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post #31 of 46
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I stopped the metacam a week ago.
Maybe he is eating more than I think. I watched as much as I could last night, and I think he nibbles during the day, but much at a time. he has lost about 8 ounces since the surgery.

I figure the stone had to weigh a few ounces.
Am I right?

Am I just being paranoid?

The vet did not seem too worried. I may call again and ask about it.
post #32 of 46
I am hoping you are just over reacting or worrying too much. Humble is probably hiding his eating from you just cuz you made him go to the vet! (ok, far shot but hey!!) I think a call to the vet would be fine, but as long as he's going potty and drinking, eating a little less isn't a big thing. I know when Kitters switched food, she eats a lot less of it than the other. I think it's a ton better for her and she doesn't need as much! Also, after her emergency spay she went down almost a 1/2 lb to a 1 lb and that's a lot for a 6 lb cat! She did gain it back and then some when she went in last month, now she's 7 lbs. I think the surgery just takes a lot out of them.

Kitters and I are sending you huge VIBES for you to be at ease, and know that your baby is Ok very soon!!!
post #33 of 46
I don't think you are being paranoid, just a loving cat mom's caution

I would try to feed him his favorite wet food, seperately, maybe sit with him in a room you can close off, and see how much he eats of it. If he does well with it, maybe sit with him and feed him wet food twice a day until you feel he's regained/is eating normally again.

C'mon Humble..get chowing down!
post #34 of 46
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The vet gave him some fluids/ he is a little dehydrated. The vet says to give him some pedialyte.

Has anyone heard of this?
post #35 of 46
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The vet gave him some fluids/ he is a little dehydrated. The vet says to give him some pedialyte.

Has anyone heard of this?
It is an electrolyte drink to help kids stay hydrated (check this link). Just keep in touch with the vet and keep an eye on his intake.
post #36 of 46
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He had a fluid treatment at the vet. The vet said maybe some pedialyte or gatorade thru an eye dropper. Bloodwork is normal.

He is at 12.9 pounds, down 9 ounces.
I am to call the vet in the morning, the vet wants himto eat something, but how can I get him to?
post #37 of 46
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He had a fluid treatment at the vet. The vet said maybe some pedialyte or gatorade thru an eye dropper. Bloodwork is normal.

He is at 12.9 pounds, down 9 ounces.
I am to call the vet in the morning, the vet wants himto eat something, but how can I get him to?
Does it matter what? If not, try some roasted chicken or some KFC chicken with the skin removed. Mine will usually be a pain in the tail-end when we have roasted chicken.
post #38 of 46
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I got him some tuna in oil, and he ate a little tiny bit, not even half a spoonful. Roasted chicken did not appeal to him at all.

Vet says he has to stay on the renal food; he could still have kidney failure, and that is why he has to have benazepril every day for the rest of his life.
Dr. Morgan says he is not worried, that Humble will be ok.

I am to call in the morning.
Y'all, I am afraid my cat will die from dehydration or from loss of appetite, etc.
I told the vet, who reassured me.

ANY IDEAS, just to get him eating some more?

How much gatorade or pedialyte to give? I got cherry flavored and plain.
I also got a bottle of gatorade.

Is half an eye dropper full too much? That would be maybe 1/4 of a teaspoonful.
post #39 of 46
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I got him some tuna in oil, and he ate a little tiny bit, not even half a spoonful. Roasted chicken did not appeal to him at all.

Vet says he has to stay on the renal food; he could still have kidney failure, and that is why he has to have benazepril every day for the rest of his life.
Dr. Morgan says he is not worried, that Humble will be ok.

I am to call in the morning.
Y'all, I am afraid my cat will die from dehydration or from loss of appetite, etc.
I told the vet, who reassured me.

ANY IDEAS, just to get him eating some more?

How much gatorade or pedialyte to give? I got cherry flavored and plain.
I also got a bottle of gatorade.

Is half an eye dropper full too much? That would be maybe 1/4 of a teaspoonful.
I don't know how to say this. I am not a vet, it is not my place to criticize yours, but on the kidney failure support list I am on, from folks I respect, we all know that no food = no cat, and there are times when you must do whatever it takes, to get your cat eating, or you risk losing them.

There are prescription diets, there are homecooked diets, there are foods that are comparable in at least the phosphorous content levels of various renal foods. There is much discussion re when lower protein is necessary, versus feeding really good quality protein.

I realize you do not know for sure if Humble has chronic renal failure, but I know you'd find this site - www.felinecrf.org helpful as it discusses renal diets, hydration, controlling the cats phosphorous levels etc...so much, in so much detail (including meds such as the benzepril).

I can recommend an assist-feeding support group for you, I would say if this is all Humble is eating currently, it is way too little, and you MUST get some more food into him. One method is to make tiny meatballs of wet food, and gently pop that into the side of his mouth - so he will have to chew - being careful not to pop it towards the back of the mouth where he might simply try to swallow.

Or, you can use a blender to blenderize canned food w/a bit of water, and then use a feeding syringe to gently and slowly, give some to Humble several times per day.

You can test Humble for dehydration by gently pulling up on the loose skin between his shoulder blades (just past base of neck)..the skin should snap back as soon as you let go. If it stays "tented" or slowly goes back, that indicates he is dehydrated.

I would not use the flavored pedialyte, but the plain.

I am going to pm you the address of the assist-feeding group - many of them have cats with kidney or liver issues, I really believe they can give you specific advice on amounts to feed, best method.

Off to send you that address (and for the crf list as well).
post #40 of 46
Oh no! Eat, Humble, eat!
post #41 of 46
Pat knows what she is talking about. I'd take her suggestions for my cat over anyone else I know. And I totally understand worrying about your cat not eating since I just went through this with Jake. It's so hard to get them to eat and drink and takes a lot of work. For Jake, I blended canned food with water and gave it to him in a syringe 2-3 times a day. And each time I'd give 20-30cc. I think this helped him get his appetite back more then anything. Once they become anorexic, it's hard for them to break that cycle. I'm thinking about you and Humble and sending prayers your way!

Tammie
post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good View Post
The vet gave him some fluids/ he is a little dehydrated. The vet says to give him some pedialyte.

Has anyone heard of this?
Yup

Quote:
Originally Posted by batgirl2good View Post
I got him some tuna in oil, and he ate a little tiny bit, not even half a spoonful. Roasted chicken did not appeal to him at all.

Vet says he has to stay on the renal food; he could still have kidney failure, and that is why he has to have benazepril every day for the rest of his life.
Dr. Morgan says he is not worried, that Humble will be ok.

I am to call in the morning.
Y'all, I am afraid my cat will die from dehydration or from loss of appetite, etc.
I told the vet, who reassured me.

ANY IDEAS, just to get him eating some more?

How much gatorade or pedialyte to give? I got cherry flavored and plain.
I also got a bottle of gatorade.

Is half an eye dropper full too much? That would be maybe 1/4 of a teaspoonful.

I know that with Kitters I had to give her the pedialite and one she started getting that in she started eating more.. With the pedialite they say:
2-4 ml per pound per hour! So since Kitters is 7 lbs. she needed between 14-28ml every hour! Now, we did not give it to her every hour. And she did not take that much. Seeing as how the vet said he was just mild I'd say, get what you can in him without going over the recommended amount and without him wanting to bite you for ticking him off it will be good and better than without any! Try his wet food and maybe try heating it a little to get the smell waffing around! PM me if you want to talk.. I will get home in about an hour!! I'm thinking of ya hon!

Jill
post #43 of 46
I mix Pedialyte (plain) with Sheba's K/D canned to make it a little soupy, and heat it in the microwave (6 seconds warms it just enough).

You can also ask your vet to prescribe an appetite stimulant if you're worried he's not eating enough. You'll still need to coax him to eat. They get hungry on an appetite stimulant, but if they're not feeling well, they may not seek out food. Keep him near food, water and a litterbox at all times.
post #44 of 46
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Humble is going to be fine, according to the vet. He gave more fluids and said basically the same thing that you did. He told me that c/d is good and gave me a can of k/d prescription diet food and a can of eukanuba multi-stage renal canned food. It is a matter of finding what he will eat.

I have dry c/d food and dry eukaunba multi-stage renal as well.

Hopefully, after this 3rd round of fluids, Humble will get back to normal.
The vet said that a little boiled chicken and rice is ok; he would prefer that i keep things like tuna to a minimum because of the work that the kidneys have to do to get rid of it all.

Dr. Morgan knows of this site and respects it. He says he does not want to go to appetite stimulants just yet. He thinks this 3rd round of fluids will help.
He will tell me if and when it is time to go to assisted feeding.

I joined both groups that Pat recommended and am reading. I am prepared to do whatever it takes to get my baby well.
post #45 of 46
I am glad to hear what the vet said and I know that Humble will get eating again!!! We are still thinking about you!!!
post #46 of 46
I am so sorry to hear about Humble....I have a couple kitties not eating very well, one is because of renal failure like your Humble. She did not want to eat for a while and I was getting terribly worried. My vet was getting frustrated with my daily calls and finally my vet prescribed cyproheptadine to encourage her appetite. It took trying a lot of different combinations of foods to finally get her to eat. She now likes k/d dry food and once in a while I can get her to eat k/d wet food mixed with what I now have to call, junk food kitty food (ie Whiska, etc). I have actually been able to taper that back by just adding the gravy from the bad food to her wet food. Humble does need to eat to keep strong. You need to make sure if you can to avoid fish diets but if that is all Humble will eat that's more important to keep the weight on. Ideally, Humble should have turkey/chicken based diets over fish but the key component is the protein levels which you should ask your vet to explain to you. If you can manage it and give Humble subcutaneous fluids daily, that would be best if you haven't started that already. You can also ask the vet about giving Humble pepcid. That helped my babies too. I wish you all the luck!

Many hugs,
Terri
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