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QUESTION- When is it TOO LOUD???

post #1 of 28
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Okay I have a question for you guys who can hear!

If you are on a 2nd floor apt of a complex and you can FEEL music through the carpeted floor, walls and bookshelves... does that mean the music is WAY TOO LOUD???

It bugs me a bit but I CAN live with it. However, I'm worried about how it'll affect my cats' hearing..

Will it hurt my cats hearing music this LOUD?? SERIOUSLY..... I tried to call my apt maintence but they said no one is available on weekends to come and ask whoever is playing musiic to turn it down.

I cannot identify where it is coming from (which apt) cuz I'm deaf but I KNOW music is on and it's LOUD....

I know this is STRANGE- a deaf person complaining about music being too loud. but I am sensitive to vibrations. Heck as I sit here on my ottoman, I can feel music thru the desk, ottoman and carpet! Jeez....
post #2 of 28
If you can feel it like that i'd say it was loud Pamela. I don't think it would harm the cats hearing though unless they were in the actual room where the musics being played.

We have people from our local council that are on call at all times for things like that because that's when most people have parties.

What do your other neighbours say about it all because it must be awful for them?
post #3 of 28
I don't think intermittent exposure will hurt their ears...heck, my cats listen to me practice flute 4 hours a day and they're fine! It's sort of like people who go to a few rock concerts...their hearing may be temporarily damaged, but it heals and goes back to being normal.

You're more patient than I am...if it became a regular thing, I'd call the cops so fast! Even if I were only feeling vibrations, I'd still feel like my space was being invaded to some degree. And my landlord has this nasty habit of being nonconfrontational, hence the cops.
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by Rosiemac View Post
If you can feel it like that i'd say it was loud Pamela. I don't think it would harm the cats hearing though unless they were in the actual room where the musics being played.

We have people from our local council that are on call at all times for things like that because that's when most people have parties.

What do your other neighbours say about it all because it must be awful for them?
I don't really know any of my neighbors- I keep to myself pretty much here besides saying hi, good morning, etc. The neighborhood here isn't too great so that's why I don't really socialize much with neighbors... I really do wonder about other neigbors- if this bothers them too. This is NOT the first time I've called maintence about it.

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I don't think intermittent exposure will hurt their ears...heck, my cats listen to me practice flute 4 hours a day and they're fine! It's sort of like people who go to a few rock concerts...their hearing may be temporarily damaged, but it heals and goes back to being normal.

You're more patient than I am...if it became a regular thing, I'd call the cops so fast! Even if I were only feeling vibrations, I'd still feel like my space was being invaded to some degree. And my landlord has this nasty habit of being nonconfrontational, hence the cops.
I am getting a bit frustrated. It's not the first time I have felt this music. I finally called maintence a while ago to ask for someone to come find out who and ask him/her to turn music down. A couple days ago copies of a letter was posted on all our doors and there was a paragraph about security service and common complaints such as loud music playing so I guess if the music continues to bother me in an hour or so, I'll call security and see if they can do something.

I just feel a bit silly complaining because the first time this happened, I personally drove over to the business office and communicated that music was being played too loud.. The ppl there were looking at me like "huh?? you cannot hear but music is too loud? Well, then go to the apt and tell them to turn it down.." I explained that I cannot identify where the music is coming from and needed someone to go and identify where and solve that. After a long time of writing back and forth again and again, finally someone agreed to go over with me and of course by the time we got to my apt, there was no music on! I felt like a FOOL!!!! The guy was looking at me like I was crazy and I said I KNOW music was on LOUD but I guess they turned it off before we got back!

So that's why I thought I'd post here and see if the music IS too loud for hearing people if you can feel it through the floor, furniture and walls. Thanks.. Now I know the music is too loud. I'll wait a bit longer and if the music is still on in an hour or so I'll call security.
post #5 of 28
I wouldn't worry about it hurting you cats hearing. I have to admit, I've lived out in the country long enough to always play my music pretty loud. It's not hurt any of mine in 25 years. They are used to it and never react when its on.

However, if you see your cats flinching, scared, or trying to hide when the music is on, then I would definitely complain to the landlord.
post #6 of 28
I think it's safe to say that you wouldn't feel it to that extent if it were not too loud -- and probably by a good margin, too. They probably also have the bass hiked way up -- often the case in "too loud" situations -- and that as much as anything is what is causing the vibration.

At any rate, even if you can't hear the actual music, the vibration is invading your space. As for your kitties, I wouldn't worry. Music played too loud in another apartment is an annoyance, to be sure, but the separation is sufficient that the only hearing that's likely to be at risk is that of the people in that apartment.
post #7 of 28
Yes, the music is too loud. I had this situtation in the last apartment complex I lived in. Believe it or not, it wasn't the college kids living there who wouldn't turn it down, but the old rocker guy!

Couldn't get managerment to do anything - they lived off site. So one evening, as the bass is numbing my bone marrow, I looked up tenant laws online for Oregon. Printed out the noise information and posted it on his door. It is some law about quality of livability or some such. He stopped for about a week then had to be reminded again.

It isn't right that management would tell YOU to confront them. You have to live there and should not be doing their job. Sorry, inconsiderate people are one of my pet peeves! You pay rent and should not have to be subjected to discomfort on a regular basis.
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I wouldn't worry about it hurting you cats hearing. I have to admit, I've lived out in the country long enough to always play my music pretty loud. It's not hurt any of mine in 25 years. They are used to it and never react when its on.

However, if you see your cats flinching, scared, or trying to hide when the music is on, then I would definitely complain to the landlord.
MUSIC STOPPED FINALLY!!! AHHH!!! Lol. It helps to know that it won't hurt my cats. I know I get paranoid about cats sometimes but in this situation- it's hard for me to know when it'd harm my cats since I cannot hear you know? The cats seems okay as of now.

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I think it's safe to say that you wouldn't feel it to that extent if it were not too loud -- and probably by a good margin, too. They probably also have the bass hiked way up -- often the case in "too loud" situations -- and that as much as anything is what is causing the vibration.

At any rate, even if you can't hear the actual music, the vibration is invading your space. As for your kitties, I wouldn't worry. Music played too loud in another apartment is an annoyance, to be sure, but the separation is sufficient that the only hearing that's likely to be at risk is that of the people in that apartment.
I didn't realize that bass can cuase a lot of vibration. THANKS!!

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Originally Posted by Bonnie1965 View Post
Yes, the music is too loud. I had this situtation in the last apartment complex I lived in. Believe it or not, it wasn't the college kids living there who wouldn't turn it down, but the old rocker guy!

Couldn't get managerment to do anything - they lived off site. So one evening, as the bass is numbing my bone marrow, I looked up tenant laws online for Oregon. Printed out the noise information and posted it on his door. It is some law about quality of livability or some such. He stopped for about a week then had to be reminded again.

It isn't right that management would tell YOU to confront them. You have to live there and should not be doing their job. Sorry, inconsiderate people are one of my pet peeves! You pay rent and should not have to be subjected to discomfort on a regular basis.
Yeah I was pretty frustrated with the management the first time but they have improved after that I think. I guess I just need to educate them regarding deaf people's needs and I can understand why they'd be confused because normally you wouldn't THINK a deaf person would be bothered by loud music! LOL. I don't notice this on a regular basis so I don't think they're doing it OFTEN.

It's nice to know that I am not imagining it being too loud from what you guys have told me so far! LOL.

I do have a funny story about something similar to this.. .I'll post it in the next part.
post #9 of 28
Sometimes it wasn't even the volume so much for me but having the bass cranked all the way. That is where most of the vibration comes from, I believe. The bass is what made my brain cells jellify and turn me in to some kind of lunatic
post #10 of 28
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I remember once as a teenager, my parents went out of town so it was just me and my older brother (4 years older). My brother thought it'd be the perfect time for him to play music real loud without getting in trouble with parents. I remember I was taking a bath and all of a sudden felt LOUD vibrations and beats. It freaked me out at first till I figured out what it was then I tried to ignore it but it was HARD especially if you're laying in a bathtub which is a perfect place to FEEL EVERY BEAT of the music.

I got out of the bath after a while and asked my bro to turn it down. He refused so we started arguing.. After a few minutes, a neighbor came over and knocked on the door so my bro went to answer it.. Shaun (bro) came back in and I asked what the neighbor wanted and he shrugged and said the neighbor was complaining about the music. I said "I TOLD you it was too loud! Now they'll complain to our parents!" He said, "Nah.. I told them it was you who turned the music on so they said not to worry about it. they won't complain."

I COULD NOT BELIEVE he would lie to our neighbors and that the neighbors decided not to complain after they were told that it was ME playing the music! I was furious with him for taking advantage of me being deaf.

I told on him as soon as my parents got home! LOL.. Shaun was pretty pissed at me for telling on him. Parents went over and apologized to the neighbors for Shaun playing the music too loud and the neighbors were like oh, it was no big deal...
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Bonnie1965 View Post
Sometimes it wasn't even the volume so much for me but having the bass cranked all the way. That is where most of the vibration comes from, I believe. The bass is what made my brain cells jellify and turn me in to some kind of lunatic
THAT's very interesting!!! I didn't know that bass would cause most of the vibrations. I guess I just assumed it was the whole music thing (volume, drums, beats, etc).. Can you tell I know a lot about music?? LOL
post #12 of 28
You may not be able to hear the music, but that doesn't mean you can't feel the music. Yes, I'm sure it's the bass blasting and booming through the walls that is causing the vibrations. I'm not deaf, but sometimes when I sleep, I use earplugs that can almost make you deaf, plus I use a big box fan, all of which to try to cut out the noise, so I can sleep. When the guy upstairs from me decides to blast his stereo with full bass booming, I can feel the vibrations, and it drives me insane. It doesn't bother the cats, but it does bother me. The next time these idiots put on their music with the booming bass, I'd call security if I were you, and ask them to come over to your apartment, and listen to the bass, then ask them to tell the idiots to turn down the music, AND the bass.
post #13 of 28
It could mean that they have the base up high as well.

Last year I had the neighbours from you know where living across from me. They had their music up so loud that I could not only hear it, but also feel the vibrations from it all the way across the hallway into my apartment. My floors, walls and even my windows would vibrate at times. After months and months of many letters, they were finally evicted and moved out in early December last year.

Your neighbours probably have their music loud because they know you are deaf and can't hear it. However, if you explain to them that you are sensitive to the vibrations, perhaps they would be more considerate.

Do you have a hearing friend who can come over and help you identify the source of the music?
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Pamela View Post
THAT's very interesting!!! I didn't know that bass would cause most of the vibrations. I guess I just assumed it was the whole music thing (volume, drums, beats, etc).. Can you tell I know a lot about music?? LOL
Yeah, it's the low frequencies that are the biggest problem. In fact, very low frequencies, that can't even be heard, can cause physical problems. I knew someone who was particularly sensitive to low frequencies and sometimes had to leave a room or be ill.
post #15 of 28
It's the bass that causes vibrations.

I used to go on an annual weekend outing and canoe trip with a large group of deaf folks (it was a midwest rally and there were probably about 350 people). When we would go to the local club at night, the DJ would turn the bass all the way up so that everyone could dance.

You know what I found out those weekends? That deaf people dance a lot better than hearing people. It's all about the beat and the beat comes from the bass.
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
Your neighbours probably have their music loud because they know you are deaf and can't hear it. However, if you explain to them that you are sensitive to the vibrations, perhaps they would be more considerate.
That's what I thought too. If they know you're deaf they're probably playing the music loud because you can't hear it. Just because you can't hear doesn't mean you can't feel vibrations from the bass.
post #17 of 28
It's definitely the bass that's causing the problem. I have some idiot that drives by my house about 1:30 or 2 am, nearly every night, with his stereo and bass turned up so loud that it actually rattles my windows as he passes by. I feel like calling the cops and telling them that one of these nights we're gonna have a drive by shooting. He's gonna drive by....and I'm gonna shoot him! Too bad I don't have a gun, lol!

Seriously though....if you don't get any action out of the apartment management, then you do need to call the police while it's happening. Explain that you are deaf and you cannot tell where the sound is coming from, but you can feel the vibrations. Tell them that you would like them to come out and tell the offenders that they need to turn down the stereo. There are laws about noise, and you are within your rights to have the police intervene.
post #18 of 28
Many years ago, I saw a professional deaf-dance troupe perform! They put big speakers face down on the stage floor and danced to the vibrations... it was wonderful!

But these vibrations are not wonderful. There's no reason for anyone to subject you to this. I don't know whether it's this way for others, but heavy bass vibrations like that affect my heartrate and bring on panic attacks.

Your landlord should not expect you to confront a neighbor, and in fact, the police will urge you not to, as well. It's too easy for that to turn into a dangerous situation. If your security people won't take care of it, go ahead and contact the police -- you can remain anonymous.

Before you go, you might want to write up an explanation of how it is that the noise can indeed disturb you (I wouldn't mention your cats -- they won't understand), so you can quickly bring them up to speed on why it's a problem.

I hope things settle down for you! Good luck!
post #19 of 28
We had this at our last apartment. Needless to say it was our LAST (we're renting a home now).

We basically had 2 horrendous neighbors. I could tolerate it more than boyfriend. He thought that the correct apartment living should always be honored in that you should not hear your neighbor at all I had to explain to him several times that in the "city" (he's from the country) we have access to louder things and really...just don't care.

Anyway. We reported the first guy below us to the office. Really management wants the complaint, but they won't do anything (money talks). They'll just tell you to call the police.

If you're floor is vibrating, shaking, then that's too loud. I would keep calling the police until they get the hint.
post #20 of 28
Pamela - I can sympathise! If there are too much vibrations, it makes me physically ill, so they do affect you. You have every right to complain about it! Good luck!
post #21 of 28
I don't mind loud music, but when you live in an apartment you need to be courteous of those living around you. I always have kept my music and such at a respectable level while living close to others. These people need to think of thier neighbors, and be alittle more respectful.
post #22 of 28
Where I live, you are not allowed to have anything that people can hear from outside your own apartment. Which is great, because people who don't like that would never live here

I'm so sorry that you have to deal with that. My downstairs neighbor at my last place played his music so loud at all hours that my bed shook-- and there was a whole nother apartment between us. He went to court 7 times in one semester for noise violations. You would think you'd get the hint!

Just because you can't hear it technically doesn't make it any better, the guy is still being inconsiderate! Your other neighbors are undoubtedly annoyed with it too. Nobody likes hearing the beat and some of other people's music!
post #23 of 28
Oh pamela!

Dont presume tht the music is loud!

My mother is also deaf and used to complain all the time, its just the bass doing the walls in.

Ive had my neighbour come up twice since ive lived here complaining about the music being loud, it was actually at its lowest it was just the bass mesing with the walls going boom boom boom boom!!

Cats can handle loud music they have a beter hearing than humans anyway!
post #24 of 28
If you can feel it then it is definitely too loud. We live on the third floor - and the people above are really bad at playing music far too loud. Plus the woman there lives in high heeled boots (she was tramping around in them last night at 4am!!) So yes, I would go up there and just explain your situation. You're boud to get some rolling eyes and protest, but you can call the police for breach of the peace.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by Natalie_ca View Post
Your neighbours probably have their music loud because they know you are deaf and can't hear it. However, if you explain to them that you are sensitive to the vibrations, perhaps they would be more considerate.

Do you have a hearing friend who can come over and help you identify the source of the music?
I am not sure if my neighbors know I'm deaf. I pretty much keep to myself since this is not a great neighborhood that I live in and most of the ppl here speaks and write spanish only which I do not write or speak!
Also, the few hearing friends I have lives a bit far from where I live so I do not want to ask them to come all the way over just to identify where the music is coming from..

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Originally Posted by Momofmany View Post
I used to go on an annual weekend outing and canoe trip with a large group of deaf folks (it was a midwest rally and there were probably about 350 people). When we would go to the local club at night, the DJ would turn the bass all the way up so that everyone could dance.

You know what I found out those weekends? That deaf people dance a lot better than hearing people. It's all about the beat and the beat comes from the bass.
LOL!! I used to be part of a dance group in high school but quit after injuring a knee severely in a car accident. I lost interest in music after that. I remmy once my family came to 1 of my dance concerts and overheard a couple in front of me trying to guess which dancer was deaf since they heard there was a deaf dancer. During the whole concert the couple were making guesses at who the deaf girl could be -they would pick out the lousy dancers and say that girl must be deaf.. Imagine how they must've felt after the concert when my dad leant over and told them that they guessed wrong about who the deaf gal was and pointed me out to them. They were soo shocked cuz I stayed with the beat and was a good dancer.

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Originally Posted by CarolPetunia View Post
Many years ago, I saw a professional deaf-dance troupe perform! They put big speakers face down on the stage floor and danced to the vibrations... it was wonderful!
Your landlord should not expect you to confront a neighbor, and in fact, the police will urge you not to, as well. It's too easy for that to turn into a dangerous situation. If your security people won't take care of it, go ahead and contact the police -- you can remain anonymous.
You're RIGHT- I DO NOT want to confront any of the neighbors cuz they could cause problems for me easily and especially since this is not a great neighborhood. A guy was murdered 3 buildings down about 7 months ago. I can't wait to find a home and move out!

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Originally Posted by LilleKat View Post
If you can feel it then it is definitely too loud. We live on the third floor - and the people above are really bad at playing music far too loud. Plus the woman there lives in high heeled boots (she was tramping around in them last night at 4am!!) So yes, I would go up there and just explain your situation. You're boud to get some rolling eyes and protest, but you can call the police for breach of the peace.
The problem is I do not know which neighbor is playing music too loud- there are 6 apartments in this building. I can feel the music but can't identify where it is coming from. I also do not want to confront any of the neighbors since it could cause problems later on.

The music stopped last nite so it's fine. I don't think it happens often that I notice. If it starts happening frequently or if it starts to bother me, I will call the security and ask them to help out without identifying me.
post #26 of 28
I agree it's the bass. I have been stopped at a traffic light when a car with its bass cranked up pulls up behind me. The intensity of the sounds waves was so high it almost made me nauseous. (Personally, I want to start a rumor that the sounds waves makes those men impotent. )

Have you considered getting a small/cheap tape/digital recorder for when the music gets to be too much?
post #27 of 28
I'd say yeah way too loud! Right now I can clearly hear someone's music and my house isn't shaking. Yesterday it was because some doofus was outside with their music blasting from thier car. DH has called the cops before because of it, but only at night when it's like that. I can't wait to move!
post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by gemlady View Post
I agree it's the bass. I have been stopped at a traffic light when a car with its bass cranked up pulls up behind me. The intensity of the sounds waves was so high it almost made me nauseous.
My car I drove in college didn't have a cd player, so I got a portable adapter for it. Well one day I was at a red light and a car pulled up next to me with it's base up so high it made my cd skip because it was shaking my car so bad!
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