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post #1 of 28
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. My cats are too hot with fevers of 104 to 107 degrees. Injections of Amoxicillin and Enroflaxicin got the fevers down for a few hours, but subsequent dosings of Amoxicillin - Clavamox - Enroflaxicin didn't do much of anything. the fevers went back up to 105 to 106. I wanted to know if there might be an herbal or homeopathic remedy that might compliment these traditional medications, but perhaps I've come to the wrong place to be asking that.

currently I have one more hot cat on Cephalexin and I am checking his temperature here and there. It maxxed out at 106.3 and on last check it is right under 105.

I took the cats to the vet two or three times each and he should have a clue by now what antibiotic to use. Was I trashing my turban wearing veterinarian? No . . . women have no sense of humor left. I thought it was mildly funny but it's no joke that my cats go on burning up alive. He seems to think it funny to take them away from me.
post #2 of 28
What sort of test has your vet run?
post #3 of 28
A fever is a symptom of a bigger problem....just getting the fever down won't do any good, you need to find the cause and eliminate it. Have the cats been tested for Feline Leukemia? Has the vet done a culture? Bloodwork?

What diet are the cats on?
post #4 of 28
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What sort of test has your vet run?
Yes What has the vet said or done?
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Originally Posted by Willowy View Post
A fever is a symptom of a bigger problem....just getting the fever down won't do any good, you need to find the cause and eliminate it. Have the cats been tested for Feline Leukemia? Has the vet done a culture? Bloodwork?

What diet are the cats on?
All of the above are ??s that many would be of more assistance if you give them
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
My cats are always having fevers and they always recover on amoxicillin and clavomox. This time their fevers are too high and the usual remedies aren't working. Again I was wondering if anyone knows of an herb or homeopathic remedy as the doctors traditional meds aren't working.

My vet always runs blood tests for everything. The cats are clearly all catching something one after another . . .

I don't feel especially welcome here. Jazzmin
post #6 of 28
What do you want people to say? You have a problem, and people have asked what you've tried already.

Regular fevers indicate a serious condition, and should be thoroughly investigated by a vet, not by homeopathically treating the symptoms. If you're not happy with your vet, then change!
post #7 of 28
When your talking fevers that high your risking brain damage. I just went through a REAL sick cat on fluids/shots of antibiotics temp going upwards of 104.

CA is a big place switch vets. And if this was all true I dont think you would trash the vet the way you have(turban to tight, brain in the other turban) you would have been posting the info for the clinic as one to avoid so cat lovers could at least go in guarded.

Go get a copy of the blood tests and post them, call around vets-you have email so at least email a few. This site may know a few natural remedies but if you asked and no one responds its cause we dont have the experience-we are just caring pet owners not vets witholding the info

There are mush better resources to be finding a natural vet. look at reviews online-at least it will give you a better idea of what they handle and treat. Drs websites are packed with info about hours/if taking new patients/breeder knowledgeable(intact animals come with thier different set of problems. my cat dont eat for a day i know its not pyometra)

You are welcome here but on same note you really have better options at finding a natural vet/care your cats so despertley need.
post #8 of 28
First- my heart is breaking that your kitties are THIS sick. for them.

But I have to agree - whether you use mainstream medicine or homeopathy - recurrent fevers mean the same thing in cats as they do people - a SERIOUS problem that is not being addressed. It is a sign of infection... somewhere in the body -whether viral or bacterial.

You are welcome here. We are all worried for your cats - that whatever path you are taking they are not getting proper care and treatment, and the source of the recurrent issues isn't being cleared up.

I have been on here 3 years -- I don't know anyone on here who is a homeopathic vet. I think we only have one vet clinic.. and understandably they don't come on here that often b/c they are busy treating patients.

You keep asking for homeo treatments and no one here can advise you on this.

Honestly, your cats may need some sort of feline infectious disease or internal medicine specialist.

You have already gotten some good advice - talk to people in your area, get online, do some research to find the kind of vet you want and so desperately need.

Heck - call U-Cal/Davis - one of the best vet training programs in the country and see if they can reco one of their grads in your area. Call Cornell U. Feline Medicine Center in NY - you can get an over-the-phone consult for a fee.

I wish you and your kitties the best of luck in finding solutions that result in their perfect health.
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
My veterinarian took some of the tomcats away and sent them to specialists, yes. There they were given more IV fluids with piggy-backed antibiotic like a person in hospital, and a med for the queasiness that didn't make them overly-tranquilized. Actually all those cats recovered in three days, stayed in hospital altogether 6 days with further tests to figure out what made them have such a hard time of recovering. The results vary and don't match up to the fever. Some of them need other forms of treatment that isn't really related to the fevers. What it is is that their pre-existing difficulty made it harder for them to recover from this specific bacterial infection.


In the hospital they got ultrasounds, x-rays, bloodwork tests and even urinalysis tests, injections every 6 hours -- and complete diagnoses. Unfortunately, I can't have any of them back as their bill will be thousands of dollars for all of them together. They do have new homes lined up, tho, and with people I trust to give them good lives. Divided, the bill is more manageable and the people I chose love the cats on sight.


I wanted to find a way to keep my cats home, instead of having to let them go. Something to compliment the antibiotic and bring their fevers down for good. It has been my experience that some batches of antibiotic are wishy-washy in the active ingredient and this seems to be the problem with those drugs right now. My veterinarians usually buy from another pharmaceutical company whenever this happens, such as Pfizer instead of Roche. This does happen. The Reglan caplets one of veterinarians has in stock right now makes my cats all pass out for 7 hours, whereas the generic one I get at CVS does not. I'm headed for CVS this morning.

To boldy go on a little bit longer . . . Jazzmin

These cats getting such high fevers that are stubbornly high is not the normal. I wanted to stress that, so a normal standard answer cannot possibly be the anwer. That is why I am looking for another answer.
post #10 of 28
You really need to answer a few questions for additional help:
WHAT are they eating-is it canned,dry homemade,scraps....
How many cats do you have total and the ones showing it how old are they.
POST any tests that were done/results.

ARE you giving your cats any supplements/treatments/anything besides food. What are they.

Does your vet know about them(may be interacting with the meds)

LOOK up your vet make sure hes lic to practice.

CALL the vet board to make sure there is no actions against him(if you need help I will do it for you or at least get you the numbers)
post #11 of 28
Yes, we do need more info to give educated replies. This is an odd situation. . . I mean, I have 20 indoor cats, and more outside (and previous cats as well), and I have never seen or heard of anything like that. And your statements about frequently having sick and dying kittens. Something is obviously not right, but with the limited info you've given, I don't think anyone can make an intelligent response yet. And nobody here is a vet, so even our best advice is just opinions from experienced cat owners. Of course you're welcome here! You came here for opinions on your cats's health matters, to run them by other cat owners, and that's what you get on this forum.

You said the vets did make full diagnoses on the cats? If you have the bloodwork results and diagnoses from the vet, or even just the name of the diagnosis, post them here, maybe someone will recognize the disease name.

Although your vet seems like a nice guy---since he's taking your sick cats, curing them, and finding them new homes---it may be time to find another vet. You don't seem quite satisfied with this one, and it's always important to have a vet you're comfortable with.
post #12 of 28
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Yes, we do need more info to give educated replies. This is an odd situation. . . I mean, I have 20 indoor cats, and more outside (and previous cats as well), and I have never seen or heard of anything like that. And your statements about frequently having sick and dying kittens. Something is obviously not right, but with the limited info you've given, I don't think anyone can make an intelligent response yet. And nobody here is a vet, so even our best advice is just opinions from experienced cat owners. Of course you're welcome here! You came here for opinions on your cats's health matters, to run them by other cat owners, and that's what you get on this forum.

You said the vets did make full diagnoses on the cats? If you have the bloodwork results and diagnoses from the vet, or even just the name of the diagnosis, post them here, maybe someone will recognize the disease name.

Although your vet seems like a nice guy, if he's taking your sick cats, curing them, and finding them new homes, it may be time to find another vet. You don't seem quite satisfied with this one, and it's always important to have a vet you're comfortable with.

Very well said Willowy. I have 33 inside at moment and am lost
post #13 of 28
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And your statements about frequently having sick and dying kittens.
I'll give her the slight benefit of the doubt here and suggest that maybe she's taking in sick cats and kittens. Though, if she has in the past or does regularly, that could be a possible source of all of this.


Jazzmin_Flower, could you possibly include some other basic info about these cats? Are they spay/neutered, vaccinated - up to date or did they at least finish their kitten shots + a booster?
Describe the illness that you see. Do they get goopey eyes? Sneeze?

Are they indoor, indoor/outdoor, or outdoor cats? If they're inside, what state is your home in? Any chance of a serious mold problem? Do you get sick much? Are the litter boxes kept as clean as possible?
post #14 of 28
I'm wondering if there isn't some sort of viral infection living in the household, or some other type of infection.
post #15 of 28
I did know someone who got very sick because there was mold in her walls, and she didn't even know it. That could be a lead worth pursuing.

From what I got from the other thread (which disappeared?), the males are neutered, most females not spayed (due to a cat having surgery complications, and she's not willing to do it again), and there are multiple cats, but no indication how many. Other than that, we really have no info.
post #16 of 28
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I did know someone who got very sick because there was mold in her walls, and she didn't even know it. That could be a lead worth pursuing.
I thought I'd mention it because it's something that a vet wouldn't immediately think of and can present oddly. It also wouldn't affect everyone in the home the same as how sick someone (or some pet) gets greatly depends on their immune system.

Bacteria and viral are the only other things I can think of that would sicken multiple cats.
post #17 of 28
The Newport Beach Veterinary Hospital is coming up with MANY gready reviews!
I keep seeing the post edited. I wonder if the vet is just trying to help take a few cats off your hands and maybe he sees the problem. If the cats come in get treated with same meds and recover
A) are you following the drs instructions to the T shots/meds/feedings on time, B) hes letting you choose the new owners?
"hey do have new homes lined up, tho, and with people I trust to give them good lives"
"the people I chose love the cats on sight."
I have a friend in rescue who can't get healthy kittens adopted how the heck are you getting homes lined up for cats who are/were sick and witha undiagnosed illness at that.
You keep avoiding the main question-how many cats total and how many are sick.

Maybe the vet is seeing something we can't far as numbers and is doing his best to help you without losing his practice to cost.

This has been fishy since the start. If I came on looking for help I would be leaving all the info asked of me. ANYTHING TO help my babies.
post #18 of 28
I hope I don't get flamed here, but the thought occured to me.. .could it be with some of the homeopathic/holistic treatments you are trying on the cats is poisoning them??? There are lots of things WE can take/eat, etc that cats cannot - such as onion, garlic and chocolate. I am thinking toxic to the liver... and making it suseptible to disease??? I don't know. I am not an expert.

Worth a thought.
post #19 of 28
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I hope I don't get flamed here, but the thought occured to me.. .could it be with some of the homeopathic/holistic treatments you are trying on the cats is poisoning them??? There are lots of things WE can take/eat, etc that cats cannot - such as onion, garlic and chocolate. I am thinking toxic to the liver... and making it suseptible to disease??? I don't know. I am not an expert.

Worth a thought.
That is a likely and very legit thought
post #20 of 28
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That is a likely and very legit thought
I am also wondering if these cats are succumbing to panleukopenia..or something like that???? Especially if they are not vaxed and she is taking in animals from various sources. But we don't know b/c we are not getting answers.

And as someone else suggested that the herbs etc could be interferring with the antibiotics... it is also possible that the vets did get some counterfeit meds... that is a very scary thought for both pets and humans.
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
Fishy is it?

Hmmm . . .

What can happen when herbs go "wrong" is that the capsules are made of plastic and won't dissolve in the stomach, therefore not releasing the healing herb.

I have a lot of kitties and I am still stinging over the ladies who practically ordered me to have Dolly spayed over one yeast/pyo infection.

Dolly is better, by the way.

No, I don't have the lab values -- they did not e-mail me copies as it was done there after I released my cats.

It is almost impossible for me to find good homes for my cats and that is why I have too many.

What is possible is that I find too many cats abandoned out in the street around here and so much for the good homes.

The people that took my kitties had admired them before and when they heard what happened they agreed to go collect the cats and pay their hospital bills per cat. My veterinarians only tell men that the cats go into the hospital -- they tell the women that the cats will be put to sleep. I don't like it, but that's how they do it, so I don't have any of the test information, no.

Anyway, from what I was informed by the new owners, the cats all recovered after 3 - 6 days in hospital and are happy again, awaiting neutering surgery.

Jazzmin

I was really looking for other answers other than the "normal response" answers I am getting here. That is why I don't think I will stick around very long.
post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
Sometimes the drug manufacturers cut the percentage of active ingredient down and the cat doesn't get enough medication. My current hot cat got cephalexin capsules and I noticed the capsules are only 2/3 full of powder. The cat is also taking too long to recover, altho his temp is down two full degrees.

My vets usually change to another drug company, such as changing from Roche to Pfizer for awhile, to get stronger and reliable medicines. They did state this is a problem from time to time, such as the Reglan out here now causing too heavy a tranquilizing effect in one manufacturer. I purchased Reglan from another company this morning and the pill doesn't look the same at all. I usually have better luck with these.

Jazzmin
post #23 of 28
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Fishy is it?

Hmmm . . .

What can happen when herbs go "wrong" is that the capsules are made of plastic and won't dissolve in the stomach, therefore not releasing the healing herb.

I have a lot of kitties and I am still stinging over the ladies who practically ordered me to have Dolly spayed over one yeast/pyo infection.

Dolly is better, by the way.

No, I don't have the lab values -- they did not e-mail me copies as it was done there after I released my cats.

It is almost impossible for me to find good homes for my cats and that is why I have too many.

What is possible is that I find too many cats abandoned out in the street around here and so much for the good homes.

The people that took my kitties had admired them before and when they heard what happened they agreed to go collect the cats and pay their hospital bills per cat. My veterinarians only tell men that the cats go into the hospital -- they tell the women that the cats will be put to sleep. I don't like it, but that's how they do it, so I don't have any of the test information, no.

Anyway, from what I was informed by the new owners, the cats all recovered after 3 - 6 days in hospital and are happy again, awaiting neutering surgery.

Jazzmin

I was really looking for other answers other than the "normal response" answers I am getting here. That is why I don't think I will stick around very long.

(Angels are not so nice to these kitties at all -- why cover up for them?)
You have too many cats because you don't spay and neuter. Pure and simple.

Capsules are not made out of plastic they are made out of gelatin and glycerin.

Dolly, according to you, has had pyometra twice. That, in my mind, is neglect, that you did not have her spayed with the first infection. As for your "vet". Why any vet would allow a cat to have these repeat infections and not advise an emergency spay is beyond me. What that poor cat must suffer. It makes me so sad.
post #24 of 28
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I was really looking for other answers other than the "normal response" answers I am getting here.
What sort of answers?
post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 
I was looking for herbal, homeopathic or OTC meds that compliment and help remedy my cats. Such as, here the same veterinarian that saw Dolly actually prescribed an OTC medication for one of my tomcats: Cimetidine/Tagamet. I ran out and bought this and my tomcat with a nasty bacterial infection in the colon, recovered fantastically! He feels better than ever and is being wonderfully kittenish now. The OTC med was even better than the usual Reglan for him. For that I am grateful -- Tagamet really brought out the kitten in my cat that I thought he had lost on growing up.

Jazzmin
post #26 of 28
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I was looking for herbal, homeopathic or OTC meds that compliment and help remedy my cats. Such as, here the same veterinarian that saw Dolly actually prescribed an OTC medication for one of my tomcats: Cimetidine/Tagamet. I ran out and bought this and my tomcat with a nasty bacterial infection in the colon, recovered fantastically! He feels better than ever and is being wonderfully kittenish now. The OTC med was even better than the usual Reglan for him. For that I am grateful -- Tagamet really brought out the kitten in my cat that I thought he had lost on growing up.

Jazzmin
Ok. Hmmm... Tagamet is heartburn/acid reflux medicine. I'm no doctor, but how does that fix an infection unless he has ulcers in his stomach from h-pylori bacter - I don't even know if cats have that problem. (And the appropriate antibios are still needed.)

Reglan is also prescribed for heartburn/ acid/gastric reflux. Sometimes these meds are given by vets to handle the stomach upset caused by antibiotics. So I don't see how these drugs "cured" a terrible bacterial infection except that it may have prevented the cat from puking antibiotics back up?
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Jazzmin_Flower View Post
I was looking for herbal, homeopathic or OTC meds that compliment and help remedy my cats. Such as, here the same veterinarian that saw Dolly actually prescribed an OTC medication for one of my tomcats: Cimetidine/Tagamet. I ran out and bought this and my tomcat with a nasty bacterial infection in the colon, recovered fantastically! He feels better than ever and is being wonderfully kittenish now. The OTC med was even better than the usual Reglan for him. For that I am grateful -- Tagamet really brought out the kitten in my cat that I thought he had lost on growing up.

Jazzmin
If that is what you are here for, you will not get those answers here on The Cat Site.

From our site rules:

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Furthermore, we strongly discourage members to post dosage information and in some cases will remove it. Information given by posters here is not based on your pet’s full history, and are by people who most likely do not have a degree in veterinary medicine. There are many home remedies, as well as approved veterinary treatments for cat health problems that may work for one cat, but be lethal for another cat. Therefore, we do not encourage exchange of this type of information without consulting a vet first. Please discuss any potential treatments with your vet first to ensure you are treating the right problem, and not potentially making it worse. It's one thing if your vet prescribes it, its another if someone on the internet does. TCS will not be liable if bad advice is given, whereas your vet would be.
post #28 of 28
I dont think I am the only one, but I applaud the vet for sending them to another hospital-as if he don't own it he would have had to financially back them on the trip there.

just for the heck of it post the vets name. I would like to thank him I am sure if he did this much for your cats he does this for other ppl to, What a sweet caring man.
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