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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by Misty Fox View Post

Why you are lashing out at someone, active in the rescue community, in the same area this horror is going on is beyond me. Why kill the messenger? I can assure you I have never had a single dealing with any shelter that would put any animal down for ringworm. We have two fine no kill shelters here, since I belive in no kill, those are where I choose to put in my time. I would be more than happy to listen to you tell me about the statistics of "your" shelters.
Why so hostile?
How am I lashing out? I too have been active in the rescue community for quite a few years. I am trying to understand why people who have never been there just believe what the media is telling you? That IS the sick and dying cats, they are in the main room for that very reason because they are on medication, fluids, special care, etc. I have been all over that place and it was nothing like the media is saying. I would never take cats there if I found the place disgusting. Granted, like I said, some days are bad and some are good. Sometimes it is dirty and more crowded then others. When the weather is bad the cats all huddle together inside. When it is rainy they track in mud, etc.


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Originally Posted by Misty Fox View Post
Lynn Marie also says, and is being quoted by Jen, about not having a problem in fourteen years, well that is far from the truth. There have been numerous complaints, there have been on going investagations. There just have never been charges filed against her.Alleghey County does not have any "private HA" the only two are the ones hired by Animal Friends, http://www.thinkingoutsidethecage.org/site/PageServerand the WPA Humane Society, http://www.wpahumane.org/available.htmlThe WPAHA 's Lee Nesser spoke out saying, they would not send anymore cats to Tiger Ranch, due to the fact there were so many there already. These agents are paid by Animal Friends, and the WPHS to work for those shelters.
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People complain all the time. Your beef with the place started with the problem you had with a dog you got from there. I know of people who adopted from shelters I work at complain because we turned them down. They then went on to bad mouth us on public forums and to others. And yes, I did work at a rescue a couple years back that euthanized for ringworm. My point is that other rescues kill for no reason, but Lin tries her best to nurse the sick ones back to health or comfort them when they cannot be nursed back to health and she is shut down. That doesn't even make any sense.
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by catsknowme View Post
Jen, I salute you for your careful investigation and consideration of all facts
While those who point the fingers at Lin Marie need to realize is that 4 fingers point back at them! Anyone who smelled that odor, and didnt' go out and adopt at least 5 dogs and twice that many cats, and rehome them themselves or - gasp!- pay the vet to peacefully euthanize those animals themselves, need to gather the courage to act and not just accuse - step up to the plate!! IF only 10 people would have done just that, that would have been 50 dogs and 100 cats saved!!! with ONLY 10!!!
Why did so many people from multiple states, no less, dump on her-----why not do more themselves???? Or, if they did do some, why not more, till THEY'D done enough
If people were really compassionate about the cats, they'd being doing more at this very minute...but, oh yeah, i've been cruising on the net and examining kill rates and some shelters - one shelter in Missouri stated an 81% kill rate for their cats....Now, that's criminal Esp. if one considers the stomach injections forced upon cats, etc. ....
Sending vibes to cats in need everywhere
And to all those overwhelmed cat rescuers, I hope that this sad tale inspires others to assist and help you ; to give up their excuses not to and find the reason TO be a part of the solution. That would be the answer to MY prayer
Thank you, again, I wouldn't say anything if I hadn't been there enough times over a stretch of time or have known people, including humane officers who went out there on various occasions. And you know, you only really smelled the odor on the muggy hot days! Otherwise it might have smelled a little barn like, there was pine shavings as litter and hay, plus with the dirt the cats tracked in, it had a barn smell. But it was an outdoor based facility (except for the sick room/office/treatment area/whatever you want to call it).
post #33 of 46
Jen,
I have been trying to get something done about Tiger Ranch since '03.
I live less than twenty minutes from there. I know what is going on and what has gone on.

When I said everything being said, I ment the video of Lin Marie, since that is where you seem to be getting all of your information Jen, you are quoting her chapter and verse, is that all you are going on ?*note the lack of caps, no need to hollar * Just what Lin Marie says, not the DMVs or the Psychologist who was there from Voice for Animals? or the countless agents from the SPCA?

I have been there numerous times, trying to get something done about the horses, I had a dog I rescued from there,placed kittens from there.

Please do not assume what I have or have not done for the Ranch, if you had taken the time to read my posts you would know.

If you want to help Lin Marie you should have been at her Rally today in Deer Township, with your picutres and your story. Please contact the local media here and make them aware of your story, I am sure they will hear you.
I was there, and have been in contact with the media since the beggining.

I did not have a "problem" with a dog, I had a problem with Lin Marie,(please read for comprehension and have the common respect not to twist my words, or my story, thank you. )Lin's failure to uphold a contract. I adopted the dog, nursed it back to health, have the Vet records to prove it, and the court records of my fight to get the dog back. I have a paper trail right back to '03, with letters from the DA who over sees the animal cases, and her efforts to get Lin Marie to back up her contract. I am not bad mouthing anyone, I am stating fact, and have the legal documents to prove it and back up every single thing I have said here.It would have been easy for Lin Marie to get that dog back by filing an action in replevin ,as someone who works in the shelter system, I am sure you are familiar with the adoption contracts. she promised to do so, and then went back on her word, and failed to support the dog, who was taken to an out of State shelter and PTS, torn from her loving home. There was no way she was going to the Magistrates office that day, and I later found out why. I am sure this will come to light in Court as well. Not my case per se, but many other ones.

Since the only HA in our area are from Animal Friends and the WPHA , are these the HA you are speaking of? Since Alleghey County does not hire HA as I said in my last post. If they are HA from your area, they have no juirsdiction out of their area.

Lin Marie AKA Linda Bruno, ever find out why she changed her name?
that may turn out to be a very enlighting experince for you.

Maybe the rescues you have dealt with kill for no reason, but the ones I do, do not, they would never be so callous.

As for the barn smell I own horses, I know what a barn and pine shavings smell like, and the difference between that and the over whelming smell of unine and scat, that I encountered on my first visit. When I went to pick up a very sick dog, on a crisp fall night, and was told I could not come until after ten. The odor of sick animals and fear is one you never forget, and one you can call spot on on site.

You have pictures of what she let you take pictures of.I notice the absence of at least two of the shelters and the isolation room, yes I am that familiar with the place. The site claimed the shelter had 300 acres, it has less than thirty , twenty nine to be exact. There are so many lies and strories that have been told, the truth is going to come out in Court.

There are two sides to this, do I think she was a monster? No, in fact quite the oppisite. I think she was over whelmed, and had a very strong need to control the situation, as a private shelter, she had that right.

As the PSPCA they had a right to go in and make sure no more animals had to suffer.

I see you want to open your own shelter, I hope you relise that dream some day, and I hope you take the very valuable lessons from Tiger Ranch with you and make your dreams come true, I hope knowing the difference between helping animals and letting them suffer are part of your reality.

I wish you nothing but the best of luck, and the wisdom to know when it is time to ease an animal out of this world in into the next, for I belive their souls are so great, they do go on, to a better place.

Peace to you, and I hope you go to the media with your story.
post #34 of 46
I mean humane officers from all over who come to bring cats out there and check the place out first as they would any other place. Maybe they have no jurisdiction but if they found something wrong they would have mentioned it or if they found some serious violations they would have reported her.

I didn't not mean problem with the dog, I mean problem with Lin involving the dog. I am sorry I did not specify that more clearly. I do understand your frustration on that.

I would have loved to go to the rally, I didn't find out about it until yesterday, late morning because that was the first time I could check my email, we had some stuff going on at work and I couldn't leave. Plus it takes me 2 hours to get there and I would have missed it by the time I checked my email. I plan to come to any more if I can and to her trial as well.

My point about rescues that kill for no reason aren't that I deal with them here and there. Only one I actually worked at killed for something as stupid as ringworm. Hence the reason why I don't work there anymore. There are hundreds of shelters out there that euthanize on the spot, for ANY medical problem, for space, for lack of time, etc, for no GOOD reason.

Her name is Linda Marie Bruno. She goes by Lin (short for Linda) and her middle name. Is that so strange? Not like she made up names. Not like it was a secret. My name is Jennifer but I go by Jen. It would be like me going by Jen Lynn.

That is not the point though. I am glad we are having a civil conversation though on such a touchy subject and i don't think I have anything else to say. I don't think we need to bother trying to convince each other otherwise either

Also, I see that you just joined for this discussion. I hope you decide to stick around and join us in our discussions about cats. This is a really great forum.
post #35 of 46
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/leaderti...ce=rss&feed=29

This article is about another shelter, but the folks interviewed in it do know all about Linda Bruno, and what they have to say definitely supports the positives that Jen has been posting I hope that everyone who has been there and has seen the good as well as the bad will contact her lawyer and offer to write declarations so that the judge will see both sides of the story. They will need to state their name, and how they have direct knowledge of the conditions that THEY saw and when, since it seems like the media really is focused on the sick room.
post #36 of 46
No one connected to the Orphans of the Storm shelter is supporting Linda Bruno in anyway in that article. Infact, Beth Ann Galbraith states.." Orphans of the Storm is a far cry from Tiger Ranch. "

What I am reading is that every shelter has an issue with unwanted animals being dropped off,
and every one does. I know what gets dumped at our shelters here, and what gets dumped in my very own drive way.

The article starts out with mis information, Tiger Ranch is not three hundred acres, "on the side of a mountian" (the bucolic discription from the website now closed) .It is at the end of a residential street, and is just twenty nine acres.Not to split hairs,but it was far too small for the animals that were living on it. You need five acres alone to properly support one horse, for grazing,there were eight horses seized, the property was fifteen acres shy of the gazing landed needed for the horses alone. Much of it too steep for grazing or turn out as well, let alone the rest of them.

I realise it was a rescue, but she told me herself,she breed the horses to support the Ranch, one of the many stories she has been telling.

The man who however is supporting Linda Bruno in the article is a private citizen who takes in cats himself at his two hundred acre farm. Any farmer in my area will tell you the same thing. We get all sorts of animals dropped off in our driveway, for the simple fact, they can see the barn from the road.

Boxes of kittens, puppies, I had a, what I imagine, started out as someone who got suckered into being sold a pot belly pig, that matured into, well, a pig, tied to my gate. My husband found a tiny kitten last year, tossed into our front yard, the impact so bad, the retinas emploded, the poor thing was so wormie and full of fleas, I bet it was just four weeks old. It is living quite the life across the road here, with four horses and a one eyed dog. Thank goodness my neighbor worked for a feline vet, we were gonna keep this one ourselves, but she fell in love with it, and her dog is nicer than mine.

4-H projects find their way here, a peacock, a rooster, a turkey, you name it. If you live on a farm, this happens. I swear they know my husband and I are suckers, we find homes for, or keep what is left here for us. Thank God we can.Every rural farm has this issue.

This Smith guy with the farm, got over whelmed and dumped his cats at Tiger Ranch....It was him that said " that in his opinion the recent raid on Tiger Ranch was done to generate a news story that would result in animals lovers rallying to support other shelters with their finances"

I only wish that was the case!

Ironic the guy who took as many cats as he could gather to dump on Linda Brunos place, is going to give one hundred dollars to her defense. Then he claimes he voluntered there. Sorry why not take care of the cats you took in.

This sort of case brings all kind of nut jobs out of the wood work, claiming some connection to it.

I see no support at all from OOTS in this article, only this Smith guy who claims to have a farm, took in strays and when it got too expensive, he added to the issues at Tiger Ranch by,,, dumping his cats on them

Here is yet another story, where people tried to get something done about Tiger Ranch, and a blind eye was turned..

http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/le...,3873637.story

Read a different newspaper, get a different story.

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I hope that everyone who has been there and has seen the good as well as the bad will contact her lawyer and offer to write declarations so that the judge will see both sides of the story. They will need to state their name, and how they have direct knowledge of the conditions that THEY saw and when, since it seems like the media really is focused on the sick room.
I have been there, I have seen both, I have been in contact with the DA and they are gathering a great deal of evidence.

They will need pictures, dated, and rock solid stuff to stand up in court.

I, once again live not twenty minutes from Tiger Ranch, I can easily see with my own eyes what went on there, and what is going on there.

Once again, what was done on the dark will come out in the light.

Do any google search, you will find far more "evidence" from the SPCA, than you will find hard evidence to support what Linda Bruno is saying.

Gotta hand it to ya Catsknowme, it just goes to show how fast news can spread all the way across the Country . Thank you
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by Misty Fox View Post
If you would have read my entire post Jen, you would see that Lin Marie did not keep her end of the contract, she would not file an action to see a dog returned to a loving owner and the only home the dog had ever known.
Jen was replying to the part of your post where you said that you found it "odd" that a cat sanctuary would have a contract. If you would re-read your own post, you would see that.

Also, I believe that Jen may have added the CAPS for EMPHASIS, and not to "holler" at you. She was not lashing out, IMO. Sometimes, people who post on these boards take it personally when someone has a different opinion, and a dissent is often misinterpretted as an attack. To me, it looked like Jen was presenting her side of the story which is different than yours.

As someone who was not there, I am interested in hearing from people who were there. It's all very sad.

Where have all of the cats been taken? Does anyone have any stats on how many will be available for adoption?
post #38 of 46
Perople wouldn't be dumping on the sheleter IF it was run properly.

Shelters that are good don't get closed down. They get more support.

Just the way it is.

Sounds like some folks here only visited a while ago or only saw the sanitized areas. I'm going to go with the government on this - that';s what they are paid to do.

I think those that still think this place was all light and goodness just are in denial and want to believe it was a good place - and I cannot fault them for having good hearts and wanting the believe the best. But I also do not think that view is the truth.

I think she needed to be taken down, and I am glad that she was so that the surviving animals could be properly cared for at long last.

I've seen large shelters with plenty of sick animals dropped off daily - even hourly, and they didn't look like THAT. That was just sad, deplorable, and horrid, IMO.
post #39 of 46
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
Jen was replying to the part of your post where you said that you found it "odd" that a cat sanctuary would have a contract. If you would re-read your own post, you would see that.
The reason I found it odd, was because Tiger Ranch then listed itself as a cat sanctuary. I should have made that point more clear, forgive me.I was then told by Lin Marie, she was not the owner of Tiger Ranch, that she worked for the three Doctors that owned it, and they did not place cats, it was a place cats came to have a forever home

I was under the impression, I was speaking with someone as familiar with the Ranch as I was. That is why I found the adoption contract, for dogs, in boilerplate odd As I did her telling me I could come get the dog, then telling me someone else took it, then two weeks later, calling me back to come get the dog, but only after ten that evening, or she was giving it to someone else the next day.

Netiquette states caps are yelling, not me, there is bold italic and underlined to add emphasis. Perhaps it is differnt on this site, I was only going by my short time here on the net Thank you for enlighting me, I am very new on this site.

I can certainly understand how common courtesy can be lost, or forgotten when people are passionate about the subject matter.

alyssa, thank you, for your words. I too have to side with the SPCA on this one. I went to college in Philly, New Bolton Center had and has a wonderful working relationship with the PSPCA. I know how hard that agency works,and how well it is run. They had to scramble coming to the other end of the State to get this done, they are doing an amazing job of sorting out this mess, and making sure each and every animal is getting the best medical care. Remember there were more than cats on that ranch, there were dogs, eight horses, (if you could have seen the condition of those horses feet, you would be in tears) a goat, and a few other assorted and sundry animals.

What a shame the Pittsburgh and Allegheny County agents did not stop this before it got so bad, and so many animals had to suffer..

Isn't this after all where any animal loves thoughts should be?

Thank you. I wish you all peace.
post #40 of 46
I can't get over how sad this story is. I agree that even if her heart is in the right place, at some point she ought to have stopped taking in the cats. I can't help but wonder how the outcome might be different if someone stepped in sooner.

It's a little bit strange that there are mixed reviews on Lin Marie and Tiger Ranch. Although, maybe it's not so strange if she was mentally unstable.

Regarding netiquette, it is easier to read something that isn't in Caps and I interpret all Caps as yelling too. However, in context of the whole reply, I believe it was emphasis (only a few words in all capitals, and no rude remarks).
post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by alyssa View Post
Sounds like some folks here only visited a while ago or only saw the sanitized areas. I'm going to go with the government on this -that';s what they are paid to do.
Nope, she gave tours over the whole facility. I have given tours over the whole facility, except for the sick room. No shelter will generally let you into their sick room because more germs and illness can be tracked in and out to cats who are already compromised.

I don't expect anyone to suddenly agree with me, I am not expecting to change anyone's mind. I have been there many many times and apparently so has Misty Fox and we both have very different opinions. So whatever. I have said all I can say. I keep trying not to reply, but I just can't stop lol. I will continue to support Lin. I will continue to support Tiger Ranch and I do hope that someday in the future, it will be up and running again. Maybe someone should just put a limit on how many cats she can take in. Maybe she should be a little pickier and continue to ONLY take in the sick and ferals so they can live out their days. That is the purpose of a U]sanctuary[/u].

And I did always here 300 acres, but I might have misheard 30. I don't know about that one. It WAS on the side of a small mountain or a large hill. That whole area is hilly and beautiful. You only need 1 acre per horse, at least where I live because I always wanted one growing up and we have just under 1 acre. The road was a residential one, but it was a dead end and very secluded, set back on the road. I had a heck of a time finding it the first time back when they were open on Monday as well.
post #42 of 46
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And I did always here 300 acres, but I might have misheard 30. I don't know about that one. It WAS on the side of a small mountain or a large hill. That whole area is hilly and beautiful. You only need 1 acre per horse, at least where I live because I always wanted one growing up and we have just under 1 acre. The road was a residential one, but it was a dead end and very secluded, set back on the road. I had a heck of a time finding it the first time back when they were open on Monday as well.
I respect your opinion Jen and understand you have what is best for the animals in your heart.

It said on the site it was three hundred acers, it is twentynine.Her tax records are public, anyone can look this info up on the net.

You may only need an acre per horse for zoning what you need to maintain health is quite another story. Horses are grazing animals, it is essential for them to keep their gut moving, when the gut stops, colic, the number one cause of equine death can happen. A single horse will turn a grassy acre to mud or dirt, depending on the season, in a very short time.

Two acres are the minium of pasture any matrue horse should have, five is ideal. Rotation is important , as grass is only as good as the ground it is grown on, as is hay and oats.

Even with two acres perhorse, she would have needed sixteen, and most of the property, as I stated was too steep for grazing anyway. That is with proper pasture rotation, and an excellent grade of hay and feed.The average cost to keep a horse at home is around onehundered and twentyfive dollars a month. Times eight that alone is a grand a month, and that is on the cheap side. That does not allow for a good worming rotation, spring and fall shots, a farrier at least every two months. ( The condition those horses feet in were horrid ) Let alone any emergency situation that may arise, and the Vet bills that follow. Twelve thousand dollars a year in the barest horse care alone. Just breaking this down for those who do not keep horses or have any idea of what they cost. Then the dogs, then the many many sick cats, the math of this situation boggles my mind.

Jen, if you come in for the trail, you are welcome to come meet my horse.
post #43 of 46
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I will continue to support Lin. I will continue to support Tiger Ranch and I do hope that someday in the future, it will be up and running again. Maybe someone should just put a limit on how many cats she can take in. Maybe she should be a little pickier and continue to ONLY take in the sick and ferals so they can live out their days. That is the purpose of a U]sanctuary[/u].

You and me both, Jen.
You and me both.
A little off topic, but I was out today so I bought a card to send to Lin Marie to show my support and that she's in my Prayers.
I'm not sure if she'll remember me, but I mentioned my friend ( who she knows very well ) in the card, and told her where we met that should jog her memory.
Even if she doesn't remember me, I'm sure the card showing support will help lift her spirits if only a little.
post #44 of 46
http://kdka.com/local/Animal.friends....2.681213.html

Please look at the videos where Lin tells her side of the story. This woman does not deserve to be treated like a criminal. What she really needed was for someone to help her with her problems BEFORE she got into trouble like this. Turning her in behind her back was the worst thing that could have been done to her and the cats. I don't think the cats should be taken away, they should be left in familiar surroundings. The poor things must be terribly traumatized by the 'raid' and being hauled away and put in cages. Did anyone ever think of that? The best thing to do would be to help her clean up and fix the things that are wrong and let the ranch continue. A lot of rescuers who visited there said it was nice. It can be a great place with the right backing. Instead of condemning this woman like a criminal, how about helping her? If anyone has any assistence to give the cats, why not do it right there on the ranch? I think that's a good compromise.

One rescue group who dropped off cats only a week before the raid didn't see any problems. I have not seen any video or pictures of any 'atrocities' like we usually see in cases like this, have you? This is a very fixable situation.
post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by Jen View Post
Yep, watched it already. Is that ALL you are going on? Is that the famous video that brought Tiger Ranch down?
I agree. Usually in situations you hear about, there are extreme conditions, feces on the floor, dead and rotting corpses left on the floor, filth, etc. I've seen horrid pictures from other places. I don't see that here.


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Those are the sick cats that are in the main building attached to the office. Those are the ones who are under constant medicating, constant care, and being treated or cared for. That is the purpose of that room.If you walked into the shelter I work at and walked into ISO you would see some very sick cats with goopy eyes, sneezy snot all over the place, diarrhea, vomit. That is WHY IT IS CALLED ISO.
Exactly. She was treating them. It's like she said, there are sick people in hospitals, too, in various conditions, but they don't deserve to die. They can be treated if anyone cares.


I have never been there, but I have heard good reports from visitors.

If Lin is being accused of intentionally leaving the cats to die, or intentional cruelty, she should be vindicated because that is not what she did.

Remember too that her death rate was 12%, and most pounds have a 70% - 95% kill rate and most of those they kill are healthy! I have seen pictures of dead previously healthy cats and dogs in trash cans after being put down or killed in gas chambers by legal pounds across the country. Why are they not arrested for 'animal cruelty?' It seems like most animal organizations don't seem to care if cats die, so why is this woman so bad for at least trying to save them?
post #46 of 46
At this time I am going to lock this thread as there are strong feelings on both sides of the fence for this case. We have heard testimony from visitors who saw this and saw that or didn't see this or that. It seems that the conversation is going around in circles and before it gets too heated I am stopping it. We all will have to wait for the results of Linda Bruno's trial.

Let's all keep the animals seized from Tiger Ranch in our thoughts.
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