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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hi,
I've been feeding my girl Wellness wet. Wellness is manufactured by Menu Foods. Wellness wet does not contain any wheat gluten, but they haven't come out and said for sure that wheat gluten is causing this. Do you think Wellness is okay to give?
Is anyone here feeding Wellness wet and noticed any problems recently? Thanks a million.
post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by heidinyny View Post
Hi,
I've been feeding my girl Wellness wet. Wellness is manufactured by Menu Foods. Wellness wet does not contain any wheat gluten, but they haven't come out and said for sure that wheat gluten is causing this. Do you think Wellness is okay to give?
Is anyone here feeding Wellness wet and noticed any problems recently? Thanks a million.
If there is no wheat or wheat gluten I am using it ... That is sad we find yet another high end company using these two plants
post #3 of 29
Wellness is not in the recall. Puff eats 50/50 of dry and wet with no problems.
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
hi sharky! thank you. and thank you salemwitch, too. my concern is that noone has said definitively that it is the wheat gluten causing this,,, i am scared that all foods that have gone through the menu foods plants may have been tainted... maybe this is just me being paranoid. anyway, thank you again, and my thoughts are with everyone affected by this.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by heidinyny View Post
hi sharky! thank you. and thank you salemwitch, too. my concern is that noone has said definitively that it is the wheat gluten causing this,,, i am scared that all foods that have gone through the menu foods plants may have been tainted... maybe this is just me being paranoid. anyway, thank you again, and my thoughts are with everyone affected by this.
I'm curious, how did you know Wellness is manufactured by Menu Foods? Is there a list somewhere (besides the recall list)?
post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 
hi beandip...

i called wellness this morning, and spoke with a woman who said that although wellness uses menu foods as a manufacturer, wellness does not contain wheat gluten.... i do not feel so reassured by this.

here is another source - http://www.petfoodexpress.com/petfoo...&Section=About

specifically, it says on this website -
"There are several brands that are produced by Menu Foods-- Nature's Variety, Newman’s Own Organics, Wellness, Wysong, and Innova-- that have not been recalled and that the parent companies assure us are safe to consume. Because of their assurances and the excellent reputations of these brands, we will sell them to people who understand the recall issues and accept the possible risks. Please be clear, however, that we cannot vouch for the safety of these products at this time."

Again, if anyone has any further info about wellness, and can vouch that it has not caused any problems with their kitties, i would really appreciate it. you all are the best.
heidi
post #7 of 29
That is really interesting to see Innova on the list, as I was positive the president of Innova told me they had their own manufacturing facilities to ensure quality control.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by vanillasugar View Post
That is really interesting to see Innova on the list, as I was positive the president of Innova told me they had their own manufacturing facilities to ensure quality control.
I was told by a few Nutro high ups that they had there own facilitys ... so at this point I am glad that two eat no canned and the other one eats canned and raw
post #9 of 29
Buffy eats Wellness canned, so now I'm going to be paranoid watching her. My dog eats Nature's Variety Prairie dry, which obviously isn't wet, but I'll be watching him as well, just in case.

Another major bonus for those of us who feed the top premiums: we don't have to worry about the cruddy food that have wheat in them. We just have to worry about the possibility of contamination transfer or something (so we could have problems too, but I don't think it'd be as severe a degree as the cruddy foods cause). I do feel for the general population that feed the canned foods that are on the Menu Foods' lists, since I know what it's like to be stuck without food and not know where to get more (well, in my case, the store I typically get the food may be closed, so I'd have to resort to buying Friskies from the grocery store, which I REALLY don't want to do, lol). And those without internet access, if they're hearing all this from TV, they probably aren't getting the list of foods that are on the list, so they don't know what to buy that'll be safe.
post #10 of 29
I'm very surprised to hear that Wellness and Innova are both manufactured by Menu Foods. I'd like to think that higher end brands like this would have their own facilities. My cats eat both Wellness and Innova. Fortunately neither food contains wheat gluten. Now I have a nagging suspicion in the back of my mind about these foods.
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
fyi - i spoke with a vet here in the city earlier tonight... she suggested that is better to err on the side of caution and hold off on feeding any foods that go through menu foods until they are able to pinpoint what is causing this.
i am going to stop giving her the wellness until they know exactly what is causing this... again, my heart goes out to everyone affected by this.
post #12 of 29
The odd thing about this wheat gluten is that why does it take so long to even test it and yet they still can't pin point exactly the root cause of it. I'm guessing it's more than just wheat gluten they are testing. Honestly, I don't see why they needed to test these tainted food on animals either. That just angers me even more. If human feces can be found in vegetables (recent news in CA), I can't imagine what else gets added to pet food. I'm getting paranoid now.

Has anyone visited these plants before?
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by MamaKitties View Post
The odd thing about this wheat gluten is that why does it take so long to even test it and yet they still can't pin point exactly the root cause of it. I'm guessing it's more than just wheat gluten they are testing. Honestly, I don't see why they needed to test these tainted food on animals either. That just angers me even more. If human feces can be found in vegetables (recent news in CA), I can't imagine what else gets added to pet food. I'm getting paranoid now.

Has anyone visited these plants before?
Who else could they test the food on?
They had reports some animals have died after eating the product. However there was no way to tell for sure what caused the deaths of these animals as they did not die in a controlled environment.
So they did the test. We are talking about multimilion $ losses here.
To recall the food they would have to make sure the food was actually causing the deaths and not something else.
post #14 of 29
I emailed wellness since there is some concern that they do business with Menu foods. Here's the reply I got

Dear Robin,

We are aware that Menu Foods has initiated a recall. No products made by
Wellness & Old Mother Hubbard are affected in any way.

Again, no Wellness, Old Mother Hubbard, or Neura products are part of this
recall.

While we do have some of our products made at Menu Foods, we do not use the
specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place. In addition, we
have strict cleaning procedures in place to prevent cross-contamination.

If you would like more information, feel free to write us back or call our
Consumer Affairs line at (800) 225-0904.

Nicole Bibeau
Specialist
Consumer Affairs
post #15 of 29
thank you for posting that. i passed it onto my sister. she just started feeding wellness. she was going to use nutro, but in light of the recalls she decided wellness was a better way to go.
post #16 of 29
How can they say they do not use the "specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place" if that ingredient has not yet been identified?

Hmmmm.......
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
i don't quite understand how they can they say that they "do not use the specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place " when that ingredient has not yet been definitively identified.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by vanillasugar View Post
That is really interesting to see Innova on the list, as I was positive the president of Innova told me they had their own manufacturing facilities to ensure quality control.
I called them, they said they 'share' a facility with menufoods but it is the one in North Dakota and that facility is not involved in any recalls
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
thanks icklemiss for that info.
post #20 of 29
I am beginning to think that none of the companies are being forthcoming with us.
I just bought Innova Lt. today...
Now I really am afraid to use it.
Until we know for sure what the problem is...
it's not worth risking the lives of my kitties.
What a mess.
post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by xocats View Post
I am beginning to think that none of the companies are being forthcoming with us. I just bought Innova Lt. today...
Now I really am afraid to use it.
Even if they haven't been forthcoming (and NaturaPet are getting a very strongly worded letter from me for the several different stories they have given me) - their plant is separate from the recalled foods so the food you have should be fine.
post #22 of 29
What about Blue Spa Selects? Buffy ate that before Wellness, but I'm thinking of putting her on Evangers until this whole mess is sorted out. However, just in case she doesn't like the Evangers (it's one of the safe foods to feed, right? I heard either Evangers or Evolve in a "Safe Foods" list but can't remember which), I want to have a backup that's safe to eat as well.
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by Auntie Crazy View Post
How can they say they do not use the "specific ingredient that has caused the recall to take place" if that ingredient has not yet been identified?

Hmmmm.......
suspected is wheat gluten but I like u am raising an eyebrow and not using any of the companies that use any Menu plants for the time being
post #24 of 29
ack

stoli eats wellness - and has his whole time with me.....and then that mysterious ailment in january. . . .he's eaten his last can of wellness.
post #25 of 29
Both of my cats, Moggie and Luci, have been eating Wellness on and off for the past year. They are both perfectly healthy. Having said that, I will be feeding them Non-Menu produced wet food until we know for sure what has caused this. I would rather be safe than sorry.
post #26 of 29
From what I understand, the two processing plants involved with the poisoned pet food make gravy pouch products and cans of savory sauce or gravy with meat and fish cuts. But it is interesting that all of these companies rely on those two plants to process their food.

I guess Friskies, the cat food people love to bash, is one of the safest brands!

I am just darn lucky so far because I've fed some of my cats the Nutro Natural Choice pouch products and so far, all is well with them.

Has anyone heard of Purina Pro Plan cat products on the recall list?
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
From what I understand, the two processing plants involved with the poisoned pet food make gravy pouch products and cans of savory sauce or gravy with meat and fish cuts. But it is interesting that all of these companies rely on those two plants to process their food.

I guess Friskies, the cat food people love to bash, is one of the safest brands!

I am just darn lucky so far because I've fed some of my cats the Nutro Natural Choice pouch products and so far, all is well with them.

Has anyone heard of Purina Pro Plan cat products on the recall list?
So far Purina has only recalled Mighty dog pouches....
post #28 of 29
Whew! All of our cats enjoy ProPlan and I've been feeding them small amounts of the 3 oz. cans. So far so good.

As for those Nutro Natural Choice pouches, I opened one two weeks ago and noticed that the gravy or liquid in the pouch was very watery and didn't look right. It didn't smell right, either, and Mooie just turned up his nose at it and wouldn't eat it, so I dumped it out in the garbage disposal.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by caterpillar View Post
From what I understand, the two processing plants involved with the poisoned pet food make gravy pouch products and cans of savory sauce or gravy with meat and fish cuts. But it is interesting that all of these companies rely on those two plants to process their food.
I actually didn't find it all that unusual. Many companies now, regardless of what they produce, will rely on a 3rd party to manufacture the final product. It's a cost control measure. Instead of all of them having their own canning facilities, they outsource it to a 3rd party that specializes in just canning. It is my understanding that Innova has their own dry food plant, which has different equipment than a canning plant, but didn't have their own canning plant. They are now in the process of either obtaining an existing canning facility, or building one. I can't speak for Wellness.

My own personal theory is that the one Menu plant that was contaminated is the facility that makes the medium to lesser grade foods - in terms of ingredients. The other plant, which is used by Wellness, Innova, etc, has a different ingredient stock, and was not contaminated. I could very well be wrong.

I know it's been over a month since this thread has been posted to, but for anyone who's interested - my cat's have been eating Innova products for over a year and are fine. They've also eaten Wellness lately with no ill effects.
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