Jack's officially a father!

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Originally Posted by snosrap5

Nial, quick question. Will any of the kittens carry the gene to possibly produce silver?

They are absolutely beautiful BTW!
That's a good question Eva. If they turn out to be brown, I don't know. But I will try to find out.
Per my last post in this thread, I'm thinking we might actually have some silvers. This next week should be interesting.
 

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Do you think Steely is II as opposed to Ii? Is there any way to tell? I'm sending vibes for silvers over your way!
 

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I'll take the brown ones....

They are all adorable.
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Nial,

Some quick questions from a Bengal boob...

1. Is the Bengal fur called a coat or a pelt?
2. Is breeding direct to ALCs still allowed? ( In other words, are people still breeding F1s - F4s)
3. Does the fur lose it's coat/pelt feel (whatever it's called) the more you breed out to domestics?
4. Are most Bengal breeders now concentrating on SBT breeding instead of foundation breeding?

Forgive me if I sound impertinant or rude, it's just that some Malaysian breeders (unfortunately) are still taking ALC's out of the jungle, without permits, to breed F1s and I just would like to know if the gene pool is now big enough to stop doing so!

Thanks!
 
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Here's a new pic of the kittens. Their eyes are all open and they are really getting their "legs" now. Exploring by the front of the den is the norm, even though it irritates Penny that they are starting to run around. Next week they'll be all over the room.

 

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They are so cute. From the photo the kitten in the front looks like it might end up having Jacks colouring
 
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1. I always call it a pelt. Some bengals aren't as "pelted" as others.

2. Yes, breeding to ALC's is still done and the kittens are registerable with TICA as F1 through F3. F4's are considered SBT bengals and are eligible to compete.

3. Breeding out domestics is no longer an option. There are no allowable outcrosses to the bengal breed. All my bengals have that unique feel to their pelts and they pass it on to their kittens.

4. Most bengal breeders are just doing SBT breeding. There are some breeders who specialize in EG bengals and seem to mostly produce the F1 through F3 cats.

My personal opinion is that we have enough ALC's in the breeding pool at this time and we should leave the wild cats in the wild.




Originally Posted by Abymummy

Nial,

Some quick questions from a Bengal boob...

1. Is the Bengal fur called a coat or a pelt?
2. Is breeding direct to ALCs still allowed? ( In other words, are people still breeding F1s - F4s)
3. Does the fur lose it's coat/pelt feel (whatever it's called) the more you breed out to domestics?
4. Are most Bengal breeders now concentrating on SBT breeding instead of foundation breeding?

Forgive me if I sound impertinant or rude, it's just that some Malaysian breeders (unfortunately) are still taking ALC's out of the jungle, without permits, to breed F1s and I just would like to know if the gene pool is now big enough to stop doing so!

Thanks!
 

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Thank you Nial!

The third kitty from the left. Does he/she have the tabby "M" on his/her head? It doesn't look like it from that angle. The markings look really cool!

Can you tell if any are silvers yet?
 

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Oh Thank You Nial, what GORGEOUS babies they are!
I cant wait to watch them grow.
 

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Thank you for the new pics! They are so cute. They look like they are ready to go!
 

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Originally Posted by tiffanyjbt

Thank you Nial!

The third kitty from the left. Does he/she have the tabby "M" on his/her head? It doesn't look like it from that angle. The markings look really cool!

Can you tell if any are silvers yet?
Ideally we want to keep the "legs" of the tabby M, it's the "V" part we don't want. Instead of the "V" we want straight lines running up over the forehead. From this angle it's hard to tell but the kitten your talking about looks like it has the legs and no V, however, the lines stop at the top of the legs instead of running down as far as they need to be. It's a start though. =0)

It looks like there are no silvers in that picture. Sometimes silvers can fool you though! I had a boy I swore up and down was a brown and then he turned out silver later, after he grew some. By 12 weeks old it was obvious he was a silver. He continued to shed his brown fur. You can see pictures of that on my website at htttp://www.littleleopardcats.com on the "colors/patterns" link under the subcatagory "silver".

The key to determining silver is the color of the undercoat. This boy never did develop a brown undercoat but at first his coat was too short to tell what the undercoat color was going to be.

Now I hesitate to say for sure untill the kittens get older.
 

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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals

That's a good question Eva. If they turn out to be brown, I don't know. But I will try to find out.
Per my last post in this thread, I'm thinking we might actually have some silvers. This next week should be interesting.
Sorry if this was already answered im jumping all over this thread. The question was will one of the browns carry for silver. The answer is no. Browns can never carry for silver because silver is a dominant gene and if they carry they actually would be silver and show it. They can look brown and actually be a very tarnished silver though and if that's the case they could have silver kittens.
Short answer is brown never "carries" recessively for silver.
 

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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals

Thanks everyone. we are very excited about these babies. Jacks first litter, and they've turned out great. Really makes all the effort we are putting towards his show career worthwhile.
To be honest, I'm so happy with Jack, it'd be ok if he didn't do well in shows and couldn't make nice babies...he'd be an awesome pet. Eventually we'll neuter him and he will stay with us forever.
Penny is also an awesome girl and she did really well as a kitten in the shows.
We didn't get to show her as an adult because she went into heat very early.





That's a great idea, and I will do that...maybe a weekly photo thing. It's very interesting how they develope and the changes they go through.



Well, she went into labor at about 10am. I took the picture at about 5 pm, so she was still very worn out. I'm pretty sure I woke her up, coming into her room to take the picture. She's very sweet though, purring and allowing us to handle her kits without any complaint.
As for Jack really knowing....no he hasn't a clue. He resides on the second floor of the cattery. Penny is on the ground floor. Unless they have telepathy, he doesn't know.





I appreciate the comments...thank-you!




This is our first silver to brown breeding. My understanding is that often the silver kittens will look like browns for the first week or maybe more.
I think in the next couple of days, we'll get a much better idea about the color.
There are a couple of kittens that have the silver sheen you mentioned, but it seems dependent on the lighting. I think it's too early to call it right now.
Rest assured I will update as I find out.
Nial,
generally you can tell right away if they are silver. Look at the face. Usually really white on the face. Every once in awhile you will get a wierd silver that will fool you but not too often. In looking at the pictures it looks like you have all browns. The colors inthe pictures can be off a little though. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures of my last litter of silver kittens for you to see/compare.
 

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Does tarnishing usually get better or worse as a cat ages?

Thank you Terra, for the reply. Your site is very informative.
That tabby "M" is a stubborn gene, isn't it?!?
 
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