Crazy Siamese kitten (with pic)

Yeah, which she really isn't at this point, she's just a lanky and clumsy kitten, hehe.

How adorable, both Duchess and Fiona

Fiona will get darker then Duchess I believe.

Originally Posted by mithrellas

Oh no, I really thought the bringing her back into the kitchen and showing her the bread thing would work, I guess she'll just be freaked out by bread now.

Oh I know about them getting dark. A little over a year ago my brother got what they thought was a Siamese, but she ended up having long hair. She's gotten so dark! And she's huge too. Here are some pics of her, kinda crappy, sorry about that. (Taken with a phone and I cut myself out of some.)


That's Duchess shortly after they got her, her hair just kept growing.

Duchess now:



My favourite Fiona pic:


Notice how much darker Fiona is compared to Duchess when she was little, her 'mask' is a LOT bigger.

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I think dutchess looks like a ragdoll. The kitten picture of her is adorable, and the one were she is older looks like my seal point girl honey, who weighs about 13-15 pounds.
I agree with every one as far as color she is a sealpoint. Like every one said the base/body color would be lighter as well as the points. As a chocolate, she wouldn't ever get any darker then she is now, and pointed cats color matures with age, so she has much more darkening to do.
here is a picture of two of my kittens, one is a seal mitted the other is chocolate mitted, you can see the difference in color, (other than that you can't see much, my camera is crappy, LOL!)
the one on the left is seal the right is choc
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3...s/411cb454.jpg
this one is the chocolate, his legs are so light you can hardly tell there is color there and he has little mitts
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h3...kittens104.jpg

Hi everyone, just became a member, hope you don't mind me jumping in.

I've had cats all my life, all of them were rescues from neighbors who didn't care about them or one's I found as kittens and just crying around a parking lot. Never have had what you would call a "breed." Well I rescued this little black kitten from our local Arby's one day and he is unlike any cat I have EVER had!!!! I suspected he had some Siamese in him by the way he acts. I'll try to post a picture. He in NO WAY looks like one, but he ACTS JUST LIKE THEM. Tell me what you guys think. Is it possible???

oops, can't do attachments yet. He is pure black with ORANGE eyes, the strangest I've ever seen.

Wow! Black with ORANGE eyes?! I don't think I've ever had the pleasure of seeing a cat like that! Do you need help figuring out how to post the pic?...

Go to www.imageshack.us . Upload the pic you want, resize is for message boards and then hit "host it". Cut and paste one of the urls for forums and then past it in your reply here. Ta-da! You have then successfully posted a pic!

Dear Snowtiger and little black one:

Welcome to TheCatSite and hope you enjoy it here as much as we do! I am King Nicolas T. Cat I, aged 16-going-on-17 years young; I and my eight fellow felines and our devoted servant, who's also lived with, loved, rescued, and advoCATed for cats all her life, are glad you could make it here!

Yes, it's entirely possible that your new little one is a black Siamese (one Siamese parent and one probably a black domestic shorthair). Copper (as orange eyes are known in the cat world) eyes are gorgeous, and against a black velvet background, irresistable! We can't wait to see his photos, and we all thank you from the bottom of our hearts for rescuing, adopting, and loving cats.

Originally Posted by mithrellas

My favourite Fiona pic:


Notice how much darker Fiona is compared to Duchess when she was little, her 'mask' is a LOT bigger.

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She's ADORABLE!!!

Siamese cats are the best (as everyone here has already stated)! Yup, I'm biased too! LOL! I think Gaye gave you the best advice (as usual!)

The lady(BYB) that I got Duke(my 6mos old meezer) from said he was a seal point. Here's a pic of him:



His points are lighter than this in person and are VERY brown (with shimmery gold hairs) In fact, the only thing thats 'seal' colored on him is his nose. This is a lot closer to what he looks like in person:



I'm sure he likely would be classified as a seal point, but I also know that he has tabby mixed in his bloodline somewhere. He has a tabby 'M' and classic tabby ghost striping on his sides. His tail is also faintly striped in typical tabby fashion. If he were genetically 'seal' his tail tip would be solid black, but its brown. Thats a sign of the dilute chocolate gene. His body fur is almost white, too, with the exception of the ghost stripes. His paw pads are pinkish brown and the inside of his ears are pink. Therefore, I usually call him a chocolate point (but I could be wrong).

None of that likely has anything to do with your Fiona, except to say that looks can be deceiving (especially in photo's) and the only way to really know is if you have proof(registration papers) of what her parents are carriers for, or have her genetically tested. Neither of which are really necessary, as I'm sure you just want to love her as is and her 'true' color doesn't really matter.

Welcome to the Forum and the Wonderful World of Meezers!

Tiffany

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It also seems to me that the modern type siamese cats have less color over all than the old style siamese cats. I've seen old style chocolate points that have more color in their bodies and points (especially the mask) than modern seal points. Just an observation...

Since Duke is that dark already at 6 months, may guess is he is a seal point, when I get my pics developed I will post a picture of my chocolate mitted and seal mitted litter mates. If they come out good, any ways, LOL! But you can see on my chocolate mitted boy, his legs are so light, you can hardly tell he has color there and he has mitts, his nose and ears are so much lighter then his brothers too, a very milk chocolatey color to his brother dark chocolate apperance, which will darken as he ages to the dark brown/black color that is seal. Like you said though, the true color doesn't make too much a difference when you aren't breeding him and he is just a loved pet, and he is very lovely by the way.

You're probably right. This is Duke when he was six weeks old:



Even then, he had very dark nose leather. Probably a seal... But I prefer to call him 'handsome point meezer'

Anyway, this post was just an excuse to post a fluffy baby pic. Dukes proabably at home groaning right now saying, "Meowm! Not the BABY PICS!!!"

Tiffany

Originally Posted by tiffanyjbt

I'm sure he likely would be classified as a seal point, but I also know that he has tabby mixed in his bloodline somewhere. He has a tabby 'M' and classic tabby ghost striping on his sides. His tail is also faintly striped in typical tabby fashion.

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All Siamese cats are tabbies! The Himalayan gene (the one that causes them to be pointed cats with blue eyes) masks the tabby gene. In some cats when they are young, the tabby pattern is very clearly obvious but with age and maturity will decrease in visibility.

If he were genetically 'seal' his tail tip would be solid black, but its brown. Thats a sign of the dilute chocolate gene. His body fur is almost white, too, with the exception of the ghost stripes. His paw pads are pinkish brown and the inside of his ears are pink. Therefore, I usually call him a chocolate point (but I could be wrong).

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While others may have differing opinions, I disagree. A Seal Point IS brown ... a very, very dark, almost black-brown, but brown nonetheless. Being that Duke is still pretty much a youngster, my guess is that he will darken up with age. The pinkish brown paw pads are not the be-all-end-all defining clue as to his point color. My Pearl (now not quite 6 month old) still has pinkish paw pads and she is most definately a Seal Point. Her ears are still pink on the inside and again, she is a Seal Point.

This is my 3 year old girl, Lexus and her 5 month old daughter, Pearl.

None of that likely has anything to do with your Fiona, except to say that looks can be deceiving (especially in photo's) and the only way to really know is if you have proof(registration papers) of what her parents are carriers for, or have her genetically tested. Neither of which are really necessary, as I'm sure you just want to love her as is and her 'true' color doesn't really matter.

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Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

OK, OK! I was WRONG

LOL! JK

I didn't know that about the tabby/siamese link. I thought Dukes ghost pattern/'M' was a sure sign that a 'tabby' cat was somewhere in his gene pool. Still possible though, as I have no registration papers for him anyway.

I thought black and seal brown were the same thing genetically? I guess I should have said a 'seal brown tail tip', but then I guess that doesn't matter anyway. I was researching bengal cat genetics when there was a question of whether a cat was genetically red or just a highly rufoused brown/black. The only way to tell by looking at it was the tail tip. If it was black/dark brown, which it was, the cat was genetically black/brown. Even though it looked like a "Garfield" red colored cat. Maybe that only applies to that particular breed?

Lexie looks WAY different in that picture than she does in your signature! She's so graceful with those LOOOONG legs and build! Pearls got some good genes in her!

Anyway, thanks for clueing me in Gaye. I think you're right, Dukes probably a seal point.

This is why I come here. Thanks!

Tiffany

BTW, my husband will be glad to hear this, as he likes the look of seal points better than chocolate points. He's LIKES the darker body color with the really dark face.

The kitten at the start of this thread, Duke, Lexus and Pearl are all GORGEOUS!
I can't wait to get my own Meezer.

Originally Posted by Wildfire

The kitten at the start of this thread, Duke, Lexus and Pearl are all GORGEOUS!

I can't wait to get my own Meezer.

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*grin* Oh my, aren't you just in for a world of new things to learn! Siamese have a sneaky way of wrapping their paws around your heart and never, ever letting go. Oh and as you will come to find out, Siamese cats are like potato chips, you can't have just one. *smirk* I now have two as breeding cats and two as pets - I never thought that would happen!

Look at those big eyes! They sure are pretty.

I believe ALL cats are basically tabbys - can't think of any natural wild cat that is a solid color - they all have some sort of stripes/spotting.

Some colors paint over the stripes enough that we see a "solid" color but kittens almost always have stripes - even ghost striping (Russian blue kittens have this ghost striping). Blacks will have ghost striping in he right light.

A true chocolate point would be milk chocolate in color. Maybe some of the pink paw pads in seal points mean you have other point color in the background? Like chocolate point parent/seal point parent.

OK, I'm convinced on the chocolate thing. I've been reading up on the tabby thing and I've found a lot of sources that agree, that all cats are tabby and some just hide the pattern.

Here's a pic of Duke that shows his tabby pattern well. I actually don't see it this well in real life. I guess the lighting picked it up well. Anyway, do you think this will fade or will it come out stronger?



His mom was a seal point. I never saw his dad. His older brother (or so the breeder says) was a blue point.

(btw, sorry for highjacking this thread with all the pics of Duke. I'm just very curious about all this stuff. )

Originally Posted by gayef

All Siamese cats are tabbies! The Himalayan gene (the one that causes them to be pointed cats with blue eyes) masks the tabby gene. In some cats when they are young, the tabby pattern is very clearly obvious but with age and maturity will decrease in visibility.



While others may have differing opinions, I disagree. A Seal Point IS brown ... a very, very dark, almost black-brown, but brown nonetheless. Being that Duke is still pretty much a youngster, my guess is that he will darken up with age. The pinkish brown paw pads are not the be-all-end-all defining clue as to his point color. My Pearl (now not quite 6 month old) still has pinkish paw pads and she is most definately a Seal Point. Her ears are still pink on the inside and again, she is a Seal Point.

This is my 3 year old girl, Lexus and her 5 month old daughter, Pearl.





Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Lexus and Pearl are gorgeous. Now, how about a picture of George? I know they want to see George.

Originally Posted by Yosemite

Lexus and Pearl are gorgeous. Now, how about a picture of George?

I know they want to see George.

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*grin* Here's my Georgeous Boy

Gaye he is so beautiful! You must be so proud

oh my gosh, beauty personified...
Seeing such wonderful photos of Siamese cats everyday is making the waiting period so difficult for me...
But I can't help it!

The litter is currently 4 weeks old...and I have to wait 'til they've had their first set of vaccinations before I can even go and see them. I'm not going to make it!

Honestly, I can't believe how eager I am to get one home and gloat to EVERYONE I know. It doesn't help that friends ask me on a daily basis whether or not I've heard anything new about the siamese kittens.