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Feeding raw...questions!

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hello,
Ive been reading about raw for dogs and cats for quite a while now but I havent felt comfortable with the idea of including the bones of an entire chicken in my cats food. I mean, if my cat did happen to catch and eat a chicken Im pretty sure he wouldnt be chomping down thigh bones. So I was looking for info on it last night and found this site http://www.felinefuture.com and I like what they have to say. They dont suggest using bones because chicken or rabbit bones dont compare to mice or bird bones. I totally agree. Has anyone heard of this product, what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
post #2 of 29
some use that supplement ...

If your thinking about raw PLEASE find a VET who either know s about raw and how to do it CORRECTLY or one willing to help you or learn...

Many cats actually do eat the raw bones ... it is preferred to bone meal or calcium carbonate IMHO .... Rabbit needs added taurine otherwise can be a base meat
post #3 of 29
Hello

I raw feed my dogs but my kittens haven't taken on to it. Cats basically do better with whole prey such as mice and birds and rabbits. They must be given a variety and an organ 2 to 3 times a week (due to their need for taurine).

That sounds like a great food link you sent but beware....it tends to cost more to buy raw than to prepare at home.
post #4 of 29
I was afraid to feed bones too but think of it this way. If your cat was wandering around what would it eat? Surely it would catch a bird or mouse and eat it whole (including bones). If your cat was in the wild right now (s)he wouldn't have the time or machines to grind up meats. Raw food is to simulate what your animal would eat in the wild. If you are afraid of feeding whole bones you could try the BARF method. Honestly I prefer prey model.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by sober_drunkenes View Post
Hello

I raw feed my dogs but my kittens haven't taken on to it. Cats basically do better with whole prey such as mice and birds and rabbits. They must be given a variety and an organ 2 to 3 times a week (due to their need for taurine).

That sounds like a great food link you sent but beware....it tends to cost more to buy raw than to prepare at home.
CATs DONT need variety that is a DOG thing ......

Premade can run about 30-50% more than home done but in some cases is better ( I got meat organ bone and veggies mixes from my vet for 8 $ for 5lbs .. try buying 3-4lbs of meat for that) ..... I used premade meat with organ bases and added the other stuff per animal needs ... WHOLE prey vs grd is a good debate topic for IMO

Where are my manners .. WELCOME TO TCS both of YOU
post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 
Its not exactly the bones that I am worried about, its just that chicken bones arent the kind of bones they would be eating in the wild. If I was grinding a whole chicken I would grind it very fine so I wouldnt have to stress over it every time I fed my cat. Ive found two recipes for completely home made - http://www.catinfo.org/makingcatfood.htm & http://www.holisticat.com/rawrecipe.html which are basically the same and look pretty easy. I also cant decide if I should grind a whole chicken or just thighs? Any info that anyone has to share would be appreciated! Ive read so much about it that I feel almost confident about it, it wouldnt be a big deal at all if I didnt have supplements to deal with, Im a little worried about choosing the right ones.
post #7 of 29
Whole is best as you get all the right balence ... THE supplement issue is why I URGE anyone wanting to do raw to consult a QUALIFIED vet
post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 
They dont have good vets in my area. They still push Science Diet up here.
post #9 of 29
May I ask what part of WA you are I am in North Idaho and have at least vets within 20 miles that are holistic or holistic minded
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
I live near the Canadian border, Spokane is about 2 hours away.
post #11 of 29
Is it true that Tomado's are dangerous to cats, An arctical on the raw website said it was a member of the nightshade family?
post #12 of 29
Sharky made a valid point about a whole chicken vs. thighs. From a practical standpoint, I prefer thighs though...for a couple of reasons.

I wasn't happy with the meat/bone ratio when doing a whole chicken. Granted, I took the breasts off but not very gracefully so I didn't really take that much meat away from the cat food by doing that. With the catinfo/catnutrition recipe, once the liquid is added, the final product is darn close to 10% bone when using thighs.

On the same note, when I do this I make a pile of meat and a pile of bones....so I can grind the bones very fine. I do grind the meat, but w/a different plate that leaves it slightly chunky at least. I don't have it in me to chunk up 15 lbs of meat by hand (yeah, I have quite a few cats) and besides, the cats eat the coarsely ground meat with no fussing. Chunks, ehhh - they're not sure about them...other than the ones they are happy to steal while I'm working on the food.

The point I was trying to make there is that the thighs have the added bonus of being super easy for me to debone. Snip, snip, snip - done. The whole chicken was a major pain for me to do that with.
post #13 of 29
Both the dog and the cats get tomato - they are NOT poisoneous - maybe the green part is, but not the part you do eat
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by MonaxLisa View Post
I live near the Canadian border, Spokane is about 2 hours away.
There is a holistic minded vet in the Sanpt Bonners area ... is that too far to go>>???
post #15 of 29
I'm not sure, depends on how much you want to spend on gas, ect. I dont live over there,but have close acess to an all natural pet food store on 1752 grand.

I don't drive, cannot because I'm legally blind in my right eye from underdelvoped opic nurves.. No gas/car issues for me
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
I just checked the online maps and Sand Point is almost 3 hours away, so yes, a little too far to go.
post #17 of 29
You could go to www.Bravo.com an order raw there, its pre-made.
post #18 of 29
Wrong site you have to find it yourself
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
I dont want to order pre made, I think its way too expensive plus I love to cook and even though its not exactly cooking I would still enjoy fixing up food for my cats. Im weird, I cant help it! : )
post #20 of 29
PM me and I will send some VET basic recipes
post #21 of 29
I feed my cat raw Tilapia sometimes....just a little bit though. Is this healthy?
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by distillednikki View Post
I feed my cat raw Tilapia sometimes....just a little bit though. Is this healthy?
In the USA the idea is NO RAW fish due to parasites ... In some other countrys it is okay


MonaxLisa I will talk to a vet out of Spokane and see if there is anyone in your area
post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 
I just bought fish for myself the other day, from the grocery store so it ought to be at least sort of fresh. So Im slicing it up and I look down and there is a worm in it! So personally, I wouldnt feed raw fish.
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MonaxLisa I will talk to a vet out of Spokane and see if there is anyone in your area
Thanks! I would almost bet money that there isnt one in my area but Ill keep my fingers crossed
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 
Alright, here is the recipe Im thinking of trying. Any helpful input would be great!

One whole chicken (about 5lbs..skin included?) Meat chunked or coarse ground, bones ground fine.
Included organs (about 6-8 ounces worth per 5lbs)
1/2 - 3/4 cup veg, like broccoli, spinach?, or tinned pumpkin?
3 egg yolks, maybe cooked whites
3500 - 4000 MG Taurine
Vit E (One little capsule added at serving time)
150 - 200 MG B complex (1-2 capsules per chicken)
appropirate dose of Nzymes
Water/Broth

Alright, let me have it
post #25 of 29
I will hopefully talk with the vet this wed .... I will ask the main one on Monday... PM me a slightly better location of you...

It looks good You might need a general vitamin to cover bases
post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 
Any news? I was thinking of adding some different veggies (carrots etc) but I dont think it would be enough for kitty to get enough vitamins from it.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by MonaxLisa View Post
Any news? I was thinking of adding some different veggies (carrots etc) but I dont think it would be enough for kitty to get enough vitamins from it.
Sorry ... no news since appt was moved off weds.... the joy of two vets...

carrots add in beta carotene ( unfortuanatley cats dont synthisis it ) , c and some of antioxidents...
post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
Well I really want to get my little fellow started on raw so I was looking through that Natural Cat book (I have a 1990 edition) and I didnt like her recipe (20% veg and 20% grain?!!) and also her recipe didnt mention anything about bones (which would be just great) or organ meat...or Taurine. It just said ground chicken or whatever. But she did mention a Vita-Mineral Mix, anyone ever tried this? Also, anyone ever tried grinding bones with a hand grinder? Im not sure I even want to try. Anyhow, I really need to get these vitamins figured out so I can get this started, Im thinking I might just use chicken thighs to start with, once I get the hang of things I can progress to whole chickens. Oh, I was also wondering about variety, Im not sure I can get much more then chicken (no rabbits or anything) will a chicken diet be a problem, do I need to find something else to mix in once or twice a week? It'd be just swell if there was a set recipe to follow, its so confusing!
post #29 of 29
PM me I will send some BASIC raw recipes and a few web sites:_)
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