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I got a new Pug puppy

post #1 of 23
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He is 12 weeks old and is Tinkerbelle's new boyfriend.
She is about 15 months old.

So when he grows up we plan on having puppies!!

His name is Petey!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...064_edited.jpg

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this one ^ is Tinkerbelle and Petey!
post #2 of 23
They are both very cute
post #3 of 23
How adorable! Congrats!
post #4 of 23
He is adorable!

Please don't breed your pets (unless you are part of an established breeding program, or are starting a breeding program and have a mentor with years of experience, etc.). You should only breed to improve the AKC breed standard, it should not be "because my dogs are cute and I love them and want puppies", even though I'm sure you'll find the puppies great homes and require spaying/neutering. Breeding the responsible way is not something that you just jump into.

Information on Backyard Breeding:

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

http://home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMill..._breeder_.html

http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIP...ndpetshops.php
post #5 of 23
Both are very pretty, but I'm gonna second that "not breeding" - unless they both are show quality dogs and have had all pre-breeding tests for any genetic problems, you should not be breeding them cause they are cute, nice temperment, can find homes, or to make some money.

Most breeders don't sell their pups for breeding purposes. Do you have breeder's rights? Did the breeder of both of your dogs ok this? What association are they registered in? Is it marked "not for breeding" on the papers.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sakura View Post
He is adorable!

Please don't breed your pets (unless you are part of an established breeding program, or are starting a breeding program and have a mentor with years of experience, etc.). You should only breed to improve the AKC breed standard, it should not be "because my dogs are cute and I love them and want puppies", even though I'm sure you'll find the puppies great homes and require spaying/neutering. Breeding the responsible way is not something that you just jump into.

Information on Backyard Breeding:

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

http://home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMill..._breeder_.html

http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIP...ndpetshops.php
Thank you for saying that. I couldn't have said it better.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sakura View Post
He is adorable!

Please don't breed your pets (unless you are part of an established breeding program, or are starting a breeding program and have a mentor with years of experience, etc.). You should only breed to improve the AKC breed standard, it should not be "because my dogs are cute and I love them and want puppies", even though I'm sure you'll find the puppies great homes and require spaying/neutering. Breeding the responsible way is not something that you just jump into.

Information on Backyard Breeding:

http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

http://home.comcast.net/~NoPuppyMill..._breeder_.html

http://www.paw-rescue.org/PAW/PETTIP...ndpetshops.php
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
Both are very pretty, but I'm gonna second that "not breeding" - unless they both are show quality dogs and have had all pre-breeding tests for any genetic problems, you should not be breeding them cause they are cute, nice temperment, can find homes, or to make some money.

Most breeders don't sell their pups for breeding purposes. Do you have breeder's rights? Did the breeder of both of your dogs ok this? What association are they registered in? Is it marked "not for breeding" on the papers.
They are both very cute though! I love Pugs, they make wonderful companions!
post #8 of 23
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I don't plan on going into this uninformed.

I will find out all I need to do first.


Sorry if some of you don't approve, but my pups will go to good homes of people I know and keep in touch with or not at all.
It would still be several months from now.

I know you mean well, but
PLEASE!! I really don't want any more negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, ...........
post #9 of 23
No one actually said anything negative to you. They were asking you questions about the dogs you intend to breed. The dogs should NOT be bred if they are not show quality they should only be bred to improve the breed. If you do not have breeding rights from both breeders you can get into trouble for breeding them most times it will be marked on the papers somewhere "not for breeding" meaning you would not be able to register any of the puppies you had. Pugs tend to need C-sections is this something that you can afford with out a problem? It is something that you seriously need to think about and research heavily before doing. Most breeders have you sign a contract saying that you will not breed the animals and that you will have them spayed/neutered by 6 months of age. If you signed that contract and you go against it then anything they stated in there they can do. They can fine you and take the dog away if you go against the contract that you signed. I am not saying anything negative just stating facts that you may not be thinking about!
post #10 of 23
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I do not know that they are "show quality".


If she needs a c-section, yes, I can afford it.


There is nothing in their papers that says I cannot breed for either dog.
post #11 of 23
Honestly hon, I don't think anyone was trying to put you down.

I just wanted to say how cute they both are!! I don't know how you can handle 2 pugs in your house...I go crazy with just one (along with 3 big dogs and 6 cats)! My Buttercup thinks she is queen of the castle and always has to be sitting beside or on top of someone...I couldn't handle 2 of them! Of course, we're still working on her training so hopefully it will improve. It's definitely NOT fun when 2 cats are sitting on your lap and here comes Buttercup saying the lap is her's (with that little snort! ) and both cats dig their claws in your lap preparing for battle!

You can see a pic of Buttercup in my siggy. She was snuggling with Gizmo at the time and I woke them up. She alternates between chasing the cats away from us, and thinking she IS a cat.
post #12 of 23
Did the breeder say you could not breed or have you sign a contract saying you could not breed?

My friend is a breeder and has been one for over 20 years she breeds pugs and shih-tzus. All of her breeding pugs are show quality, and come from champion bloodlines. She breeds to improve. You need to have both dogs checked as goldenkitty stated. It is a pre-breeding check-up to make sure both dogs are healthy and free from any genetic problems. If either of them have any underlying health problems either with them or in their lines that are common in pugs they should NOT be bred.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Brandi View Post
Did the breeder say you could not breed or have you sign a contract saying you could not breed?

My friend is a breeder and has been one for over 20 years she breeds pugs and shih-tzus. All of her breeding pugs are show quality, and come from champion bloodlines. She breeds to improve. You need to have both dogs checked as goldenkitty stated. It is a pre-breeding check-up to make sure both dogs are healthy and free from any genetic problems. If either of them have any underlying health problems either with them or in their lines that are common in pugs they should NOT be bred.
No the breeder did not say I could not/should not breed him or her when I got her last Jan. 2007.
post #14 of 23
they are very cute but like everyone else said please do not breed them. I think pugs are very hard to find homes for but that's just me. I would have them spayed and neutered. I work at my local animal shelter and I am not trying to be negative but I see unwanted puppies from litters every day - sure you may think you have the best home possible for them but they could end up in a shelter. it happens.

it's better that you don't breed them in my honest opinion unless they are show quality and you do lots of research before you breed them, but still I don't think you should breed them. there are enough unwanted pups and dogs in shelters including pugs that need homes already. kittens and cats, too.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Miagi's_Mommy View Post
they are very cute but like everyone else said please do not breed them. I think pugs are very hard to find homes for but that's just me. I would have them spayed and neutered. I work at my local animal shelter and I am not trying to be negative but I see unwanted puppies from litters every day - sure you may think you have the best home possible for them but they could end up in a shelter. it happens.

it's better that you don't breed them in my honest opinion unless they are show quality and you do lots of research before you breed them, but still I don't think you should breed them. there are enough unwanted pups and dogs in shelters including pugs that need homes already. kittens and cats, too.
And ditto what everyone else said...
post #16 of 23
Awww!!!!! a little black one!!!! How exciting!
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjk5900 View Post
I don't plan on going into this uninformed.

I will find out all I need to do first.


Sorry if some of you don't approve, but my pups will go to good homes of people I know and keep in touch with or not at all.
It would still be several months from now.

I know you mean well, but
PLEASE!! I really don't want any more negative comments.
If you don't have something nice to say, ...........
Nobody said anything mean. It's just not what you want to hear.

I know you were just trying to show off your beautiful new baby, but you can't be upset that people are going to ask questions about your motives for breeding. I doubt that anyone on this forum is going to support your decision to do so. I don't think any of us are anti-breeding, just anti-backyard-breeding (which is exactly what you would be doing).
post #18 of 23
adorable!
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sakura View Post
Nobody said anything mean. It's just not what you want to hear.

I know you were just trying to show off your beautiful new baby, but you can't be upset that people are going to ask questions about your motives for breeding. I doubt that anyone on this forum is going to support your decision to do so. I don't think any of us are anti-breeding, just anti-backyard-breeding (which is exactly what you would be doing).
I agree 100%
post #20 of 23
If you're going to breed, at least call the breeder you got the dogs from and let them know. A reputable breeder won't let you do anything considered "backyard breeding" but they will help you out in getting into proper breeding in the future if it's what you want to do
Also, you may have signed something that you didn't read entirely, or missed a part where it says the animal must be spayed or neutered... It's just that if the breeder found out, you could lose your dogs, and their puppies! Which would be really horrible.
I'm not condemning your decision at all, just want to make sure you know what you're doing =]
I personally don't approve of breeding without being registered or wanting to improve the breed... But that's because I go to the shelter and I think... there are so many unwanted animals in the world, and if someone's looking for a pet they should be going there rather than to their friend whose dog is having puppies.

Just my opinion.


They're such adorable little pugs! I've always wanted a cutie like that
post #21 of 23
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I don't plan on going into this uninformed.

I will find out all I need to do first.
So I assume then you'll have both his and hers hips xrayed for hip dysplasia? You're also going to check for any heart defects as well?

I think your dogs are adorable, but you're breeding them for the wrong reasons. I hope you realize a lot of pugs have problems birthing, many have puppies by c-section [although not as common as in Bulldogs, which is a common thing]. Also it's quite common for the moms to not be so motherly. We've had 3 clients at our clinic whose pug mommy's wanted nothing to do with the babies. The first two litters, they only had 2-3 pups so not a big deal, but the last one had 5 puppies and she had to bottle feed all of them round clock. This is all providing she doesn't have complications and not even make it through the birth.

I'm not trying to be nasty, just being honest. If you were breeding quality dogs, to improve the breed, and to bring out better dogs for the better of the breed, that's one thing. But breeding dogs because you can is really quite pointless. The 3-5 puppies your dog has is taking the homes of 3-5 shelter dogs who will be euthanized, or even 3-5 pugs in Pug RESCUES because nobody wanted them.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Plebayo View Post
So I assume then you'll have both his and hers hips xrayed for hip dysplasia? You're also going to check for any heart defects as well?

I think your dogs are adorable, but you're breeding them for the wrong reasons. I hope you realize a lot of pugs have problems birthing, many have puppies by c-section [although not as common as in Bulldogs, which is a common thing]. Also it's quite common for the moms to not be so motherly. We've had 3 clients at our clinic whose pug mommy's wanted nothing to do with the babies. The first two litters, they only had 2-3 pups so not a big deal, but the last one had 5 puppies and she had to bottle feed all of them round clock. This is all providing she doesn't have complications and not even make it through the birth.

I'm not trying to be nasty, just being honest. If you were breeding quality dogs, to improve the breed, and to bring out better dogs for the better of the breed, that's one thing. But breeding dogs because you can is really quite pointless. The 3-5 puppies your dog has is taking the homes of 3-5 shelter dogs who will be euthanized, or even 3-5 pugs in Pug RESCUES because nobody wanted them.

Thanks for that...I wanted to put that in but was waiting on a call back from my friend who breeds pugs that I posted about earlier...She has trouble with her pugs some simply do not want to be a mother-she has 4 breeding females now she had 6 she lost 2 due to complications after a c-section She and I both cried it was a sad time. Pugs arent easy dogs and she has received calls from the local shelter who know her very well about her pugs being dropped off when the cute puppy phase wore off...and these are people who passed an extensive adoptive application and even signed that they would bring the puppy back should they be unable to keep it
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by pjk5900 View Post
Sorry if some of you don't approve, but my pups will go to good homes of people I know and keep in touch with or not at all.
It would still be several months from now.
Um don't you mean several years from now? You can't even test and certify their hips accurately until they are around 2 years, plus you will have to do other tests as well. I sure hope you don't just wait a few MONTHS to breed them. What are you going to do in the mean time when they male is ready to go and the female is in heat but they aren't old enough to breed yet? That will be tough to keep them apart.

Your puppies are cute and I have no problem with breeding, but working at a rescue shelter I cringe at the thought of backyard breeding like this. Please do it right and contact the breeder of BOTH dogs to make sure it is okay and see if they can help you. Assuming you got them from a QUALITY breeder not just someone who picked up two opposite sex dogs and decided to throw them together and sell the puppies. AND health screen them for hips and elbows and eyes and patellas and whatever other problems are common in the Pug breed.

Another thing to remember is that breeders make no money or barely break even. They usually lose money because they are breeding because they love the breed and want to improve it with their two excellent examples of the breed. If you are making money from breeding or want to do this with the idea of making money then just stop right now because you are absolutely in it for the wrong reasons.
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