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post #31 of 51
Oh my gosh, what a terribly difficult situation you've been put in. Two whole days! I'm so, so sorry....

And all the work, effort, time you're expending. God bless you. You clearly love your babies unreservedly.

I'm so upset for you. Maybe you'll get a call tonight or first thing tomorrow!!! I will keep you all in my thoughts.

Hang on, Bunnelina. Eventually, you'll be able to put this behind you as an unpleasant, but distant, memory.

<<<<<hugs>>>>>
post #32 of 51
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THANK YOU, both of you!!! I'm writing this with tears in my eyes at your kindness and encouragement. I suddenly feel much less angry and just deeply disappointed in my vet, whom I've trusted for years.

I know people make mistakes, but this mix-up went on all day. And every time I look at Possum's nose, it breaks my heart... he's the sweetest little boy and he's got a nasty virus lesion under his nose and now ringworm starting on top.

We just finished force-feeding our teenaged guy, Snalbert, and there's no way I'm giving him Sporanox without talking to the vet and possibly checking his liver levels first. He's already at risk because he'd stopped eating due to his virus. Sporanox is supposed to be hard on older cats' livers, and he's 14. Our 15-year-old, Snicky, is even more fragile. She's on a steroid for IBD, which will make treating any ringworm even harder, they say. Another reason why I am desperate to begin before she gets lesions, too.

I'd like you to see them, in better days:

Here's Possum, before his nose lesions:


And here's Snalbert, our Persian guy:


Sorry if the photo is huge, I resized it to be small but it didn't take.

I think I'm going to bed with a good book. Tomorrow might be a better day.
post #33 of 51
Oh my!!! They're totally adorable. I'm coming to get Possum!!
post #34 of 51
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Oh my!!! They're totally adorable. I'm coming to get Possum!!
Wait a minute! He's mine!
post #35 of 51
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I can't decide if he's the pussycat Johnny Depp, Hugh Grant, or George Clooney, but he's mine, even with a big ringworm bump on his nose.

Everybody should have at least one handsome guy in a classy striped suit in the house!
post #36 of 51
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This morning, I realized I had the number of my vet's tech asst. in my caller ID, so I called, and she was there! She'd found the note I'd frantically stuck under the door last night and was about to call my vet.

Our vet called within the hour. She's had a terrible cold or flu but has had to work a lot because the other vet is away. She apologized for thinking we had a fax machine, and chalked it up to a fever and a hectic day. She told me the recommended doses she'd calculated for Sporanox, which were, as I'd thought, drastically less than those the vet in the ER had given us (0.5 ml vs. 4.5 ml, for example). Then she realized that she'd made a serious math mistake, twice, yesterday. YIKES!

She said she was appalled. She also realized that the cherry-flavored liquid ($56 and unopened!) was not feasible at the higher doses. She will investigate generic oral Lamisil (terbinafine) instead. It was her first choice; it just will take longer to get here.

We talked for a half hour about issues - the cats with calicivirus shouldn't be bathed or dipped, for example, and the older cats will need liver tests, and so on. Although tomorrow is her day off, she's going to see if a compounding pharmacy will overnight the oral medication. She's also going to get me more cleaning info from a private vet site she likes.

She'd never heard of Health Guard, but thought it sounded worth trying, so I'll buy it tomorrow. She's also researching DMG. We'll both be researching holistic treatments to try on top of the others.

In the meantime, she sent me to CVS for miconazole. She thought it'd be an athlete's foot cream, but it's in the feminine products aisle.

She said Program, Revolution, and Advantage won't work. She never had success using Program on ringworm.

Our regimen will probably be: oral terbinafine for 15 days on, and 15 off, etc. Weekly miconazole shampoos followed by lime-sulfur dips (no clipping unless groomer insists). A topical treatment for lesions (this miconazole 2% cream, I guess?), and endless cleaning. Plus any holistic supplements we find and like. Does this sound like a reasonable plan? Any quibbles?

I'm still not feeling great about the long list of miscommunications and serious errors that happened yesterday. Both the vet and her staff screwed up several times in handling our situation. But she apologized. (Writing to you last night, and reading your sympathetic responses, made me feel considerably less angry and able to focus on the problems at hand.)

I'm to blame, too. I wanted to be a polite, patient client (for a change; I was calling every day with ??s when Bunnelina had lymphoma). This time, too, I should have put my cats first, not my reputation. I should have called yet again when it got close to closing time, instead of assuming I'd hear from them after hours. Next time, every time, I will be more of a pain!

I'm curious to know what you think about this experience. Generally, my vet is extremely sharp, thoughtful, and well-informed. She cared for four of our cats quite well for more than a decade. Would you forgive the errors of yesterday (the dosage error would have made the medication useless, not fatal...) and move on? I'm inclined to, especially since no other practice in Boston would be any more useful to their clients after hours. But I'm curious to know what you think.

The lesion on Possum's nose is no worse so, although we are losing half a week when we could be tackling ringworm, I'm not the furious wreck I was last night. Thanks are due to the support and advice I've received here!

PS: She called me on her cell phone today and I wrote down the number!
post #37 of 51
Wow! I'm so glad that you got in touch with your vet!!!:c lap:




Having recently changed vets myself, I can totally sympathize with your frustration and anger regarding this most recent snafu. In analyzing your experience it looks that everything possible that could go wrong indeed did go wrong and whether one wants to blame a full moon or Mercury in retrograde, I DON'T THINK THAT EITHER YOU OR YOUR VET WILL EVER LET A SIMILAR STATE OF OFFAIRS HAPPEN, AGAIN. Given your past history with her, I'd keep her. Vets are human and I think that you've learned that be a "good client" isn't necessariliy in the best interest of your kitties. YOU GO GIRL!

The main test, of course, if whether the program that she has mapped out works. I'd would be doing all the independent research possible to check on what she is doing. I wonder if there is a Yahoo Use Group for ringworm?

All, in all, you done good!

And Snalbert and Possom are adorable!!!!!
post #38 of 51
Ok, so let's get the most important stuff out of the way, first.... Esrandall and I are having a throw-down in the parking lot for Possum. What she doesn't know, of course, is that while I'm letting her kick the stuffing out of me (hey - I'm a lover, not a fighter!) I've got someone going in the back door for a cat nab! *long, loud, evil cackling laugh*



Bunnelina - Taking into consideration the historical behavior of your vet and her current condition, I agree with you and Esrandall whole-heartedly. She probably should be resting, but is so concerned about her clients she can't not go in; 'though now she knows that she must double her attention to detail until she's feeling well again.

And I am very, very glad you finally have the information you need to manage the ringworm. Those of us who have been around awhile know - helplessness is the absolute worst feeling in the world.

I think you've handled this situation admirably!
post #39 of 51
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Ok, so let's get the most important stuff out of the way, first.... Esrandall and I are having a throw-down in the parking lot for Possum. (What she doesn't know, of course, is that while I'm letting her kick the stuffing out of me (hey - I'm a lover, not a fighter!) I've got someone going in the back door for a cat nab! *long, loud, evil cackling laugh*



OK, I'm taking the kid gloves off about Possum!!!! I'm willing to go for joint custody, here. Or is it three-way custody? Mom gets him for 33% of the time, Auntie Crazy gets him for 33%, and I, Elizabeth, get him for 34% of the time (being a CPA does have its advantages)!.

Seriously, treating FOUR cats for ringworm is a fate that I would wish on no one.

We are BOTH here for you, so hang in there!
post #40 of 51
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Dear Elizabeth and Auntie,

Why either of you would welcome another cat — after hearing my wormy tale of woe — is beyond me, but you're certainly welcome to date him. He's free most nights, assuming he's done his homework. He's got a busy weekend schedule: lime-sulfur dips, manicures, fundraisers, screen tests, and he's interviewing agents on both coasts.



Seriously, I had visions of being a foster mom someday, and this experience has put a full and permanent stop to that. I'm even beginning to think it's risky to visit our local shelter, which is a really nice, happy place for both the cats and visitors. I'm viewing hand sanitizer in a whole new light.
post #41 of 51
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Dear Elizabeth and Auntie,

Why either of you would another cat — after hearing my wormy tale of woe — is beyond me, but you're certainly welcome to date him. He's free most nights, assuming he's done his homework. He's got a busy weekend schedule: lime-sulfur dips, manicures, fundraisers, screen tests, and he's interviewing agents on both coasts.



Seriously, I had visions of being a foster mom someday, and this experience has put a full and permanent stop to that. I'm even beginning to think it's risky to visit our local shelter, which is a really nice, happy place for both the cats and visitors. I'm viewing hand sanitizer in a whole new light.
Oh, funny, funny.

I used to foster, but no more. Bringing the second litter of ferals into my home while the first was here was nerve-racking in the extreme. Especially since the ferals needed a lot of work before they could be brought in to be examined. I was on pins and needles the whole time. *whew* No more for me!
post #42 of 51
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Oh, funny, funny.

I used to foster, but no more. Bringing the second litter of ferals into my home while the first was here was nerve-racking in the extreme. Especially since the ferals needed a lot of work before they could be brought in to be examined. I was on pins and needles the whole time. *whew* No more for me!
I had dreams of fostering, but trapping, fixing, and release five adults who had tumors and other problems made me realize how much money it could cost. Then I trapped my two babies with the full intention to foster and rehome, but fell totally in love with them and now I have four cats.

I admire those who can foster and them let go, but I'm not one of them!
post #43 of 51
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There's just too much risk involved: too many infectious diseases that can spread to the forever cats, too big a chance of heartbreak when it comes time to give them away. Especially if I wasn't the one doing the applicant screening.

Today everyone was behaving a little more normally at my vet. Tomorrow morning, the kittens get cherry-flavored Sporanox while the cats get giant terbinafine tablets that we can't cut properly into halves and quarters (spend that money!).

Tomorrow the two females will have their first baths and lime sulfur dips at the groomer (spend more money!). I'm dreading this; I'm afraid stress will finally make them come down with the same virus the boys have been struggling with for 3 weeks. (The boys are too sick for dipping.) I'm also worried about the smell and having yellow cats, of course. I wish there was a gentler alternative. I read about alternative treatments (white sulfur, Health Guard) online but I don't know whom to trust. If you have any experience with this, please let me know! I should probably start a new thread on this....
post #44 of 51
post #45 of 51
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I've applied to join that group twice with no response. Maybe they don't like me because my cats have ringworm?
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by Bunnelina View Post
I've applied to join that group twice with no response. Maybe they don't like me because my cats have ringworm?

Well, fie on them!!!!!
post #47 of 51
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This is off the topic, but I just realized that the real reason my sister doesn't want us to come home to PA for Thanksgiving is because her daughter is flying in with her puppy from CA! That's her ringworm panic, not our ancient dad.

I finally know where I rank on the family totem pole: somewhere under the pup.

I'd rather stay here with my cats anyway. I'd never find a cat sitter while they're having ringworm treatment anyhow. And I guess that goes for Christmas, too.

Can we have a Christmas tree during this plague, I wonder? I've never tried to vacuum one....
post #48 of 51
Well, you know, if it helps, we could take turns driving past one another's house and waving.

post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post
Well, you know, if it helps, we could take turns driving past one another's house and waving.


You do know that you two are quite insane???? Is that OT? This is really fun, though!
post #50 of 51
Funny is good.
post #51 of 51
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All three of us have — what? — four or five cats? Everyone I know thinks I'm crazy for that reason alone.

We're about to start the morning medications, with the first ringworm oral meds. We were having fits last night because the terfinabine pills don't cut well, and they should be very close to the halves and quarters we need because it's powerful stuff. I will throw myself on the mercy of the CVS pharmacists and see if they can do it for us.

I wish the Sporanox wasn't cherry flavored. The kittens are going to hate it.

Fingers crossed!
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