Please HELP, my Bengal is up Meowing ALL night

Renovia, I don't understand your statement

""i would NOT go by what your vet says. just contact the cattery. i'm sure they will be much nicer.""

I DID call the Cattery and it's the CATTERY that is demanding me to surrender the Cat back to the CATTERY.

Cheetera-the cat is yours. You do not have to surrender it. Don't contact the cattery again. Their beef will be with party they sold it to. I almost jumped in when people were advising you to contact the cattery and said don't do it-wish i had. yes there are catteries who would be upset over losing rights to an F2 breeding female. But how shady that they would have placed her intact in a pet home to begin with, even in a co-own deal. F2's do not make for great pets, as you are discovering. Your girl actually sounds extremely well-socialised for an F2, not neglected or abused in any way.
It sounds like you have opened the door for these breeders to now harass you about the cat. And by contacting them you may have acknowledged they have some prior claim they have on the animal.
This is really a great example of why folks who want a bengal should ONLY consider acquiring a pet SBT kitten from a REPUTABLE cattery to avoid these kinds of situations.
Continuing to try to talk sense to the cattery person will likely only result in more heartache and hassle for you. If they were reasonable I would suggest you ask them to provide you a pet kitten in exchange for their female returned, but it sounds like they are not open to negotiation.
I am so sorry this happened to you-your bengal experience should focus on loving and enjoying your new cat, not dealing with complex legalities and threats from angry people. Once you spay this cat, they likely will no longer be interested in having her back at all. But they are out an F2 breeding female-probably a big financial loss. Wow, sweetheart, this is a mess. Good luck to you!

Oh NO!!!! I am so sorry you are going through this!!!


I can only say that if I was in your situation, I would immediately spay my Bengal and never contact the cattery again. NEVER!!!

It may be the wrong thing to do and not a popular opinion around here but it's what I would do!

Personally, I would return the cat to the cattery even though it may be difficult for you to part with her. Most breeders insist that cats are returned to them if the owners are unable to keep them, and this seems to be a special case with the cat being an F2 and being sold on a breeding contract. If I had sold someone a cat and they sold it on rather than returned it to me I would be mad, regardless of any special circumstances. It sounds like the people who sold you the cat had no right to sell her to you. The contract of sale between the cattery and the original owner may well have stated that the cat could not be sold on.

OMG what a mess, I am sooooo lost at what to do morally, as silly as it sounds I do NOT want another kitten (Nor do I even think the cattery would offer that in return for Chee) but we LOVE this cat, she has such a sweet spirit about her and she is sooo good natured. I know maybe I am "suppose" to give his Cat back but I feel as though I haven't do anything wrong, I didn't sell her against a contract I just bought her off of someone kwim? Were do my responsibilities lay other then to take care of and love this kitty with all our hearts? I know some say I should return her but I don't want to. Man I don't know what to do.

UrbanTigers- I understand your point, although I really don't think that our friend here is at fault.... therefore Cheetara shouldn't have to pay the consequences.

The person who sold the cat to Cheetara should have to pay the fees/consequences for selling the cat. Cheetara didn't sign any agreement (did you???) with either the breeder or with the person she bought it from.

At the VERY least.... the person who sold the cat to Cheetara should refund her money and take the cat back (either to own or to give to the breeder). Bottom line- Cheetara shouldn't come out-of-pocket for this mishap. She was just trying to do the right thing!!

Then, once you get your money back, find a reputable breeder and get a kitty the "right" way and I'm sure your daughter will love it, too.

I'm so sorry that all of this is happening simply because you were asking a question about kitty crying! Who knew!

I would contact a lawyer and see what your rights are regarding this cat. Only then would I even consider giving the cat back.

Good luck and best wishes!

Tricia

See this is what KILLS me, I *thought* I did go about getting her properly, I was originally looking for a young adolescence cat (not quite a kitten) a cat that was bred from a cattery not a back yard breeder, a healthy cat that was up to date with all their shots and a sweet soul. I found ALL this in Cheetara and so I felt that she was meant to be my cat. The previous owner said he needed to find her a new home do to personal problems and I didnt' question him, I took him at his word and thought I had found the prefect cat for my family, and other then the night meowing she is PERFECT in every way. I was so concerned about my childrens health when I was looking for the *perfect* cat that I have been looking for months and finally decided on Cheetara, and now like Leslie said I am going through all this simply for asking about a meowing problem. I am still so at a loss of what I am going to do.

Originally Posted by urbantigers

Personally, I would return the cat to the cattery even though it may be difficult for you to part with her. Most breeders insist that cats are returned to them if the owners are unable to keep them, and this seems to be a special case with the cat being an F2 and being sold on a breeding contract. If I had sold someone a cat and they sold it on rather than returned it to me I would be mad, regardless of any special circumstances. It sounds like the people who sold you the cat had no right to sell her to you. The contract of sale between the cattery and the original owner may well have stated that the cat could not be sold on.

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A contract is a contract, regardless. If the original owner has broken the contract, that cat should go back to the breeder.

I'm sorry that you've gotten attached and had to go through this, and also sorry that the cattery was so rude, but I can understand them being upset to get your call.

By the way - Meridian Cattery is offering a retired queen, Jewel, a gorgeous girl, up for adoption. You might want to contact TCS member Kai Bengals and see if you can adopt her? Especially as you have no other cats, am I correct in that? Jewel will need spoiling, as she is accustomed to very good treatment.

Well see while I understand a contract is a contract, it wasn't MY contract, I didn't sign anything. And you saying you can understand the cattery being upset by my call then why did so many people tell me to call the cattery in the first place?

I really am very very devestated and heartbroken by this, I don't care at all about any of the money I put out for her I only care about MY cat.

also I am in Canada and I don't think Kai is in Canada, so I don't think it would be possible for me to purchase a queen from him, and yes Chee is the ONLY cat, the only other animal I have is a budgie.

I really am so so sorry for what you're having to go through here. You were definitely doing everything with the best of intentions- for the cat and for your family- and obviously "bad things happen to good people".

If you can't make it work out with your kitty, I agree that Nial's retired queen (from Meridian) would be an excellent choice. I had the pleasure of hanging out with those guys this past weekend at a cat show in Raleigh. They have gorgeous cats and they are very nice people who take very good care of their animals. You couldn't go wrong with them.

Regardless, I can see that you're in a tough spot. I mean, personally I dont' feel that you should be held to the former contract UNLESS you had signed some sort of "related" document with the person you bought it from. Obviously, like others have stated, you could talk to a lawyer about this if you felt inclined. The person who sold you the cat broke their contract and they should be held liable, with the breeder, according to what the contract states. It should end there..... In my opinion. I can see why they are upset, but they should be upset with the person they had the contract with- not you. I mean, let's say someone steals your CD player... and then they sell it on Ebay. Would it be proper to press charges against the Ebay buyer? No- they didn't do anything.... The person who stole your CD player should be held responsible for what they did.

If I felt REALLY strongly about the cat- then I would fight for it (making the points mentioned above)... and then get a lawyer involved if it absolutely came down to it. If you are a non-confrontational person, then it might be best for everyone's "nerves" to return the cat and attempt to get your money back from the seller. Then buy a cat (with a lovely contract attached- such as the retired queen from Meridian) and live happily ever after.

I'm just so sorry that you're in this mess. I empathize with you dearly.

PS- I just saw your post that said you're in Canada. I'm a member on Facebook with a bunch of Bengal owners in Canada. I might talk to them and ask around about good breeders up there. What part of Canada are you from? Who is the breeder you were dealing with? (You can PM me with that information if you dont want to "share with the class")

Originally Posted by Cheetara

Renovia, I don't understand your statement

""i would NOT go by what your vet says. just contact the cattery. i'm sure they will be much nicer.""

I DID call the Cattery and it's the CATTERY that is demanding me to surrender the Cat back to the CATTERY.

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sorry, for some reason i saw 'vet'....

Originally Posted by Cheetara

And you saying you can understand the cattery being upset by my call then why did so many people tell me to call the cattery in the first place?

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dear, i'm sorry you are upset but try not to get mad that one person says they understand why the cattery got angry and then blame all the other members who advised to contact the cattery.....it's a double edged sword.

Originally Posted by Leslie301

If I felt REALLY strongly about the cat- then I would fight for it (making the points mentioned above)... and then get a lawyer involved if it absolutely came down to it. If you are a non-confrontational person, then it might be best for everyone's "nerves" to return the cat and attempt to get your money back from the seller. Then buy a cat (with a lovely contract attached- such as the retired queen from Meridian) and live happily ever after.

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i agree, if you feel really strongly then find out what your rights are. don't contact the cattery again. get her spayed. and if they hassle you let them know YOUR rights.

I'm one of the ones who said you should consider contacting the breeder. I didn't say you should do it but that you should consider it.

The reason mostly being that the breeder might chase up the person you bought the cat from and they then start harassing you further down the line when you're even more bonded to the cat and the situation would be even messier.

As for her being shy that's an early generation bengal cat trait. The Asian Leopard Cat that's part of the ancestor of bengal cats is a very shy reserved cat. So a throwback to the "wild" personality in bengals is usually to be very shy and reserved not to be outgoing and what we think of as wild.

You sound very attached to your girl (and understandably so) and it is a tricky situation. You've essentially bought stolen goods. I.e the person you bought your cat from didn't have any rights to sell her to you. What to do now is complicated by the fact that she's a living creature and needs to be taken good care of and it sounds like you're doing a very good job at that.

However I don't think that contacting the breeder was a huge mistake although it probably feels that way now. Odds are they would have chased the cat down eventually and you're getting the mess over with now rather than later.

Originally Posted by Siggav

You've essentially bought stolen goods.

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i don't think that at ALL. she legally purchased a pet who was legally purchased from a breeder. no one stole anything. the seller shouldn't have sold the cat, they are at fault for breaking a contract, but nothing else.

I probably wasn't clear enough, I need to read things through a bit more sometimes.

What I was trying to say is that the person she bought the cat from didn't have the rights to sell the cat. Just like if you bought something from a store that then turned out to be stolen the store wouldn't have had the rights to sell the thing to you.

In both cases you didn't do anything wrong, it's the person/store who sold you something that they didn't have the rights to sell.

yeah. that's right. the seller shouldn't have sold, didn't have 'rights' to sell so the buyer shouldn't be punished, but i don't know what rights she has/cattery has

Originally Posted by Cheetara

OMG what a mess, I am sooooo lost at what to do morally, as silly as it sounds I do NOT want another kitten (Nor do I even think the cattery would offer that in return for Chee) but we LOVE this cat, she has such a sweet spirit about her and she is sooo good natured. I know maybe I am "suppose" to give his Cat back but I feel as though I haven't do anything wrong, I didn't sell her against a contract I just bought her off of someone kwim? Were do my responsibilities lay other then to take care of and love this kitty with all our hearts? I know some say I should return her but I don't want to. Man I don't know what to do.

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Did you give the cattery your name or address? I don't think the same rules of "buying stolen property" would apply here....I think the only thing the cattery could do is go after the one that had the contract,legally. "HE" would be monetarily responsible for the loss of the kittens that she would have produced. If it were me and I loved her like you seemed to do...I'd go have her spayed and sit back and let them take me to court. They would have no use for a spayed female....and there would be nothing to hold you accountable for,other than loving the cat. Then,the only choice the cattery would have is to go after the one that had the contract. Just my unproffesional opinion. You love her! Don't let her go that easily!!

Originally Posted by Cheetara

Well see while I understand a contract is a contract, it wasn't MY contract, I didn't sign anything. And you saying you can understand the cattery being upset by my call then why did so many people tell me to call the cattery in the first place?

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Because it was the CORRECT thing to do, even if you aren't happy with the outcome.

If I were the breeder, I would be beyond angry that someone I sold a cat with breeding rights to would privately give or sell the cat to someone else instead of honoring the contract.

While they should not have been rude to you - for doing the right thing by calling them - I can see why they would be upset.

Upset? Yes.... But let's not forget who they should be upset with. If I were the breeder, I too would be VERY unhappy. But our friend here isn't at fault. The breeder should be (and probably is) furious with the seller. The breeder should not be upset with Cheetara. She walked into their mess blindly.....

(By the way, I keep assuming that you are a "she", Cheetara. Please correct me if I'm wrong! )