. Again, JMO/E.

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Originally Posted by Ke$ha

Ok, let me explain a little more about my beef with Nutro.

Now, if you feel like it does well for your pets then that's up to you. But I should have my rights just as anyone else to warn people about mine and family/friends experience with this food. *I* don't trust it and can't say I could ever forgive the company for how they treated me and what the food did to my dog. I'm very thankful to still have her around at 13 years old and in good health and I'm not sure why anyone would blame me for not having the balls to try it again at the risk it'll cause her problems. For *ME*, I love my pets too much to try a product like that again. There are far too many other options out there that HAVEN'T caused me nearly as many problems to ever give Nutro another shot. Not to mention their product quality has gone down over the years which just turns me off even more. My pets don't need corn gluten, synthetic vitamin K, wheat, ect in their food. Again, JMO/E.

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Who is blaming you for not "having the balls to try it again"? I'm not. And yes, you have every right to your opinion. Everyone has one. My border collie was on Nutro from the first day I got her. She was 4 months old when we found her roaming the streets starving. She started on Nutro Max and went to Nutro Natural Choice as and adult and then to Nutro Ultra as a senior dog. She was in perfect health her entire life and never had to have a dental done. She died at the age of 19. She died 2 years ago. So, you do what you feel comfortable doing and I will continue to do what I do. I also have the right to my opinion and I also have the right to correct misinformation.

Originally Posted by Minka

Just noticed this was in reply to me. xD

Not all recalls by Nutro were voluntary. The widely known 2007 recalls were not because of a vitamin deficiency or something non-life threatening. They were a big wake-up call to many pet owners that even companies that they trusted make mistakes in the formulating and processing of their brands.

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A little research might go a long way on this for you Minka. I am not being critical mind you. Just suggesting you look a little further into the 2007 recall. At that time Nutro made all of their own food with the exception of the pouched foods. Nutro voluntarily recalled all pouches and then several weeks later voluntarily recalled their tins of wet. All were voluntary. No one knew what was happening so they were taken off the shelves because Nutro was not positive about them.

Just curious, what is their testing procedure? If it's one meal per animal, that's not going to be enough to make problems shown.

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There are 600 tests done on the food before it hits the shelves.

By saying that you have used it since childhood, that is again showing that you are biased simply based on that you have been raised being told it is good, and then moved into the business during adulthood. Not that you researched the company first before you went into it. When you are a child, you don't have the ability to know right from wrong and as an adult, it's hard to break away from what you were taught as a child.

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You are really getting personal here so I'm going to let this slide. This time. FYI, I did not move into the business as a career. My career field was IT Administration.

Why do you say that these new brands won't make it? Evo, Wellness and Natural Balance are very popular and well-known brands. Sure they have not been around as long as Nutro, but they are companies that sit in the hearts of their customers and are very well sold.

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I made no such claim they will not make it. They are small companies. Third parties make their food. Anything can happen to the brand. A major recall would really hurt them all. As a brand, they do not have the resources to manufacture their own food. They are basically the middle man to the consumer. Will they make it? Maybe. Will they fail? Who knows. One thing is certain, some of them will be purchased by a bigger company and then be forever changed. It's a money thing.

Originally Posted by NutroMike

A little research might go a long way on this for you Minka. I am not being critical mind you. Just suggesting you look a little further into the 2007 recall. At that time Nutro made all of their own food with the exception of the pouched foods. Nutro voluntarily recalled all pouches and then several weeks later voluntarily recalled their tins of wet. All were voluntary. No one knew what was happening so they were taken off the shelves because Nutro was not positive about them.

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Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt that they were voluntary. Why did Nutro not know what was going on? If they have such reliable proceses, why were they in doubt of their products? Why were companies like Natura Pet not involved in the recall?

There are 600 tests done on the food before it hits the shelves.

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You've already said that. I wanted to know what that involves. 600 meals served? 600 tests done on 600 different batches?

You are really getting personal here so I'm going to let this slide. This time. FYI, I did not move into the business as a career. My career field was IT Administration.

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I.. never said it was your career. I said that because you fed it from childhood because your parents fed it, I think you are biased.

I made no such claim they will not make it. They are small companies. Third parties make their food. Anything can happen to the brand. A major recall would really hurt them all. As a brand, they do not have the resources to manufacture their own food. They are basically the middle man to the consumer. Will they make it? Maybe. Will they fail? Who knows. One thing is certain, some of them will be purchased by a bigger company and then be forever changed. It's a money thing.

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"I'm guessing many of them will not be around a couple of years from now." What does this mean then?

Evo is made by Natura Pet, which does have its own manufacturing facility in Fremont, Nebraska.

Originally Posted by Minka

Man, I wish all of the Internet had a like button.

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Me too! I'm glad there are a few of us, who "know the truth", so to speak. I wouldn't use Nutro if I were paid to The shelter I work at also will never make the mistake of getting Nutro again just cause it was on sale, after the disaster that food caused, on almost every single cat that ate some.

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Who is blaming you for not "having the balls to try it again"? I'm not. And yes, you have every right to your opinion. Everyone has one. My border collie was on Nutro from the first day I got her. She was 4 months old when we found her roaming the streets starving. She started on Nutro Max and went to Nutro Natural Choice as and adult and then to Nutro Ultra as a senior dog. She was in perfect health her entire life and never had to have a dental done. She died at the age of 19. She died 2 years ago. So, you do what you feel comfortable doing and I will continue to do what I do. I also have the right to my opinion and I also have the right to correct misinformation.

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People who praise Nutro and act like I'm wrong for saying bad things about it? Maybe not you specifically but there was someone else who made a comment about my choice of feelings towards the food.

And I think it's great your Border lived 19 years, my boss' BC did on Iams/Eukanuba (Who also oddly enough, died like 2 years ago) which I also don't feed. I really hope my two dogs (13yo PekaPom & 4yo Kelpie/German Shepherd) live at least that long and that's one reason I am so particular about making sure I'm feeding a good food. But Nutro was also a MUCH better product then, as was Iams/Eukanuba compared to the product produced now. Take us back 10 years and I'd probably feed Nutro, but their quality and consistency has fallen. It's happened with MANY brands. I used and swore by EVO/California Natural for years but being sold out to P&G has really put me off. I don't buy it anymore since legally, the company has 6 months before they have to announce any changes or redo their bags if they decide to make any switches to it. Plus they don't have to say if they've changed the suppliers of their ingredients so while they could still be using "chicken meal" it could be a cheaper/lower quality chicken so that they boost their profit to the max. Though one good thing that I WILL give credit for is that it's still being made at the Natura plant and the previous owner does still have involvement in the production still.

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Me too! I'm glad there are a few of us, who "know the truth", so to speak. I wouldn't use Nutro if I were paid to

The shelter I work at also will never make the mistake of getting Nutro again just cause it was on sale, after the disaster that food caused, on almost every single cat that ate some.

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Facts would be your friend here. Do you have the veterinary reports on this "disaster"?

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

People who praise Nutro and act like I'm wrong for saying bad things about it? Maybe not you specifically but there was someone else who made a comment about my choice of feelings towards the food.

And I think it's great your Border lived 19 years, my boss' BC did on Iams/Eukanuba (Who also oddly enough, died like 2 years ago) which I also don't feed. I really hope my two dogs (13yo PekaPom & 4yo Kelpie/German Shepherd) live at least that long and that's one reason I am so particular about making sure I'm feeding a good food. But Nutro was also a MUCH better product then, as was Iams/Eukanuba compared to the product produced now. Take us back 10 years and I'd probably feed Nutro, but their quality and consistency has fallen. It's happened with MANY brands. I used and swore by EVO/California Natural for years but being sold out to P&G has really put me off. I don't buy it anymore since legally, the company has 6 months before they have to announce any changes or redo their bags if they decide to make any switches to it. Plus they don't have to say if they've changed the suppliers of their ingredients so while they could still be using "chicken meal" it could be a cheaper/lower quality chicken so that they boost their profit to the max. Though one good thing that I WILL give credit for is that it's still being made at the Natura plant and the previous owner does still have involvement in the production still.

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Here is a video you might be interested in. This is Part 2. I don't have Part 1 handy but I'm sure if you search the site you'll find it. Very interesting and well worth watching. We'll just have to agree to disagree which is okay by me. But still, you might like this video. You might have already seen it.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...ts-part-2.aspx

Originally Posted by Minka

Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt that they were voluntary. Why did Nutro not know what was going on? If they have such reliable proceses, why were they in doubt of their products? Why were companies like Natura Pet not involved in the recall?

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I have no idea that Natura was, or was not involved in the recall. What company knew what was going on? The announcement from Menu Foods was distributed at 5pm on a FRIDAY! Not even my vet knew what was going on.

You've already said that. I wanted to know what that involves. 600 meals served? 600 tests done on 600 different batches?

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I don't know each and every one of the 600 tests that are done. It would not be meals because where I come from those are called food trials.

I.. never said it was your career. I said that because you fed it from childhood because your parents fed it, I think you are biased.

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I am as biased for Nutro as your are biased against it. The difference between the two of us is I don't waste time knocking other brands. For some people around here is seems to be their "job". There are a lot of fine foods out there. Nutro is one of the best in my opinion. Obviously you disagree, which is okay.

"I'm guessing many of them will not be around a couple of years from now." What does this mean then?

Evo is made by Natura Pet, which does have its own manufacturing facility in Fremont, Nebraska.

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I did not mention Evo. You did. Many of the small pet food companies will not be around or will be very difficult to find because they are trying to jump into the pet food industry to claim a share of the business. They will not be able to compete and will either be sold to another company or disappear altogether.

Originally Posted by NutroMike

Here is a video you might be interested in. This is Part 2. I don't have Part 1 handy but I'm sure if you search the site you'll find it. Very interesting and well worth watching. We'll just have to agree to disagree which is okay by me. But still, you might like this video. You might have already seen it.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...ts-part-2.aspx

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My computer wont play videos very well but I'll comment on what I read from that page.

First, the thing about the chicken being first. If it's listed "chicken" (or beef, venison, turkey, duck, ect ect) then that is indeed a true statement that the ingredients will fall once they're cooked and therefore dehydrated. If it's a "meal" (ie. chicken meal, duck meal, lamb meal, ect) then it's dehydrated BEFORE being cooked therefore NO weight is lost. Of course, that doesn't mean the next 3 ingredients total doesn't add up to a much higher percentage of the ingredients. For example we will make up a pet food label.

Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Beet Pulp, Peas. That could be 40% chicken meal but if the brown rice is 30%, beet pulp is 20% and peas are 10%, you've got 60% food that ISN'T MEAT which outweighs the chicken meal in the food. So I certainly wouldn't feed a food that was listed like that and only contained "chicken". Bad enough it's hard to judge the meat meals in it.

About the carbs/grains/organic thing. Let me start by pointing out "organic" is a marketing scam. "Organic" isn't regulated in pet food, you're paying more for nothing really. And a cat shouldn't be eating grains regardless. They're OBLIGATED CARNIVORES which means that they HAVE to have meat to survive and honestly, that's all they need to survive and THRIVE. (Big difference in the two!) No fruits, veggies, grains, ect. They get no benefit from those foods. Just muscle meat, organs and bones. Dogs on the other hand while technically carnivores, would fall into a more omnivorous category. If fruits/veggies are pureed, they can actually get some benefits from it. (Though they do NOT have the stomach to break down the outside of them alone which is why they need to be pureed) Grains are pointless to a dogs diet as well. So before this gets long, my point is that anyone who thinks barley, oatmeal, soy, corn, ect are "healthy" for their dog/cat needs to rethink what kind of pet they have.

Celebrities. Oh how I want to scream and hit owners when I see people "tsst"ing their dogs while they poke them in the neck or alpha rolling them because they saw Cesar Millan (who ftr, HAS A WARNING ON HIS SHOW NOT TO DO WHAT HE DOES FOR A REASON!) do it. If you're training your dog or feeding a food because someone famous did it/made it.......Please don't have animals and I'd go as far as saying you probably shouldn't have kids either.

Pet foods being around forever....Hmm...Already covered that when I said food changes and you can't feed what once worked if it's no longer working. My parents fed Kibbles N' Bits, Ol' Roy, ect growing up. I wouldn't feed it to my pets if you PAID me. You also can't follow trends. For example, people who buy Orijen for their dogs and refuse to see that their dog ISN'T doing well on it but keep them on it because people praise it as "the best". No one food is best for all animals. It simply doesn't happen. I read the label EVERY time I buy a new bag or can of food to see if anything has changed. Every.Single.Time. I also keep old labels so if I think somethings changed, I have something to look back to and see if it really did.

While I don't agree with feeding a dog (and especially not a cat!!) corn, it's actually a myth that corn is a top allergen. Chicken actually is more often an allergy problem than corn is! Wheat, sorghum and soy are also huge problems. And I wont rant any more about how DOGS AND CATS DON'T NEED GRAINS!!!!! I also don't feed things like "meat meal" or "meat and bone meal" but I -will- feed named by-products like "chicken by-products" because dogs/cats do benefit from those. I feed fresh organs and bones (including feet and things) IRL....it doesn't make much difference being in the kibble as long as it's not "meat by-products" where I don't know what is going into each batch. Same for "animal fat", I'll feed pork fat, ect but nothing that isn't specifically identified. BHA/BHT/Ethoxyquin.....Again...I don't feed it. I'd feed grains before I fed my pets chemicals. Same for ingredients like menadione (synthetic vitamin K), propylene glycol and I also count "sugar" being an added ingredient as a damaging ingredient since we all know sugar isn't good for you, it's worse for your pets.

Pretty bags of pet food....Again. Please reconsider having a pet or child if you think pretty packaging makes a good food. Fruit Loops have a cool box AND a talking bird to advertise it....Doesn't mean it's healthy.

Already went over chemical ingredients...

TREATS!!!! I make them most the time so I know what's in them but when I do buy them from the store, I try to find healthy ones just as if I was looking for dog/cat food. But I'll admit I'm guilty of getting my dogs Canine Carryouts or Pupperonis for Christmas or their birthdays each year, it's like crack to them. And if I can have the occasional alcoholic drink they can have the occasional "bad" treat too. But I don't make a habit of it.

Though I also don't feed my pets kibble day after day with no variety. I switch up brands, feed canned foods and offer raw meals several days a week for "fresh" nutrition and because raw bones are great for their teeth.

It's late and I'm exhausted but I'm pretty sure I covered all the points I wanted to make.

Originally Posted by Ke$ha

My computer wont play videos very well but I'll comment on what I read from that page.

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That's kind of a bummer. The video is pretty funny since you can see the actual brands she is covering. She hauls out a bag and goes over it's ingredients.

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It's late and I'm exhausted but I'm pretty sure I covered all the points I wanted to make.

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See, I thought you'd like the page