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post #1 of 133
Thread Starter 
My 3-year-old tabby boy Andy has been acting oddly.

We have a decent sized litterbox in a special bathroom for our inside babies to use. We use clumpable, scoopable, mult-cat litter [my 2 boys use this box].We haven't really had any problems with it. The litterbox is kept clean and the cats use it regularly. Eating and drinking is normal as well.

Twice now in the past month Andy has gotten into my bed when I was laying reading/watching tv and squatted to pee RIGHT in front of me. I caught him the first time and took him to the litterbox and he wouldn't go, and admittedly it was the day to change the litter so that might have been the problem - SO I THOUGHT. So after it was clean [I did it then] he went fine and everything was good.

Well this morning I was laying in bed and he came in and climbed up and squatted RIGHT in front of me again and after a little dribble I realized he was doing it so I took him to the litterbox again. The litterbox had just been completely cleaned with new litter etc the day before, but I sprinkled some litter out of the jug on top anyway and he went. He's been acting normal so far today since then.

Due to remodeling I hadn't slept in my room for probably 6 months and about a month ago I started again and he comes in and out as he pleases and usually sleeps in there on the bed when I'm in bed but over the past week or two he's done this twice now.

His eating and #2 bathroom habits haven't changed nor has any of his other behavior.

Could this be a medical issue or is something going on behavioral. Help?
post #2 of 133
Originally Posted by A&As Mommy View Post
Could this be a medical issue or is something going on behavioral. Help?
It could be either. The only way to narrow it down is to make sure it's not a medical problem first.

What you can do in the meantime, though, is add more litter boxes to the household. It could be that he doesn't want to pee and poop in the same box, it that the one you have is just getting messy too quickly for him.
post #3 of 133
Thread Starter 
I was reading the post made about inappropriate peeing and I wondered, one of our indoor/outdoor cats that is mostly outside, was in my room for the first time EVER, over the past month 2 times, and on my bed. Could this have anything to do with Andy wanting to pee up there?

We will have to take him to the vet if he does it again [though we really have no money to pay for it], but I wanted to see if anyone knew if it could be behaviorial before I took him. <3
post #4 of 133
Thread Starter 
I think this needs moved to health section. :x

My cat was playing and napping and when he got up to go to the bathroom and he was in there for awhile so I thought that he was pooping. I waited til he came out and went in and there was just a small pee place and it had red/blood in it. He went back in a bit ago and was in there awhile again but just a little place of pee.

We live out in the middle of nowhere so I can't get him to the vet til Monday. Will he be okay til then? Is this a UTI?

I'm so upset.
post #5 of 133
It sounds like a blockage (crystals), which requires immediate veterinary care. Please don't wait till Monday, but get him to a vet ASAP.
post #6 of 133
Thread Starter 
There's no vet anywhere around here on the weekends? The closest vet hospital is over an hour away also. Is there anything I can do?
post #7 of 133
Call the hospital, don't wait until Monday! Here's some information on FLUTD:
Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease Note the warning at the bottom of the page:
* If your cat is a young adult with lower urinary symptoms…

It is especially important to note that lower urinary symptoms in the male cat
can indicate a urinary blockage which is an emergency situation.
If you are not sure if your cat is able to express urine,
assume that an emergency could be present and call your veterinarian’s office at once.

post #8 of 133
I agree with Tricia, your kitty needs to go to the vet ASAP, I had a cat block earlier this year and it is indeed life-threatening, not to mention extremely painful for the cat. He absolutely cannot wait til Monday
post #9 of 133
Yes, please take him to the vet immediately. Call around to see if there is an emergency vet on call in your area. Usually even if a vet's office is closed they will have an emergency contact on their voicemail.
post #10 of 133
Here's another article on FLUTD
If a cat is prone to this disorder, it will usually show some signs of the disease when it reaches 3 years of age, although urinary tract blockage can occur at almost any age. Both male and female cats are at risk of developing FLUTD; however, males have a greater likelihood of developing a life-threatening obstruction simply because the male urethra is smaller in size than that of the female and can become plugged with crystals more easily. If such an obstruction occurs, urine can back flow back into the kidneys resulting in death from acute renal failure and/or severe damage to urinary bladder. At the very least, toxins can build up in the bloodstream leading to serious systemic illness.
This is a very serious situation, and definitely not something you can treat at home or wait another day or two to have treated.
post #11 of 133
I agree with that your kitty needs to see a vet ASAP. Blockage truly is an emergency situation for a male cat. I've never experienced urinary issues with my boy, but when my youngest female was straining and had blood in her urine last year, my vet had me bring her in right away.

If money is an issue, you might ask the vet about a payment plan or try Care Credit http://www.carecredit.com/

Sending many vibes for you and your sweet boy.
post #12 of 133
Can you call your local vet and see if there is an answering service or if he can be paged? The cost could be cheaper than the emergency vet. Just a thought.

I agree with the others that he really needs to be seen ASAP.

Good luck and please let us know how you make out.
post #13 of 133
I agree with the others - especially considering the difficulty your kitty is having when urinating and the presence of blood.

Although money may be tight for you, in addition to the risk to your kitty's health and general discomfort, the cost might be so much more expensive if you delay in getting treatment.

A call to the Vet sooner rather than later definitely seems to be in order.

I hope you get some answers for kitty soon, he must be feeling desperate.
post #14 of 133
Thread Starter 
I called the after hours number I found for our local vet and the guy called me back. He explained that it could be one of three things [UTI, blockage, kidney/bladder stones]. He said that as long as the cat is eating and drinking and passing some amount of urine, that it would be okay to keep an eye on him and take him in first thing Monday to be checked out. He said, however, if he stops eating and drinking, and completely stops passing urine because of it, to take him to the emergency vet hospital right away. He gave me the number of 2 places [both about an hour+ away] and said that if he stops eating/drinking/peeing, to call and then take him.

I asked him how long after he stops eating and drinking and hasn't ate/drank again. He said he's talking about if it's been like a day without food/water/using the bathroom. So I am going to monitor him and hope that he will be okay.

My mom picked up some food for Urinary Tract Health and he was just eating some of it. Hopefully he will be okay. If he stops eating for a lengthier period of time, I will take him to the emergency vet no matter how much it costs.

Thanks everyone for the support. I hope this doctor [retired] is right in what he's told me and that everything will be okay for my little Andy.
post #15 of 133
If your cat is moving off and peeing small amounts and then doing the same thing over and over, it is quite likely it is a UTI. But if you are remodeling and the cat is upset over the new smells and sounds and changes in the environment, the cat can easily become stressed. This stress unfortunately can lead to UTI as well.

Normally, when a cat is peeing on soft objects, it is stress related. I know that in the wintertime, when I take the summer covers off the bed and put the winter ones on, several of my cats get upset at this change, and begin peeing on the bed to bring back the smell they are used to. It is sort of like overpowering an alien with pee. I have learned over the years to stop rushing the cats to the vet, and instead, when I change something in the house, it gets a thorough dosing of feliway spray. The evidence of blood in the urine can be caused by so many factors as well. I hope your cat will be okay.
post #16 of 133
Cats can go downhill very fast if they are blocked, and a day is an awfully long time to be in pain. My vets recommend getting a cat in at the very first sign of trouble, especially if the cat is straining in the litterbox and/or there is blood.

The urinary diet only works over a number of weeks or months, so it will bring Andy no immediate relief.

Have you called either of the emergency vet hospitals for an opinion?
post #17 of 133
Thread Starter 
I haven't called the emergency hospital. The doctor that I talked to, also called another doctor [who is out of town] to see about an antibiotic [which they ultimately decided wouldn't be good until he's diagnosed], but that vet also said as long as he is eating/drinking/peeing, that things should be okay til Monday.

If he stops eating and drinking for some time before then I will def. take him to the emergency vet hospital but those doctors seemed sure that he would be okay if I kept an eye on him and stuff.

I am really worried but he has been eating and drinking and jut peed again. There is not blood in it everytime and it's only a small amount. While I am worried it is not feasible to just rush over an hour away if the problem can be treated on Monday. These are hard times and I love my cat and AM WILLING to pay for any problem that needs fixed but it would terrible to take him and pay for all of that money to find out he would have been okay til Monday.

I know that may seem selfish or insensitive, but without disclosing our full financial situation, we seriously have little to no cash at this point. At the first sign that anything is worse [as the doctor advised me], I will take him to the ER.

Thank you to those who have supported me!
post #18 of 133
for Andy, and please keep a very close eye on the amount of urine he's passing.
post #19 of 133
Sorry to have to say this, but blockage, stones, or UTI, have NOTHING to do with eating and drinking. With these situations you can't go by eating and drinking.

Also, whatever the reason for a cat passing very small amounts of bloody or even normal looking urine, the reason, if not a partial blockage, is a tremendous amount of pain and inflammation. The pain alone must be alleviated without delay. Even with immediate treatment and proper medications, just from a severe UTI, a cat can be very sick for as long as a week and may need to be hospitalized for the first few days. (Happened to one of my cats a few years ago.)

A complete blockage can happen out of the blue, the cat feeling all right and eliminating normally the day before. With a blockage there is straining, many trips to the litter box. The cat can even pass a tiny amount of bloody urine.

A very severe UTI causes the exact same symptoms. Without a VET examining the cat there is NO way to tell which situation one is dealing with.

A blockage can be fatal, causing death in 24 hours.

There is NO home treatment for a UTI, crystals. or a partial or complete blockage.

Please don't wait, get your kitty to an ER vet NOW. Without delay. Please!
Your kitty desperately needs help.
post #20 of 133
I'm afraid I agree with the others. He is likley in some pain already. Monday is a long time for him to suffer. A male blocked dies within 24 hours, and it is extremely unpleasant death. I am sorry to sound so frank, but, I would not wait.
post #21 of 133
Thread Starter 
I really don't know what to do. I have all of you guys telling me to take him to the ER right now but the two vets that were inquired said to monitor him and it could wait til Monday. I live with my parents and my mom really doesn't think we should take him [and I have no money, it would be her paying for it], and I don't know how I'm supposed to get him there if she is unwilling to take me at this point. She said if those vets said that he would be okay unless he stops eating and drinking etc, or acting weird also, then we should wait. Why would doctors say that if it wasn't the right thing to do? I'm very confused.

Right now he finished eating and drinking and peed a bit and is laying down napping [he sleeps a lot normally].

I am so unsure of what to do. I don't want anything to happen to him but it is not feasible to take him unless we have to and the vets seem to think it's not necessary to take him now.

:[ :[
post #22 of 133
A question to the more knowledgable -- Wouldn't he be in obvious pain if he had a blockage? Based on what the OP is saying, it doesn't sound like he's miserable.
post #23 of 133
Cats are masters at hiding illness and pain. It is a survival instinct. By the time they actually show that something is wrong, often they've already been ill or in pain for quite a long time.

Squatting and passing small dots of urine means he is feeling discomfort and it makes him feel like he has to pee all the time. So he keeps trying.

The problem with males is they have a very narrow urethra. There doesn't have to be something like stones or crystals to cause a blockage, simply inflammation caused by irritation can cause a blockage.

This cat began showing symptoms a month ago and is now spotting blood.

I, personally, would drive an hour, or two hours, to get my male cat seen as soon as possible in these circumstances. I understand though, that this is not the OPs decision to make, rather the adults in the household.
post #24 of 133
Thread Starter 
Well I am an adult, just not one that is able to control every single thing in the house because of my circumstances.

He hasn't been showing symptoms a whole month ago. I meant within THIS MONTH which has been a little over 2 weeks he tried to pee on my bed. It was probably about a week ago when he originally did that but he had been peeing normally up until this point. Today is the first day he actually has been peeing smaller amounts. And like I said the rest of his behavior is normal. He's been eating and drinking and playing and napping, but his urination is more frequent and smaller amounts.

I also wanted to add that it is not massive blood and not every time he goes. Only a few times has there been a slightly reddish tint to it.

My mother also called her friend who was a vetrinary assistant for years and she also said that it sounded like a UTI and that as long as his urination and eating/drinking continues that he would be okay until Monday.

If tomorrow his trips to the bathroom are just as or more frequent, and he stops peeing or acts differently, my mother said she would pay to take him to the emergency vet hospital.

I really hope you do not think differently of me because of my circumstances and the fact that I haven't rushed him to the ER already.

3 vetrinary professionals have told me it wasn't necessary to take him there yet, and as much as I want to heed your warnings, and value and trust your support and advice, my mother feels that I/we should listen to the vets etc.

I hope our decision will be okay.

I will get no sleep tonight, this is for sure. :[
post #25 of 133
This is for A&As Mommy and Foofy Cat Lady. Foofy Cat Lady wrote:
"Based on what the OP is saying, it doesn't sound like he's miserable."

So, i'd like to address this if I may.

When you see a cat doing what A&As Mommy first described, the cat is in pain. Any human who ever had a severe UTI or worse, knows what this pain is like, and would do whatever it takes to get relief for the cat without delay.

What A&As Mommy first described can be caused by a severe UTI, crystals or stones, a partial or complete blockage, or a very severe allergic reaction to some food. There is no way to tell what's going on without an exam and a urinalysis and some additional tests.

A severe allergic reaction will pass in about 6 hours and the cat will feel much better as long as he doesn't get the same food again. When he does, there will be another severe reaction and hours and hours of severe pain.

If it's a UTI, as I said in my previous post, the cat will not get better on his own because there is no home treatment for a UTI. Also, one can't relieve the pain which in itself is a problem.

Crystals cause bleeding and pain because of the inflammation and irritation they cause. Again there is no home treatment. Stones cause the same symptoms because of inflammation, irritation, bleeding, and they can also cause a sudden, unexpected blockage when everything seems to be all right and one doesn't expect anything like that to happen.

One can see the exact same severe symptoms from a UTI, allergic reaction, crystals, or when a cat has a blockage. There is really no difference. A cat showing these symptoms requires immediate medical attention and medication to relieve pain and inflammation. In addition, an untreated blockage is fatal within 24 hours. When a cat repeatedly spends time in the litter box and passes small amounts of bloody urine, there is no time to try to figure out why. The cat needs to be seen without delay in case the symptoms are caused by a blockage. It is absolutely essential to rule out a blockage first. Then the vet can do the necessary diagnostic work and start treating whatever is wrong.

We all got concerned when A&As Mommy first mentioned what was going on. And with good reason.

And, A&As Mommy, please forgive me, but all this talk about eating and drinking is pure nonsense. That advice applies when a cat has an upper respiratory infection, but not when a cat has a urinary problem. Over the years I had to deal with all the problems I listed in my post, every single one of them. Two of my cats required lifelong special care. So take it from me, eating and drinking is not what one has to watch for when a cat is showing signs of a urinary problem.
post #26 of 133
Thread Starter 
Well it is after midnight now and there is no way that my mother is going to drive us there tonight :[

I can try to talk her into taking him first thing in the morning but I just talked to her about it again and she is so resistant. She keeps saying "why would 3 professionals tell us not to panic?". I cannot take him myself and even if I could find someone to take us there right now, I am not sure on the hospital's policies/hours etc and I have no money.

I will try to talk to her again about going in the morning.

post #27 of 133
Believe me, I understand. I completely understand.
The fact is this, however. You don't have to panic if your kitty is passing normal amounts of urine after the episode you first described. But he still needs medical attention. Diagnostic work and pain relief.

A word of caution. Do NOT accept medication without thorough diagnostic work because that's the easiest way to get the wrong treatment. Anti-inflammatory medication is all right because that will immediately help with the pain. But anything else will have to be based on test results.
post #28 of 133
I know that you're beside yourself with worry about Andy and you have totally done the right thing by calling the vet and asking their opinion. No one will think differently of you, you are doing your best

Has Andy "vocalized" whilst trying to pee? My Chaos practically screamed when he tried to go. At that point I scooped him up and ran out the door. He had been on anti-biotics for a week for a UTI that the vet had diagnosed him with when I took him in after Chaos started randomly squatting and not really eliminating anything when he did this. If Andy is still peeing small amounts than he is not blocked yet, but like Otto said, males have extrememly narrow urethras and the presence of crystals can rapidly cause a block. Keep an very close eye on him and at the slightest indication of change please get him to a vet ASAP.
post #29 of 133
Thread Starter 
Andy hasn't vocalized while peeing. Everytime he drinks anything he goes and pees some shortly after. His behavior is normal. I tried to feel his stomach, sides, lower stomach and he didn't make any indication of any pain. He licks his lower region everytime he goes though [though he, like many cats always cleans himself often]. He keeps playing and napping and rubbing on us for affection as usual, and he is still urinating each time he goes to the bathroom, its just a smaller amount.

I am going to stay up overnight to make sure that he is okay and my mom said in the morning to call the emergency vet hospital and ask their opinion [she is under the impression though that they will say come in no matter what just to get the money]. And if we need to, she will take us then.

I have seriously been crying all day/evening because of this.
post #30 of 133
He licks his lower region everytime he goes though
The definite sign a cat has pain and a burning sensation.

and he is still urinating each time he goes to the bathroom, its just a smaller amount.
Another definite sign there is a problem.

With the right treatment the licking will stop when he is well. And he will also pass normal amounts of urine.

After treatment all you have to do is watch for licking when he comes out of the litter box. When you see licking, you'll know he is having a problem.
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