placenta but no kitten

[judycats]

hello everyone please excuse my English
my cat loly gave birth after one single contraction to a placenta then she stopped no contractions no more cleaned herself ate half the placenta and went back to her normal life dispite some visits to the kittening box
any ideas please and have searched and searched seems no one have had this experience before
am sure this was a placenta she did no eat the kitten and it is not stuck in the birth canal

she is a flat face himelayan 18 months of age

 

[mwallace056]

@catwoman707  @StefanZ  If you have any ideas why

 

[mwallace056]

In the meantime I suggest talking to a vet

 

[StefanZ]

hello everyone please excuse my English
my cat loly gave birth after one single contraction to a placenta then she stopped no contractions no more cleaned herself ate half the placenta and went back to her normal life dispite some visits to the kittening box
any ideas please and have searched and searched seems no one have had this experience before
am sure this was a placenta she did no eat the kitten and it is not stuck in the birth canal

she is a flat face himelayan 18 months of age

Had you felt and saw the kitten move earlier, before the delivery?   Was there perhaps also more kittens??

If you didnt felt it move, my guess is the kitten got absorbed, but not the placenta, by some reason.

If you felt it move, it means its still inside.   I hope it will be expelled with time, dead I think.

Is she fine now, no visible problems nothing?

If so, there is no immediate hurry.  But contact your vet, perhaps something will be necessary to do, to get the kittens body out.

Especielly if there are more kittens.

Normally it would be OK for them to wait to be delivered in their own time, even to recommend it, but having a dead body as nearest neigbour cant be healthy.

If you have several vets to choose among, consult one who is experienced with obstetrics.

Tx  MrWallace for paging me and Catwoman, and for suggesting contact with the vet.

Good luck!

 

[judycats]

Had you felt and saw the kitten move earlier, before the delivery?   Was there perhaps also more kittens??

If you didnt felt it move, my guess is the kitten got absorbed, but not the placenta, by some reason.

If you felt it move, it means its still inside.   I hope it will be expelled with time, dead I think.

Is she fine now, no visible problems nothing?

If so, there is no immediate hurry.  But contact your vet, perhaps something will be necessary to do, to get the kittens body out.
Especielly if there are more kittens.

Normally it would be OK for them to wait to be delivered in their own time, even to recommend it, but having a dead body as nearest neigbour cant be healthy.

If you have several vets to choose among, consult one who is experienced with obstetrics.


Tx  MrWallace for paging me and Catwoman, and for suggesting contact with the vet.


Good luck!

hello I really appretiate your help and the helo of the member paging you

well yes I could feel them earlier and still can feel their movement
she is just pretty much fine she is eating purring drinking sleeping roaming almost normally

what are your thoughts ?

 

[mwallace056]

When you say roaming, do you mean she not with her kittens the most of time?

 

[StefanZ]

hello I really appretiate your help and the helo of the member paging you

well yes I could feel them earlier and still can feel their movement
she is just pretty much fine she is eating purring drinking sleeping roaming almost normally

what are your thoughts ?

As said, normally I would say, pauses happens and are ok, as long as mom is fine and there is no problems.  Just to wait and see when the other kittens arrive in their own time. Be watchful because its touchy, but you can wait.

Here you are sure the placenta got out, but no kitten.    Its no maybe perhaps, you are SURE.

I DO hope the kitten got absorbed.  If so, there is no problem and its just to wait and see, as above.

But I dont know for sure.   I think its first time something such happens here on this forum.

So Im nervous.  A dead body in there with the alive kittens is not good.  A cesarean, or a hormone induced labor, may be necessary.   The risk is, the kittens may be premature.  And premature kittens is always a fight uphill.     So its like in the proverb, a choose between the plague and the cholera.   Both have its dangers, both may be deadly for the alive but yet unborn kittens.

But the cesarean or induced labor, is the safe bet for the moms life, comparing with  a rotten kitten inside and waiting and hoping for the best.

(Do you know how many days the pregnancy is at this moment?  How long had you felt the kittens move?)

Try and contact your vets, or even - several vets, what they do advise.

 

[judycats]

@catwoman707 @StefanZ

 

[StefanZ]

Ps.   A dead kitten inside isnt always a catastrophe for the mom.  It seems they often get calcifierated and incrusted into a ball, so to speak.  Without bothering the mom.  So it perhaps would be a big deal if the kittens were delivered, but  one placenta come out without any kitten with it.

But it cant be healthy for the other kittens still alive if they arent yet delivered.

Also, we dont know if the mom always survives such.   We know SOME do, becase such calcifiered small balls are sometimes found, perhaps at spaying.  But Im rather sure some moms do perish.

 

[StefanZ]

@catwoman707 @StefanZ

Have you phoned any vet?

 

[judycats]

When you say roaming, do you mean she not with her kittens the most of time?

she did not have kittens yet
I mean she walks around normal

 

[StefanZ]

she did not have kittens yet
I mean she walks around normal

Do you know exactly how long is her pregnancy?  Or at least, when had you began to feel the kittens move?

 

[judycats]

Ps.   A dead kitten inside isnt always a catastrophe for the mom.  It seems they often get calcifierated and incrusted into a ball, so to speak.  Without bothering the mom.  So it perhaps would be a big deal if the kittens were delivered, but  one placenta come out without any kitten with it.
But it cant be healthy for the other kittens still alive if they arent yet delivered.
Also, we dont know if the mom always survives such.   We know SOME do, becase such calcifiered small balls are sometimes found, perhaps at spaying.  But Im rather sure some moms do perish.

I can still feel them move in their as they did before
mother is OK
yes an sure it was a placenta and she ate half of it I dont think I saw aby imbelical cord though it was just a placenta and then everything went back to normal [emoji]128542[/emoji]
vets in my area have no enough experience and could not give me an answer they mainly agreed to monitor the mother if in distress with no kittens bring her to get the hormone shot that will help with contractions

 

[judycats]

Do you know exactly how long is her pregnancy?  Or at least, when had you began to feel the kittens move?

yes she is 65-66 days into pregnancy

 

[StefanZ]

yes she is 65-66 days into pregnancy

OK, so if the vet deems its time for the hormone induced labor, or a cesarean, its no problem for the kittens.

They wont be premature.

So you do have this safety.   And really, its the safe bet, I think.  For the mom, but also here for the other kittens.

 

[StefanZ]

ps.   Although if you go forward with induced labor or cesarean, prepare YOU must help them in the beginning.   Prepare some KMR or goat milk, some needleless syringe, etc... Learn how to give with that syringe, etc...

Be sure you keep them warm too..

 

[feralvr]

I don't have birthing experience but my instinct would tell me that IF the placenta has come out first and kittens still inside then they must need to come out quickly now. I would opt for the cesarean. I am sure you are keeping a constant vigil by her side at this point. I just worry about the kittens now if placenta is out.

Stefan added and I too, be prepared for possible hand-rearing and assist along side momma cat.

Extra helpful and life-saving information:
http://www.kitten-rescue.com/
http://www.kittenrescue.org/index.php/cat-care/kitten-care-handbook/

Kitten glop recipe:
http://www.hdw-inc.com/glop.htm

 

[catwoman707]

I just read through your thread now, and I don't think she actually delivered this placenta, you said in one contraction, what she did was push it out of her basically and was not in labor.

It can be from a self aborted fetus that was reabsorbed, but the placentas for some reason don't seem to get reabsorbed, so it must come out.

I think she will go in to active labor within the next couple of days, so I personally would hold off on panicking or having them taken surgically, as I believe they are still safe and fine, and will come soon enough.

 

[judycats]

ps.   Although if you go forward with induced labor or cesarean, prepare YOU must help them in the beginning.   Prepare some KMR or goat milk, some needleless syringe, etc... Learn how to give with that syringe, etc...

Be sure you keep them warm too..

I don't have birthing experience but my instinct would tell me that IF the placenta has come out first and kittens still inside then they must need to come out quickly now. I would opt for the cesarean. I am sure you are keeping a constant vigil by her side at this point. I just worry about the kittens now if placenta is out.

Stefan added and I too, be prepared for possible hand-rearing and assist along side momma cat.

Extra helpful and life-saving information:
http://www.kitten-rescue.com/
http://www.kittenrescue.org/index.php/cat-care/kitten-care-handbook/

Kitten glop recipe:
http://www.hdw-inc.com/glop.htm

I just read through your thread now, and I don't think she actually delivered this placenta, you said in one contraction, what she did was push it out of her basically and was not in labor.
It can be from a self aborted fetus that was reabsorbed, but the placentas for some reason don't seem to get reabsorbed, so it must come out.

I think she will go in to active labor within the next couple of days, so I personally would hold off on panicking or having them taken surgically, as I believe they are still safe and fine, and will come soon enough.

thank you everyone
she went into labor 4 hours ago and gave birth to 2 kittens with their placentas
since then she seems fine nursing and calm
am not sure yet if there are still kitten to come or not
kitten look fine suckling the nipples but a little bit weak and slow

I tend to beleive the first placenta was for an absorbed kitten

how can I be sure that she has no kitten or placentas left inside her and that she is done?
and how do I know if the babies are nursing correctly and are getting enough milk or not ?

 

[StefanZ]

thank you everyone
she went into labor 4 hours ago and gave birth to 2 kittens with their placentas
since then she seems fine nursing and calm
am not sure yet if there are still kitten to come or not
kitten look fine suckling the nipples but a little bit weak and slow

I tend to beleive the first placenta was for an absorbed kitten

how can I be sure that she has no kitten or placentas left inside her and that she is done?
and how do I know if the babies are nursing correctly and are getting enough milk or not ?

You know if they get enough by weighing them every day, best an electronical scale in grammes.   In the beginning till they are stabilized, meassure every 12 hours.

They may lose some directly after the delivery, so their overall gain the first day will be low.  But later on it shall be about 10+ grammes.

If they were delivered very small, -90, it may be lesser.  But 6+ is a minimum.

Also, looking seeing and weighting them in hand gives you some idea of how they are gaining.

Re the other question, its difficult to know, especielly as here...   Normally you could wait and see, as far everything is OK, but here you do have this unfortunate complication.

Although kittens suckling  gives here some impulses to proceed with the contractions, if there is something inside just waiting to come out.

Could it be so, she managed to deliver a kitten earlier, when you didnt saw, it was stillborne, and in this case she often eats them up, practically no trace left, just some wet spot perhaps.

And the placenta come afterwards as it should???

It depends how close you did observed her.   But it can go fairly quickly.   Did she had somehting alike a labor befoer the placenta come out?