Driving folks away with "flaming" type posts is not the best way to educate them on the reasons one should spay or neuter. Hopefully he will come back so that in future he'll have more information on what should have been done/what should now be done and Bella will not get pregnant again (if she is in fact pregnant now).
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Bella, the runaway
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Last I checked this is a public message board, he came here looking for advice, I gave it. My advice was to go be responsible and get your cat spayed.
I know this is not going to be popular, but if you cannot afford vet care and spay/neuter, you should not get a pet until you are financially able. Pets are a priviledge, not a right.
Whats the point of asking if you are not going to consider all the advice. Of course my advice is going to sound harsh when everyone else is basically coddling him, saying how unfortunate it is and whats done is done. There are ways to right your wrongs.
And to the poster who said that all the kittens would have home and wouldn't end up in shelters, I was talking about the cats in shelters who will end up euthanized because Jeremy is taking away potential homes from them with his kittens.
I hope he responds back and gives us an update
Wow, lol. So just because I'm not wealthy and do have other things going on in my life, that means I can't own a pet? Even though I'm giving her a warm home, good nutritional food, lots of love, attention, and she lights up my life? That's just cruel, lol. I mean Misty came to me, she was a stray and she ended up on my door step, if it weren't for her finding me and me taking her in the moment I saw her without any question, she would have had 2 or 3 litters by now, one rigth after the other most likely! Instead of the one and only one she will ever have. Not every one is fortunate enough to have money on hand at all times, many people struggle. I'm 20 yrs old, going to college, working a full time job, living at hime with my single parent father, who is too working full time and going to college full time, and my two brothers, one is working full time and going to college as well. People do the best they can. I agree that there are far too many stray and unwanted cats, and when I'm in a better position to do something about it, I will. That doesn't mean I have no right to own a cat. That just really bugs me. Like I said in my previous post, I didn't just completely ignore the fact that she needed to get spayed, I didn't want her to be a mom. I was saving up money to get her spayed. She tore the screen on one of my windows, while she was locked in my room while I was at work, which I did because I'm a responsible cat owner and there's other people in the house and I knew they weren't going to keep an eye on her like I would. I had no idea she could tear a window screen, I've had cats in this apartment for the past 6 yrs and that had NEVER happened. Things happen. I'm just saying all this because you can be a responsible pet owner without having all the RESOURCES that others have available. I called SO MANY places looking for someone to spay her at an affordable, reasonable price, and because of the economy and all that crap in the side of city I live in, the only places that were "low cost" spay clinics would only take you if you are on wellfare!
I just totally disagree with you. People try and do the best they can with what they have available to them. And that is a very, VERY unfair statement that you made.
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So all the stupid people who take in cat,since were not priviledged because we haven't any money. I guees we need to shoot the cat.
So the cat's that get a home stray or not, would you like us to kick em out because we haven't the funds to take care of them, (as posted) Well thats gonna fix the overpopulation isn't? why not just get a gun huh? C'mon
If out of the kindness of our hearts we take in some cats, kittens whatever we our trying to do good. If the money is tight save up, get time and spay the cat.
Look, one person isn't the problem it starts there but still he is not nor anybody on this site is a problem. We are here because we care about this situation.
Many of us have very big hearts and very small and thin wallets. We don't want any cat to die or any animal for that matter. And if we save 1 cat by taking him or her in our home and lives, it has taken care of 1 overpopulation issue.
Jeremy if u read this Remember you are 1 in millions of the good hearted, you gave love to a needed . And for that We are all thankful.
We take in a cat we know there is an obligation
We all know we have to spay our cats it's common sense.
I think Jeremy showed his concern for his little Bella by coming to our forum to begin with.
I also think that it is completely possible to give advice and make suggestions without being overly defensive or calling someone irresponsible. I am a student too, so I can understand what it is like to have no time! Comparing one life to another is not possible (ie: what I can do with my busy life you should be able to do with yours).
Hopefully Bella is not pregnant, but if she is, Jeremy will have to decide what is best for her and her babies (which he seems to have done already), and if she is not, then I would like to put my vote in for getting her spayed very soon. I think the pros of doing so have been clearly explained! And good for you for finding some wonderful and caring friends to take in the kittens (if there are some!)
I also think that it is completely possible to give advice and make suggestions without being overly defensive or calling someone irresponsible. I am a student too, so I can understand what it is like to have no time! Comparing one life to another is not possible (ie: what I can do with my busy life you should be able to do with yours).
Hopefully Bella is not pregnant, but if she is, Jeremy will have to decide what is best for her and her babies (which he seems to have done already), and if she is not, then I would like to put my vote in for getting her spayed very soon. I think the pros of doing so have been clearly explained! And good for you for finding some wonderful and caring friends to take in the kittens (if there are some!)
No, it doesn't take care of anything if you take in the cat, let it escape before you get it spayed, and it gets pregnant! You are only making the situation worse!
I am 25 years old, not a millionaire, yet, I make spaying and neutering FIRST priority when a new animal comes into my home. I work overtime, I clip coupns for a few weeks for the grocery store, etc. It's not hard to come up with the money if you truly want to. Every stray kitty that comes to my door, and there has been many, get spayed/neutered before I place them. That is how important it is to me, because I would not have to spend all of my hard earned money and free time fostering kittens, scooping litter boxes, deworming kitties, cleaning up after sick ones, etc, if everyone would just fix their pets. The reason that people like me are needed is because of the people that say "but I MEANT to do it! I just didn't have time!" or "she only had one litter!". Well you know what, that one litter literally killed an equal amount of kittens in a shelter looking for a home. So, flame me if you wish, but, I don't take excuses from anyone. No, if you don't have the money, you shouldn't have the pet, or if the pet found you, you find the money SOMEHOW, or take the cat to the pound where hopefully she will either be fixed or humanely euthanized. The cycle will not stop until everyone steps up and takes responsibility.
you have no idea who i am, who anyone is. you have no idea what i go through, what anyone here goes through. i was not gonna take misty to the POUND! R U CRAZY! i had just lost my other cat when she came, and i was not gonna lose another one. you don't know what i was going through at that time, you don't know what came up in my life, if i was sick. So i tried my best to get her fixed in a timely matter, stuff happened and i looked forever 2 find a place to spay her, and it didn't happen. So shoot me! lol people do a lot worse things. if ur time was spent educating people about these things and not judging them or criticizing them, u'd be doing a much better job of what you want to do. i'm glad u have such a huge passion for this, but there r other things more important and urgent in other people's lives.
Yes foster kitty you need to lighten up, Fath tried her best to take care of things. Sometimes even the best issues fail. Think of how many stray feral cats have babies, you shouldnt yell at fath just cause she could do it on time, Her Misty would have had WAAYY more babies without her help then with. I understand Fath that fixing a cat is expensive. Hopefully it will improve, but no matter what we do concerning our feelings towards one another kittens will be born.
The only thing I would like to say to the OP is that if money was tight for a spay, please consider an abort and spay, as providing quality food for her while she is pregnant, and then the extra food, litter, worm and flea meds - not to mention if she has probs, will end up costing more. Sadly you have found out the hard way just how determined a female in heat is, but allowing her to continue with a pregnancy might not be the best thing to do all round.
I absolutely agree, of course all cats should be neutered because its in the upmost importance for your cat's health and well being. In the Uk you can only qualify for a neuter discount voucher if you are on benefits and a spay is expensive. I AM NOT saying of course that this is an excuse to not get your cat fixed as some people would be unprepared to deal with a pregnancy, wait till the kittens are born and then drown them in a bag or something. Thats cruel in my eyes because she has gone through pregnancy and labour for nothing, and the poor little mites have come to an unnecessary and miserable end. and as it was raised earlier its miserable for a female cat to keep going into heat. It was me who made the comment about him already having homes for the kittens so they wouldnt end up in shelters, i dont think i was wrong in raising this point, infact, i think the fact he said it makes him a responsible cat owner with the kittens well being at heart in what is an unfortunate situation. Of course you have all the cats and kittens and other animals in shelters who have for some reason or another ended up there and to give them a home would be fantastic. (A friend of mine took in a puppy from the RSPCA which was dumped along with her littermates in a box) a very happy ending to what could've been a very sad story, but sometimes animals in shelters can only go to specific homes. Ones with no other animals, some that only have older children, some that have no children at all. This doesnt suit everyone's lifestyle or home situation.
Like i said before this site is brilliant because of all the different views and opinions and everyone can take on criticism as long as its constructive critcism. I felt some of the comments were a little personal and he was, I thought, attacked for the post that he summitted.
I will say again that in the same situation i wouldnt spay my cat knowing she were pregnant, if you find that irresponsible then thats fine, but thats just me. I really hope he decides to come back to this forum. It would be a shame for him to go away and think that everyone on here had the same views. Again just my humble opinion.
Like i said before this site is brilliant because of all the different views and opinions and everyone can take on criticism as long as its constructive critcism. I felt some of the comments were a little personal and he was, I thought, attacked for the post that he summitted.
I will say again that in the same situation i wouldnt spay my cat knowing she were pregnant, if you find that irresponsible then thats fine, but thats just me. I really hope he decides to come back to this forum. It would be a shame for him to go away and think that everyone on here had the same views. Again just my humble opinion.
The voucher rules from CP have now changed, and there is a chance you can now get either a voucher on benefits, or a full price voucher, rather than one covering part of the cost (and that has also gone up now, there is still a shortfall, but nowhere near as much). And sadly, having homes for them doesn't necessarily mean anything - quite a few cats in rescues up and down teh country are from what people thought were good homes.
I think this discussion should be closed... He came here asking for help not to be jumped all over. I think we all should stop responding and help him privatly HAKISHIROOM please feel free to respond to us that way if you are more comfortable and I hope this does not keep you from posting more to us and keeping us up to date on the new kitten Thank you.
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I'd just like to have the final say...and then maybe this conversation can be locked?
I do apologize if I've ruffled any feathers or caused any undue stress on the moderators/members of this forum.
I came here for advice and I have received it from every facet available.
I thank you all for your wonderful advice and education for me about my sweet Bella. She is the first female cat I've ever had the pleasure of being the 'daddy' too and it has definitely been an experience.
An update: As of now, she is still doing all the usual signs that cats do when they are in heat, writing on the floor, making the loud cat calls, and being well...just a cat in heat, lol. She does have a vet appointment for next week, but it is only a check-up, no spaying involved.
Again, I thank you all for your advice, responses, comments, and education on the matter -- it truly has been helpful.
I look forward to getting to know you all and your special children better!!
Jeremy
I do apologize if I've ruffled any feathers or caused any undue stress on the moderators/members of this forum.
I came here for advice and I have received it from every facet available.
I thank you all for your wonderful advice and education for me about my sweet Bella. She is the first female cat I've ever had the pleasure of being the 'daddy' too and it has definitely been an experience.
An update: As of now, she is still doing all the usual signs that cats do when they are in heat, writing on the floor, making the loud cat calls, and being well...just a cat in heat, lol. She does have a vet appointment for next week, but it is only a check-up, no spaying involved.
Again, I thank you all for your advice, responses, comments, and education on the matter -- it truly has been helpful.
I look forward to getting to know you all and your special children better!!
Jeremy
I am glad she seems to be in heat, there is little chance of her being pregnant. Please do consider having her spayed next week along with her checkup, it is best for her health all round, it reduces the risks of her getting certain cancers later in life and also eliminates the risk of a nasty womb infection that is very serious. Plus being in heat for a female isn't a pleasant experience.
There is a chance she is prego. Skittles my mom came inside I go oooo no she is in heat time to keep her inside.. OOPS she has been inside only every since but last May she had 13 kittens she got prego before the heat because a female cat doesn't have to be in heat to get knocked up. I did not know this LOL dingy me... But I was so glad this site was here to help me out alot. I do encourage you to stay here and let us help you on the journey please.
Jeremy, I hope you were able to pick out the important parts of the posts and able to ignore the rest. I wish you and Bella the best and that you will have her spayed after this litter for her own health.
I'm going to close this thread now as I believe it has served your purpose and the comments are rather going off track.
I hope you will continue to read and post on TCS. As old as I am (and I'm no spring chicken
), I've learned a lot being here and I hope you will too.
I'm going to close this thread now as I believe it has served your purpose and the comments are rather going off track.
I hope you will continue to read and post on TCS. As old as I am (and I'm no spring chicken
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