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post #31 of 44
I know you said you don't think it's about food but.....

We have an automatic feeder for our girls' dry food. It feeds them at 6am and 7pm, every day. And in the evenings, they get a bit of wet food. So they really don't associate us with food, and definitely don't wake us up looking for food.

We also ignore any demands for attention while we're trying to sleep (unless it's Lily, since she's so shy and sweet and I'm a sucker for her mew ). I have a water bottle by the bed for when they're driving me nuts, and I just need to shake it and they stop, and run off. I don't buy the theory that it traumatises cats. Ours just know the water bottle means to stop doing what they're doing. So if the bill works for you, then do it consistently - shake it when he's being noisy - and every time or he'll just get confused about what he's allowed to do - and maybe try to not to feed them in the middle of the night. Even if they don't want food, they probably see it as part of their routine.
post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by twstychik View Post
Do you have anything to back this? I'm not trying to be difficult but almost everything I've read says that dry kibble does NOTHING to improve dental condition... thats what tooth brushing is for.
Or RMBs. They keep teeth clean very well.


People have already said it--but your first problem is that you are reinforcing his behavior. He wants you up, you get up, and then reward him for waking you with food. He sees that it works and it goes on. Saying "just don't get up" is sooooo easy in theory, but I have one that wakes you up for food and attention, and I know it's not that easy.

My suggestion: play like crazy right before you go to bed, get your kitty cat tired out, and crate him. Give him a little food in his crate and stick some toys around (I like to stick them in the bars, mine have a ball working them out). This is what we've done with Emma, the attention hog, and it's worked very well so far. She knows playtime --> dinnertime --> crate time.

I crate both her and Chili beside each other and stick some toys and stuff for them. They fall right asleep, and sometimes when I've stayed up reading, I've seen they really do sleep soundly throughout most of the night. They wake me up around 5-6am banging on cages. I always wait to let them out until they've stopped, though.
post #33 of 44
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I don't think cats need wet food, dry food is better for their teeth.

Dental disease a major cause of lots of other diseases in cats.
Well I hardly ever feed soft food, if I did its just to kittens and the cats will sometimes get it, but one of my cats has bad teeth, I think its genetics.

And I agree I don’t think the water bottle is traumatizing to cats, but I do think it can be traumatizing to kittens, because they haven’t really bonded with you and they don’t really understand when they do something wrong. They just see you as lashing out for no reason. However as they get to 6 months they grow a bond with you and they start to understand “training†that you only do cretin things when they do cretin things. Maybe that is the misunderstanding.

my cat usto do that, and she still does from time to time, I just keep pushing her away and she gets it, but now she is so lazy I can't get out of bed, we both like to sleep in together.

Another idea no one has mentioned is his behavior may be cause by lack of attention during the day. I don’t know but do you and your husband work full time? Maybe he sleeps all day and then wants to spend more time with you in the evening, since cats are nactornal he doesn’t understand why you don’t want to keep getting up. and he is not quite old enough to just be lazy with you. Like my cat was, but with age it went away.

I know people do this with dogs and I don’t really see too many differences with cats emotions from dogs, even our emotions are very much the same. but people will get babysitters for their dogs during the day, people will only do it with dogs because dogs will rip apart your house during the day. But cats will just sleep when no one is home, that doesn’t mean he is still not experiencing separation anxiety. but if he has separation anxiety that might be the reason he keeps waking you up, not food. But the fact that you used to give him food was still an act of attention, good attention, bad attention, its all attention and that is what he wants… I bet.
I bet I bet =^.^=
post #34 of 44
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People have already said it--but your first problem is that you are reinforcing his behavior. He wants you up, you get up, and then reward him for waking you with food.
I see what you mean, you are giving him a treat for waking you up. so he thinks what he did was good. "good boy" and is doing better by gettin you up each day a bit more. lol Even if you are angry and maybe say in an angry voice “leave me alone now” its all still attention.

I feel for you baby, he must be so confused at the moment, but I know with time it will get better ^_^
post #35 of 44
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Yes, I understand that I was reinforcing this behaviour by feeding and last night went great! I think my little man is a VERY fast learner. Before I go into that I want to say that yes, we both work full time but I'm home durring my lunch hour and they both get LOTS of attention all evening after we're home from work.

So, last evening was a little different in that we went shopping after work so we actually had less time with the kits before bed... but it went great! We went to bed and Wickett tried to get me up around 3:15 (later than usual) so I shook the bill and he left. At 3:30 I got up to feed them with out any prompting from him so it was an independant event. IOW, he probably didn't associate my feeding them whith his meowing. I had a little talk with him explaining that he needed to be a good boy and not wake me. I woke up at 6:45 on my own and he was on his look-out in the spare bed room patiently waiting for me. Now, I'm hoping that I can progressivly work toward feeding them when I get up for work but I'm afraid that if I can get Wickett to leave us alone past 5am that Frankie will come wake me... but she IS only about the food. Actually, she used to be our alarm clock until Wickett started beating her to it.
post #36 of 44
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Well, I actually slept ALL night last night. Wickett didn't get mouthy and obnoxious until about 6:40 am which is just before my alarm goes off but I was actually awake (of my own accord) at 6:30. So, when I went down to feed them I gave him lots of extra praise for waiting!
post #37 of 44
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Originally Posted by twstychik View Post
Well, I actually slept ALL night last night. Wickett didn't get mouthy and obnoxious until about 6:40 am which is just before my alarm goes off but I was actually awake (of my own accord) at 6:30. So, when I went down to feed them I gave him lots of extra praise for waiting!
Wow! That was a pretty quick turnaround!
post #38 of 44
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Wow! That was a pretty quick turnaround!
I only hope it lasts. He's a smart little boy even if he is a spaz! I think if I can stay consistent between now and when we leave for our wedding/honeymoon that he'll get the idea. Then when we're gone he'll have no one to wake up. I do have a friend coming to check up on them and play with them but she won't be staying nights.
post #39 of 44
Do you think he might be sick instead of it being a behavior problem?? What you described is really bizarre and I don't know of any cats who go to those extremes unless they have something physically wrong and they're trying to tell you.

I dunno...I'm no cat expert but it just seems weird that he's so well fed but would hound you relentlessly all night except maybe he's not digesting the food well or something. Worms? disease? Is he getting into something you don't know about?

I also disagree on the "wet food" thing. Like any other creature, cats get their hydration from water, not from food. But the nice thing about cats is that they never eat more than they need, that's why I keep my cats' dishes filled all the time with dry food, fresh water in a clean dish at least 2 times a day. They chow whenever they want but never eat more than a little bit every couple of hours. They are very healthy and lean. Fresh meat is always a treat too...I give them crumbled up hot dogs or chicken a few times a month. Oh and if you like to cook whole chickens, always cook up those giblet bags (don't throw them away!) Heart, liver, gizzards...they LOVE those! I saw my old girl take down a bluejay once and drag it into the bushes...I think bluejay is her favorite treat
post #40 of 44
I think her cat's fine (unless she really does see signs of trouble), and just needed a little guidance - which seems to have done the trick! I will disagree with some others here though, because a) dry food has been proven NOT to necessarily be any better for teeth - even if it sounds like it should, and b) canned is more nutritious, all things being equal, and it fills them up better. Obviously you have to use common sense and pick good canned stuff, and try to not pick dry with empty calories too, but after they have no choice about their food except to make it obvious that they like this food or that, so giving them both, and occasionally changing flavors, would seem like a good idea and they can then choose how much of which ones they like better. And BTW, it is also NOT true that they'll only eat 'enough' and not too much - have you never seen an overweight cat? There are so many it's awful, and if the food tastes good they'll eat it!
post #41 of 44
PS - killing birds is not funny!
post #42 of 44
I don't know if anyone has suggested it yet, but you might try just ignoring him when he meows. It will be hard at first but eventually he will learn not to disturb you at night. My cat only meows and bangs at the door when he can sense that I'm not asleep. He's got some good senses about that. I usually don't let them sleep in the bedroom with me, because I know Wesley will wake me up a few times at night.
post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by Gizzysgrandma View Post
Do you think he might be sick instead of it being a behavior problem?? What you described is really bizarre and I don't know of any cats who go to those extremes unless they have something physically wrong and they're trying to tell you.

I dunno...I'm no cat expert but it just seems weird that he's so well fed but would hound you relentlessly all night except maybe he's not digesting the food well or something. Worms? disease? Is he getting into something you don't know about?
I know plenty of cats who go to extremes in several different aspects. I'm sure he's NOT ill... I feel very confident that I know my cat and his behavior has not changed. Oh, and if you read the WHOLE thread you'll notice that a little deterrent and he's doing much better.

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I also disagree on the "wet food" thing. Like any other creature, cats get their hydration from water, not from food. But the nice thing about cats is that they never eat more than they need, that's why I keep my cats' dishes filled all the time with dry food, fresh water in a clean dish at least 2 times a day. They chow whenever they want but never eat more than a little bit every couple of hours. They are very healthy and lean. Fresh meat is always a treat too...I give them crumbled up hot dogs or chicken a few times a month. Oh and if you like to cook whole chickens, always cook up those giblet bags (don't throw them away!) Heart, liver, gizzards...they LOVE those! I saw my old girl take down a bluejay once and drag it into the bushes...I think bluejay is her favorite treat
Well, you said it... your no cat expert! Ask ank feline nutritionist and they will tell you that wet food or a raw diet are essential to a cat as that IS how they get most of their fluids... not from water. It's also NOT true that cats' stop eating when they should. There are plenty of obese cats in the world because they eat too much. It's also not a great idea to let your cat eat wildlife. Not only is it not funny but what if they eat a rodent that's been poisoned! Or a bird that is sick?! Hot dogs aren't a great idea for a treat either... there's so many additives and junk in them. Of course, I NEVER asked for feeding advice either. I asked for behavior advice... which I've gotten and it's worked!
post #44 of 44
I go to bed around 10 PM, watch tv for a while and fall asleep. I leave my door open enough for the cats to come in. Every night shortly after I get in bed, Sweetie starts meowing lots outside the open door. I call her and she comes in and deposits her pink mouse on the bed. She then leaves. Sometimes in the middle of the night she'll come back and take the mouse and sometimes its still in bed in the morning. When she meows and I call her its like she was asking permission to come in. As far as food, cats need wet food. As I said in a post yesterday, Sweetie will overeat as long as the wet food is in her bowl, she'll eat it. Then she vomits. So I only give a 3 oz. pouch twice daily, at 6:30 AM and 5:30 PM with free feeding of dry always. Sweetie prefers wet and Juno dry. But Juno loves the gravy from the pouches. To the pouch I do add about 2 tsp. water this is to make sure Juno gets enough water. Dental health is not dependent upon dry food, but each cat has their own preference. If you have changed your cat's night habits fantastic. But as the other posters have said, you have spoiled your kittie. Good luck
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