Tell me about it - our closest shows are a 2 hr drive. I've driven up to 6 hrs for shows
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Breeder profits?
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I guess you can relate to two things:
1- Rural life
2- Cold weather
Maybe with the kitty thing, three things. LOL
1- Rural life
2- Cold weather
Maybe with the kitty thing, three things. LOL
Yep, but woudn't trade it - love the country living. Since I show only alters, probably won't show a lot after both Charlie and Jack are granded. Charlie has another season for showing; then it will be Jack's turn. I might put them against each other as grand to grand in a few shows.
Without breeding, you only are putting out money and not getting anything in return to help with costs
Without breeding, you only are putting out money and not getting anything in return to help with costs
True true true. . . and you never see 100% of the credit and glory, the breeder gets their share as well. And in this economy, one can't be spending $100's in gas, hotel, and entry fees for someone else's benefit.Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45
Without breeding, you only are putting out money and not getting anything in return to help with costs
Not that I don't love showing my alters, but it's a lot more personal when it's your cattery getting recognition for excellence.
The breeder does have a large part in "creating" a cat that can grand.Originally Posted by FerrisCat
True true true. . . and you never see 100% of the credit and glory, the breeder gets their share as well. And in this economy, one can't be spending $100's in gas, hotel, and entry fees for someone else's benefit.
Not that I don't love showing my alters, but it's a lot more personal when it's your cattery getting recognition for excellence.
HOWEVER...I have personally witnessed some absolutely gorgeous cats from fantastic lines destroyed in the show rings due to severely bad condition and non grooming. If the owner does NOT know how to keep a cat in show condition (neuter or not) then there is NO WAY a cat will grand, especially in CFA.
Can you imagine an un-groomed, underweight, no coat (put whatever long hair cat you like here) (show quality) in a judging ring? I can, and I am saddened by it.
So just because you show neuters doesn't mean you don't get bragging rights nor glory...you do!
Lemons into lemonade!!Originally Posted by Abymummy
Can you imagine an un-groomed, underweight, no coat (put whatever long hair cat you like here) (show quality) in a judging ring? I can, and I am saddened by it.
So just because you show neuters doesn't mean you don't get bragging rights nor glory...you do!
My Bailey is too large for a Mau by a good 30% and his eyes are the wrong color on most days, so I suppose good grroming and conditioning went a long way with him.
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I agreeOriginally Posted by Abymummy
So just because you show neuters doesn't mean you don't get bragging rights nor glory...you do!
Oci's need to be shown more over here, there's only 3 of us and I'm the only one in my state so I'm more than happy to get out there and introduce people to the wonderful Ocicat.
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Good for you! I wish we had more buyers that felt the same. Having put many a show quality cat in a pet home, it sure would be nice if some of these folks would be interested in showing them.
The expense and effort is a hard sell to most people who really just want a beautiful pet, so I understand the reluctance. But I do admire and appreciate the owners who want to show off their pets at a cat show.
Jacks' breeder is thrilled that I want a show cat and she knows I'll show him
I get to brag just as much as the breeder gets credit. The breeder breeds the show cat, but its the one that keeps that show cat in top condition and shows it that has the credit/glory
Works both ways.
IMHO when you start breeding and selling animals it's gone well beyond a hobby and is classified as a business. And businesses are typically in the business of making money and they do that through charging a fee for their products, in this case, kittens/cats and taking advantage of business write offs for things such as pet supplies, medical costs, home office which allows a percentage of all house related costs including insurance and utilities and cars and related expenses, to be pro-rated and claimed on income tax each year. And since showing is part of the business plan (to stay cutting edge), the show fees should also be deductable as a business expense.
So should you be making a profit off your sale of cats? Sure. It's your home based business.
Now whether I agree with breeding and selling cats when there are so many homeless ones in the world already, that's an entirely different thread.
So should you be making a profit off your sale of cats? Sure. It's your home based business.
Now whether I agree with breeding and selling cats when there are so many homeless ones in the world already, that's an entirely different thread.
Natalie,
Maybe this belongs in this thread about the farm bill that is going through now. The fact that over 10000 puppies a year are coming from Mexico and CA is doing nothing of that and 30000 pups are coming from 3rd world countries (one kid in CA died of rabies) and they are trying to restrict importing but shelters may or may not count.
We could talk about over population and breeding, importing and profits but I see some very doable things for shelters. I find the recent analogy that all breeders are bad and we contribute to the shelter overpopulation theory to get old very fast. This is the culture that has taken over and I find it disturbing, so to the reality that breeding should perhaps be non profit. You don't make money, you make healthy, loving pets, for families that slows blood pressure and with lines that are health tested. Anyone breeding for money will be a mill or be out of "business" really fast.
My shelter cat came with problems, (so why are shelters restrictive to rediculous levels in placement practices) when they take an animal back and you know it gets pts and I signed an anti liability statement. Reality, my cats from breeders came with health guarantees which have been upheld, came vetted, and if I ever can't keep my kitties, the breeders are there and have been during my move from a very long point A to Point B. In the future, after having transported supposed vetted cats for a rescue and contracted a URI for my babies at home, I don't like exposure to anything.
I am happy with my pedigree babies, moreso for the health and stability of background than anything, not to mention predictable temperament.
Secondary to that I tell people rescuing is great and if they can, thats great, but some families aren't good for rescue but might be for another animal with lots of support. It depends and i think both shelters or rehoming centers and breeders both have room in this world. Now pet shops and brokers, thats another situation entirely. (I don't agree with them, eliminate and we eliminate where mills can sell and auctions make me sick).
Daisy
Maybe this belongs in this thread about the farm bill that is going through now. The fact that over 10000 puppies a year are coming from Mexico and CA is doing nothing of that and 30000 pups are coming from 3rd world countries (one kid in CA died of rabies) and they are trying to restrict importing but shelters may or may not count.
We could talk about over population and breeding, importing and profits but I see some very doable things for shelters. I find the recent analogy that all breeders are bad and we contribute to the shelter overpopulation theory to get old very fast. This is the culture that has taken over and I find it disturbing, so to the reality that breeding should perhaps be non profit. You don't make money, you make healthy, loving pets, for families that slows blood pressure and with lines that are health tested. Anyone breeding for money will be a mill or be out of "business" really fast.
My shelter cat came with problems, (so why are shelters restrictive to rediculous levels in placement practices) when they take an animal back and you know it gets pts and I signed an anti liability statement. Reality, my cats from breeders came with health guarantees which have been upheld, came vetted, and if I ever can't keep my kitties, the breeders are there and have been during my move from a very long point A to Point B. In the future, after having transported supposed vetted cats for a rescue and contracted a URI for my babies at home, I don't like exposure to anything.
I am happy with my pedigree babies, moreso for the health and stability of background than anything, not to mention predictable temperament.
Secondary to that I tell people rescuing is great and if they can, thats great, but some families aren't good for rescue but might be for another animal with lots of support. It depends and i think both shelters or rehoming centers and breeders both have room in this world. Now pet shops and brokers, thats another situation entirely. (I don't agree with them, eliminate and we eliminate where mills can sell and auctions make me sick).
Daisy
I didn't want to take this thread in that direction, which is why I didn't elaborate any further and stated that my opinion on it would be more appropriate in another thread.
Cat breeding a business? Breeders should make a profit. Wow... I'd have to triple the price of my kittens in order to make a profit and that would put me out of "business" since there's no way I'd be able to sell pet Devon Rexes for $3000. I wouldn't even be able to sell breeders for that sum.
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I'm assuming you show your cats as well then, because if not, at $1,000 per kitten as pets, you should easily be able to make a profit.
With all cattery expenses lumped together it certainly can't cost $1,000 to raise a kitten until it's ready for it's new home.
Maybe in the US, not in Sweden. With hardly one litter a year, moderate showing, HCM-testing, regular vet care (vet care is very expensive here due to high taxation on it) etc. I promise you $1000 a kitten is not enough to make a profit. Not even on a completely healthy kitten. I have it all on paper.
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Yeah, location is everything when it comes to selling pedigree cats as pets breeders or show. Our spotted kittens almost always go for $1000 or higher as pets. The marbles are more difficult to place, so the prices are lower.
That's interesting. I thought the marbles were more popular that the spotted these days. So that isn't true? I *love* the spotties! I might like a marble as a second Bengal but my first choice would be a spotty.
I promise I won't ask another off thread question!
I can make this on-topic for you
I think that whether or not breeders make a profit has a lot to do with the marketability of their breed. Some breeds have much more of a market than others. I know I probably won't find nearly as much demand for Turkish Vans as I would for Egyptian Maus. As we trudge through this current economy, I can only wonder at the fate of our less popular but still rare breeds. Fewer people will want to spend their money on kittens, and fewer breeders will have extra income to devote to their HOBBY. For example, one of the only Chartreux breeders on the east coast is quitting breeding by speutering all of their cats. What will become of the Chartreux gene pool is a sad mystery. . .
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They are not very popular in my area. Marbles take much longer to develope their patterns, and all but a few, don't look like much for the first 6 to 8 weeks. It can take 1 to 2 years for a marble to look their best.
We don't breed specifically for marbles, so we don't promote them as much I guess.
Personally I love the marbles and we have 2 adults as permanent pets. Both beautiful boys.
