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post #31 of 47
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Originally Posted by HopeHacker View Post
Old style Persians ARE purebred. They just aren't show quality, just like Applehead Siamese or Old Style Siamese are purebred.

I don't think these kittens look like Doll Faced Persians though, I think they look like mixed breeds. Maybe part Persian, but not purebreds.
I guess there are differences between Sweden and the US in this matter. In Sweden (Europe) you simply won't find purebred Persians with the old style look.

We don't have Applehead Siamese or Old Style Siamese here either.

And by old style look in the Persian I mean really old such as these cats:
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...amPersian4.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...amPersian8.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...tePersian2.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...tePersian5.gif
post #32 of 47
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Originally Posted by Sol View Post
I guess there are differences between Sweden and the US in this matter. In Sweden (Europe) you simply won't find purebred Persians with the old style look.

We don't have Applehead Siamese or Old Style Siamese here either.

And by old style look in the Persian I mean really old such as these cats:
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...amPersian4.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...amPersian8.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...tePersian2.gif
http://www.pawpeds.com/pawacademy/hi...tePersian5.gif
I haven't seen many that look like those in the pictures. I have seen a lot of Doll Faced Persians, they have a bit more of a nose than the Peek Faced Persians, but I think they're more beautiful. I don't know if you get the Fancy Feast Commercials in Sweden, but the Fancy Feast cat is a Doll Faced Persian. Here, Doll faced Persians aren't accepted for show, although I think they SHOULD be, neither are Applehead Siamese, although both Doll faced Persians and Applehead Siamerse can have Pedigree papers.
post #33 of 47
The shaded silvers and chinchilla silver (which is the Fancy Feast cat) tend not to be as extreme as the other color persians - which I like too
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post #35 of 47
Thread Starter 
thank you sweety I will be posting more when my hubby will remember *one day* to bring his camera from his job....
post #36 of 47
They are so beautiful
post #37 of 47
Thread Starter 
Bella 713
i always notic your pic of Bella and your comment underneat, and my heart aches. I guess you miss her so much, she was such a beautiful cat.
post #38 of 47
Gorgeous kitten, and Muxu is so beautiful also.

I for one would say that they are purebred Persian, just pet quality ones.

As for their color the white one, is white with green eyes. And the brown one is probably a Classic Brown Tabby. I would have to see her sides to tell you if it's the right classification. A Classic Tabby has a bulleye in his/her tabby pattern.
post #39 of 47
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I will take some more pictures when hubby brings camera from work (he's a photografer) and will take pics of her sides then. She has like nlond small highlights in the sides but I guess pics are better to see
post #40 of 47
If her tabby markings are like long lines, then she will be a Mackerel Tabby.

This is a Mackerel tabby

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And this is a Calssic tabby

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post #41 of 47
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Originally Posted by Lilo View Post
Gorgeous kitten, and Muxu is so beautiful also.

I for one would say that they are purebred Persian, just pet quality ones.

As for their color the white one, is white with green eyes. And the brown one is probably a Classic Brown Tabby. I would have to see her sides to tell you if it's the right classification. A Classic Tabby has a bulleye in his/her tabby pattern.
I don't think they are purebred. I have two pet quality persians, so I have an idea of what they should look like. The eyes on the tabby, for one, should be copper. They are not, they are greenish.
The white cat should have blue eyes. His eyes are greenish also. The white persians with green eyes are very rare. I rather think it's mixed with something to give him this eye color. Especially the tabby does not look purebred. They are very pretty cats, regardless.
post #42 of 47
Thread Starter 
yeps, that's what I was told earlier too, when I first had him he had brilliant blue eyes.
Lilo - she does not look like the one in the pic, around the spine is dark brown, along the sides lighter with light small highlights (like touched with a painting brush) but has the mark M on the forehead too (at least that's what i see) I had so many definition of what she is supposed to be...
post #43 of 47
But the tabby does have copper eyes, maybe not deep copper.

A white cat can also have copper eyes, not only blues. But here we are talking about Pet Quality cats, so their eyes could be another color.

As for the body shape, here a photo of my Persian, it was taken 26 years ago, and she's a mix of white Persian and Chinchilla Persian.

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Her eyes should have been, but because her father was a Copper eyed White, her own eyes was a mix of copper and green.
post #44 of 47
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snow's are now green - grey. And georgie's are defenatetly brown with a thin circle of gree near the pupil. ( I investigated just now :P) Snow's structure of the face is like you cat though lilo, but georgie's is more .. not flat....but flatter than snow's. I must take more photos !
post #45 of 47
If the spine line on the tabby is wide, then it should be a mackeral tabby.
post #46 of 47
Thread Starter 
yes it is quite wide
post #47 of 47
Here's the description of a classic tabby and a mackeral tabby. The spine description is in bold for each:


Classic Tabby Pattern Description: Markings dense, clearly defined and broad showing good contrast between the pale ground color and the deep, heavy markings. Legs evenly barred with bracelets coming up to meet the body markings. Tail evenly ringed. At least one unbroken necklace on neck or upper chest. Frown marks on the forehead extending between the ears and down the neck to meet the “butterfly”, single or double, on the shoulders. An unbroken line runs back from the outer corner of the eye to the ear. Swirls on cheeks. Back markings consist of a vertical line down the spine from Butterfly to tail with a vertical stripe paralleling it on each side. The three stripes well separated by stripes of the ground color. The dark swirls on the sides of the body shall be centered by a dark blotch surrounded by the ground color. The underside of the body should have a double vertical row of buttons in the color of the dense markings.

Mc Tabby Pattern Description: Markings dense, clearly defined and all narrow penciling, showing good contrast between the pale ground color and the dense markings. Legs evenly barred with bracelets coming up to meet the body markings. Tail evenly ringed. At least one unbroken necklace on neck or upper chest. Frown marks on the forehead extending between the ears and down the neck to meet the shoulders. An unbroken line runs back from the outer corner of the eye to the ear. There are three distinct spine lines but they are very narrow and often meld into what looks like one wide stripe without fault. Narrow penciling lines in the dense marking color run around the body in vertical fashion in the unbroken lines. The underside of the body should have a double row of vertical buttons in the color of the dense markings
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