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post #31 of 51
Everyone asks each other what they want for Christmas all the time and I know all I want for Christmas is for Gary's pain to go away! Will be thinking of you both this week
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
His pain management doc wants him to do this. He had the optic nerve stimulators and the supraorbital stimulator done. He did find a setting that would trigger an attack. The problem is that we don't have insurance - which doesn't really matter, because when we did it wouldn't cover it. The surgery/devices are about $80,000+
I wonder if you could find a way to contact the docs involved and explain Gary's situation? With his attacks being non-stop and lasting for so many years with no relief it seems he's an unusually severe case. Maybe they would be interested in trying to help because he's so "different"? Doesn't hurt to try to write them maybe.

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Everyone asks each other what they want for Christmas all the time and I know all I want for Christmas is for Gary's pain to go away! Will be thinking of you both this week


Keeping you both in my prayers
post #33 of 51
I'm so sorry that Gary is dealing with this. Sometimes it just doesn't seem fair. I admire your strength and courage in helping him.


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Originally Posted by AlleyGirl View Post
I wonder if you could find a way to contact the docs involved and explain Gary's situation? With his attacks being non-stop and lasting for so many years with no relief it seems he's an unusually severe case. Maybe they would be interested in trying to help because he's so "different"? Doesn't hurt to try to write them maybe.
At this point, I think I'd try it. You never know....he might be accepted simply because of his condition.

Many, many for you to help you gain more strength through this. I'm thinking of you.
post #34 of 51
We talk everyday, so you know my thoughts, feelings, and that I love you both so very much. It pains me to see you this way, but you know I'm here, always....just a msg/text/email/phonecall away, anytime

You are my best friend, you've been through everything these last couple yrs have brought on me, we share the "lovely joy" of chronic pain tho on opposite ends, and I know Mark feels completely helpless at times too, and I wonder myself if I caused some of this.

It is truly a vicious circle, and I am not going to wish for things that I know aren't going to happen, or suggest therapy that won't help. I'm going to tell you I love you and you know I mean it, I would do anything for either of you and am thankful to have gotten the smiles I have recently, and hope you both can hang in there and do "the plan" for this month. If I could give up my strength and pass it on, I would....but you are one of the strongest people I know.

I have learned so much from you and Gary, and value that more than you prolly realise. When others were judging me, you were there for me.... when I'm whiney and having a pity party, you would console me..... when I'm sad, you'd be sad..... when I'm happy, you'd be happy for me. I love you so much my dear friend

You are truly an inspiration for many, a savior for many (felines and humans alike ), kind and non-judgemental. The world could use more ppl like you.

I'm going to leave this with: I'm always here, I always will be no matter what as its unconditional. I will keep you in my thoughts, and hope you and Gary can pull out the strength to do what needs doing, for that is realistic. And I will be there during, I wish physically but that is impossible right now. But I will be there for you, as you have for me.
post #35 of 51
Sweetheart, I can't even begin to imagine what you and Gary go through each day, but it doesn't sound like any way to live. All I can hope is that there will be some kind of help out there for him that will come to light soon. I am here for you.
post #36 of 51
I am so sorry to hear this, you are a very strong person and hubby is so lucky to have you. I don't know what I would do in this situation except to do exactly what you are doing. I hope there is a way to get Gary out of all this pain, it's is a terrible shame he must go through this.

post #37 of 51
I am so sorry both of you are going through this. I don't cope with pain very well so I can't imagine coping with something like this.
post #38 of 51
Thread Starter 
TCS really DOES have big shoulders! I've written it myself to others... I'm just one of those people where it's so much easier for me to give than to take. But despite support from people who understand and don't judge me or the decisions Gary has made (especially Chris, which you've helped me more than you could ever know ), every once in a while I just need to put it out there. This is really hard sometimes. Well - all the time. But sometimes it's just too much, and I need hugs and encouragement. When my light burns dim, it needs some fuel, and I thank ALL of your from the deepest part of my soul, truly, for your support, your encouragement, your kind words, and for reigniting the hope ON WHICH I MUST FOCUS.

post #39 of 51
I'm so sorry you guys are dealing with this, Laurie. I'm grateful and inspired by the fact that you continue to reach out to others on TCS, offering so much advice, support and many hugs, in the midst of all you guys are facing. You're an amazing person!

Please know Gary and you are in my thoughts and prayers. :h ugs:
post #40 of 51
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I wish there was something someone could do. If I could beam you guys over here to see Dr Goadsby, I would, just to give it a shot.
Actually, we wrote him directly, and have remained in contact. Gary's pain management Doctor flew out to meet him at a neuro conference, and he's provided significant consulting services at no cost. (For those who don't know Dr. Goadsby is the world's leading expert on the condition, though Dr. Silberstein of the Jefferson clinic is a close second - they've published together).

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Originally Posted by AlleyGirl View Post
I wonder if you could find a way to contact the docs involved and explain Gary's situation? With his attacks being non-stop and lasting for so many years with no relief it seems he's an unusually severe case. Maybe they would be interested in trying to help because he's so "different"? Doesn't hurt to try to write them maybe.
It definitely doesn't hurt to try. As it requires a brain surgeon to do it, Doc has offered to obtain the equipment at cost, and has talked to the surgeon at Columbia that has experience. The $80,000+ is with the discounts. The small permanently implantable devices cost a lot. The problem is that because he's got atypical symptoms, he doesn't quality for any of the studies (as he doesn't necessarily have a good chance for a positive outcome, and let's face it, that's part of what they look for in accepting candidates into those clinical trial programs).

I didn't mention, but Gary additional has problems with extreme fevers. The hypothalamus is considered the seat of the problem with his condition, and it appears to be just broken. The hypothalamus controls your body clock (non-existent in Gary), your pituitary gland and all your hormones (all wrong in Gary), and your internal body temperature. He has bouts of seizures, where he starts shaking/shivering, and his body temp starts heating up - to 105, 106, 107 degrees. We use cool clothes, and then it slowly comes back down. His normal is 97.2. It takes 3 - 7 hours to do the full round trip. But you can imagine how that leaves him feeling. It's not something from which you recover right away. ...and yes, we did the infectious disease doctor route. He ended up at the top doc in the country, which is on the east coast. He runs the largest research budget in the country, and accepts only 3 new patients a month. The diagnosis: Central Fevers. Just means no known cause.
post #41 of 51
Laurie, I read this after I PM'd you, and I am sorry it wasn't the other way round. I can;t imagine what it must be like to be either you or Gary - you are going through so much and yet you remain dane and thoughtful and caring of others, human and furry. I think we all admire you greatly, yet we can do nothing to help. Many, many thoughts are with you, and I only hope a solution will one day be found.
post #42 of 51
Laurie, after spending the short time with the two of you in New York recently, I can only say this:

He bears his pain with dignity that is reflective of who he is as a person and speaks well of his character.

You, were right there at his side (mindless of the curious eyes of the other customers at the restaurant on you) as you wiped his sweaty brow and gave him a drink of water after he stopped shaking. For you, it was no big deal. You wanted the monster pain gone and when the needle hit home, I saw the immediate relief on Gary's face and knew, that at least for a little while, he would escape the pain that has tormented him for so long.

My hat is off to you my friend for being his rock. For holding him, for offering him comfort and support even when he may not know you are near him. I know full well what it is like to see the man you love so much become debilitated by disease and pain. To not be able to do what he loves to do without suffering the consequences later. I only hope that when or if Mike becomes worse, I can hold myself together as well as you do and carry on with life, because that is after all, what life is now like.

I don't think either one of you in moments of clarity would ever see your glass as half-empty. Your glass will always be Half-Full!
post #43 of 51
It must be awefull to have to deal with this every day, you must be a strong and careing person and vibes for you and Gary to keep up your strenth.
post #44 of 51
Laurie,

It's after 8 pm (CA time) and I'm just now reading through this thread, and I'm really grateful that you are so willing to reach out about your hurt - yes, when people we love hurt, we do too.

Give Gary hugs from me - I'm so sorry for the suffering, and since I'm a Fix-It Person, I wish that I had something to offer that would relieve the pain, but I don't.

I now have a better understanding of why you are so tender towards the members here that find themselves in difficult situations - it's because you walk that walk, too - I know this from personal experience in my contacts with you.

And You, well - I hope you can feel my arms around you because I'm giving you some huge hugs.

I hope you can let Gary know we are thinking about him, and will be praying that he will find solutions soon.

Both you and Gary are a blessing to many, Laurie!
Gloria
post #45 of 51
I'm totally at a loss as to what to say, because words seem so useless in your situation. All I can do is wish you strength to get you through and for a miracle to make Gary's pain disappear.
post #46 of 51
Laurie, has he been tested for Lyme's Disease? There is a DVD out recently that is a real eye-opener. http://www.underourskin.com/ I ordered it and am in the process of watching it. Some of what Gary is going through is caused by this disease and they have these nibs (tiny microscopic ticks) that can actually bite you, feed on you and you don't know it for days afterwards. The strange thing about Lyme's is one bite from a tick can cause up to 129 different types of bacterial infections that can affect all parts of the body at different times. Might be worth something to order the DVD and watch it.
post #47 of 51
I am so, so sorry hun that Gary and you have to go throught this, you sound like wonderful people and living with this doesn't seem fair. My dh has chronic sinus problems and suffers with pain and feeling crap every day, nowhere near what Gary suffers but he has had mri scan, been to see consultants and doctors and nobody will help him and it makes you feel so low and as if nobody cares. I just want to send you hugs.xxxx
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by LDG View Post
TCS really DOES have big shoulders! I've written it myself to others... I'm just one of those people where it's so much easier for me to give than to take. But despite support from people who understand and don't judge me or the decisions Gary has made (especially Chris, which you've helped me more than you could ever know ), every once in a while I just need to put it out there. This is really hard sometimes. Well - all the time. But sometimes it's just too much, and I need hugs and encouragement. When my light burns dim, it needs some fuel, and I thank ALL of your from the deepest part of my soul, truly, for your support, your encouragement, your kind words, and for reigniting the hope ON WHICH I MUST FOCUS.

And that is what we must pull on. If hugs and encouragement is what helps you, then do that nasty 3 letter word and A-S-K.....

You and Gary both have touched so many people's lives, in more ways than you realise....from the kindness of your posts, the work you do with kitties, the way you stand up for your friends, the way you try to help others in any way, and I could go on.

There are many people here who care about you, love you, and owe you Some return hugs that is. You're always the rock, but its ok to be the one who needs as well.

You must nurture yourself, take care of you my friend

I will and always am, here for you in anyway possible, cuz you've touched me in a way noone else has. You've truly found the key to unlocking what it takes to be a true friend and for that I am extremely greatful.

I am honored to call you my friend.
post #49 of 51
Thread Starter 


MA, I honestly don't remember if he's been tested. I expect they did when he went through the infectious disease process trying to figure out the source of his crazy fevers, but you're right - he exhibits many of the symptoms. I'll call the center to ask, because I don't have those records with me.
post #50 of 51
the lymes sucks and being in nj seems so likely that you know someone with it(or a few ppl) My mom and I have it pretty bad and it just leads to other issues. sister and brother had but were treated for. all caught it in ocean county.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by Snake_Lady View Post
And that is what we must pull on. If hugs and encouragement is what helps you, then do that nasty 3 letter word and A-S-K.....

You and Gary both have touched so many people's lives, in more ways than you realise....from the kindness of your posts, the work you do with kitties, the way you stand up for your friends, the way you try to help others in any way, and I could go on.

There are many people here who care about you, love you, and owe you Some return hugs that is. You're always the rock, but its ok to be the one who needs as well.

You must nurture yourself, take care of you my friend

I will and always am, here for you in anyway possible, cuz you've touched me in a way noone else has. You've truly found the key to unlocking what it takes to be a true friend and for that I am extremely greatful.

I am honored to call you my friend.
I have to agree with Snake Lady and many others. You are awesome and any time you need an ear to listen and a shoulder to lean on, there are LOTS here willing to give that to you.
I'm so sorry Gary has to go through this....I don't know how I would cope if my hubby has had to endure what Gary has. That would be the hardest to go through.
You are always so positive and have been a cheering squad for many of us here. It's ok to let us give some support and love to you when YOU need it!
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