My Friend is so Selfish :(

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One of my long time friends is so selfish.  I've always known that she is very "Me! Me! Me!" oriented. She has a very "strong" personality and can come across as bully-ish when she wants to get her own way.

My health hasn't been good for several years, and is getting worse.  Plus I have depression issues, quite severe at times.   I took cake decorating classes some years ago just for the fun of it and to learn what my Mom used to do. I had no intention of making a career out of it. It was just something for my own interest and to save myself money in the event I ever wanted to make a cake or cupcakes.

She bullied me for months and months about making her a birthday cake for her birthday last year.   I've been off work since August 2014 with health issues and depression/anxiety. And I had a heart attack in January 2015.  I just wasn't up to baking and decorating a cake.  Decorating a cake is tedious work that requires patience.  I lack patience these days; big time. In fact I have pretty much zero patience.  Plus I really hate baking, and she knows that. Yet she kept pushing and pushing. Finally I just said yes in order to shut her up. 

The cake I made for her would have cost her more than $350 if she were to go to a bakery to buy it.   And she didn't even cut and serve the cake at any of her 3 parties that she had on her birthday weekend! Instead she served the pan cakes that people were bringing with them to her house.  She took my cake to her work one night shift and let the staff eat it.  I was so pee'd off!   I spent 5 days making that cake and all of the decorations that were on it, and spent about $100 on supplies, and she didn't even serve it to her guests. She took it to work like it was some cast-off left over.  I talked to her about it later, and she really didn't see it as any big deal.  It still burns me :(

Anyway, like I said, I've always known that she is very "Me! Me! Me!" but lately it's been really bothering me.

I started a diet in January and am working with a bariatric clinic in Edmonton, AB.  I am seeking bariatric surgery to help with my weight loss.   I had a heart attack last year in January and I doubt I'll make my 60th birthday unless I get control of my weight. I have diabetes, cholesterol issues, heart issues, pain issues, walking is hard, exercising is hard, and even caring for my daily personal grooming has become hard. 

I've been doing quite well on my diet and working towards my goal.   Prior to January, she used to pester me to go out 3 or 4 times per week for lunch, dinner, movie, or shopping etc.  Once I started seriously on my quest, suddenly she just stopped calling me.   All my friends were supportive of my posts on my Facebook page, but she was absent from them. Not even a simple "Like" or comment like "Good for you!"  Just nothing.  Yet I saw that she was going out with other friends to movies, dinner, lunch, events, museum, shopping, etc.

I would send her texts and receive one or two word replies such as "I'm good"  or "I already have plans."   And once we did have plans to go out shopping and then dinner and a movie. She canceled with a lame excuse that her Mom wanted to Henna their hair that day, so she had to cancel.   I later saw on her Facebook page that she had gone out to dinner at one of the casinos with some friends that very same day/evening.

Finally after about 7 weeks I talked to her about how I was feeling and she told me that she "didn't want to sabotage your diet" and that she was "trying to be supportive."  I told her that there is a difference between being supportive and total abandonment and being ignored. Again, she didn't seem to see it as a problem.  She told me that I was being overly sensitive.  I don't think I was.   We went from talking and texting almost every day and going out 2 or 3 times per week,  to no communication for 7 weeks other than one or two word text responses.

Things have improved a little. She knows that I can go out and have lunch or dinner and still continue on my diet and quest for bariatric surgery.  But it's still different.  In the last 5 months, I think we've gotten together maybe 10 or 11 times.  Once this month. It would have been twice but I wasn't able to go to her party last week because I have been having so much pain this month from the weather. I've been pretty bed ridden from it actually.  

Over the months contacted her a few times to ask if she wanted to do something on a certain day, but she always has plans.  Yet when she is interested in getting together with me it's on short notice, like the morning of, or "When can you be ready by?"

Today for example.  I took a turkey out last weekend so I could make room in my freezer. I put it in the oven around 12:30 pm or so and went to lay down for a few hours until it was ready.  Around 1 pm, my cell phone was ringing like crazy.  After the 5th time  I got out of bed to see who it was.  It was her.   She was driving towards downtown and decided to call me to see what I was doing.   She wanted to do something this afternoon and early evening because she wasn't working tonight at 11 pm.   I told her that I had a turkey in the oven, and that I couldn't and that had she called earlier this morning I would have been able to go.

She wanted to pick me up when the turkey was done. I told her that wasn't possible because I couldn't just take the turkey out of the oven and leave it. I had to wait for it to cook a bit and then cut it up.  Her next solution was for me to turn the oven down and let it cook in the oven for 7 or 8 hours.  I told her that I wasn't going to leave my oven on for 7 or 8 hours unattended. Plus the turkey is $30, and I wasn't going to take the chance that it would dry out and be ruined. And again said that if she had contacted me earlier before I had put in the turkey, I would have gone.

She was very put off by that. I wouldn't say angry, but she sure wasn't understanding.

I just feel like I'm kind of a "last resort" fill in when her other friends are busy.  She plans events in advance with other people, but with me it's always short notice. When I try to plan in advance, she's always got plans already.

I'm not really sure what is different now than before.  Like I said I've always known that she was selfish and very "me" oriented. I just don't know what it's bothering me so much these days.

Thanks for listening.  I would have posted this on my Facebook page, but we have several friends in common and she would either see this directly, or hear about it from one of our mutual friends.
 

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Sorry someone is treating you this way. Why do you consider her a friend? She sure does not meet any friend definition that I know of. I sure hope you have other good people in your life. 

Congratulations on making progress with your diet and health goals. Do what the doc tells you and stay here on TCS with us for many more years.
 

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So sorry for everything you are living and dealing with.  I'm going to agree with the others and ask why keep her as a friend?  

This is no way to treat a friend. Frankly, I'd be done with her. I know it's difficult to cut people lose from life but if they make you miserable, are not there cheering you on - they don't deserve to be in your life in any capacity.

FYI - it's fantastic that you're doing things to help yourself be healthier.  Please do not allow others to drag you down 
 
 
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I know what it's like to have your circle of friends shrink and THEN have to decide it's time to end a long friendship.  Some friends are for seasons and seasons change.  I went through that with a friend who was going through a hard time during my last pregnancy (so I also had an 18 month old at home).  I didn't support her the way she thought I should have.  That was what it came down to.  This person knows my deepest and darkest secrets; but she didn't understand.  It got ugly before I said "enough."  Shes now a mom to a newborn and shes seeing the world through my eyes.  It's just the beginning for her; but we are talking from time to time.  I know I needed the support when I was a new mom.  But I had to put my family and myself first for almost 4 years.  

She sounds toxic and narcissistic.  Friendship based solely on convenience is not friendship.  If it can't work 2 ways; it's not friendship.  You deserve better!!
 

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When I lived in the city years ago I had a friend I was very close to for many years.  We were almost like sisters.  I later moved to the suburbs and so did she.  We hung out a little bit on the weekends after the moves.  All of the sudden she started demanding I go where she wanted and when she wanted.  I work full-time and she did not have a job. She got mad at me because I would not go out during the week when I had to work at 7am.  She also had a tendency to change plans at the last minute.  I finally got fed up and told her that friendship is a two way street and that I did not appreciate her attitude.  She quit talking to me and decided to make demands on my time through another mutual friend.  I got fed up and told our other friend to tell her to communicate with me directly.  I also finally told her that it was rude to treat my friend as her personal assistant. I finally gave up and no longer contact her anymore.  She called me once out of the blue for advice about her cat and then I never heard from her again.  All of the sudden last week she sends me a text demanding that I drive 45 minutes away for her birthday party in the city and threw a temper tantrum when I told her I was busy with work that weekend.  Neither myself or the mutual friend bother to make plans with her anymore.  

Sometimes people just do not know just how self centered they really are.  Don't let people like that drag you down.  You need support from your friends and not added stress. If she valued your friendship then she would not want to be around you only when she has nothing else to do.  You deserve a lot more respect than that from a close friend.  It sounds like you are both at different places in your lives and she does not understand that.

Good luck on your journey to get to a healthier you.
 
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Thanks everyone :)   Yes, she's very narcissistic.   She's also a large girl.  She used to be larger than I was; but I surpassed her now.   Because of my back pain issues, our typical outings consist of more sedate activities like shopping, mostly at places that have shopping scooters that I can use due to back pain, mani/pedis, and dining out or movies. Very occasionally, bowling.  

She doesn't cook and instead she and her 12 year old son eat out for all of their meals.   Eating out is a big social activity for her, and at one time for me too, but it isn't good for weight loss.  I used to be her "buffet buddy" and I think she's feeling left behind.  Since I started on my diet, I mostly cook my own meals so I know what is in the food and can do portion control.  But that doesn't mean that I can't go out for lunch or dinner occasionally. I just have to make smart choices of where and what to eat.  And there are other activities to do other than eating.  Bowling for example, or the museum movies, those live escape rooms, local concerts/theater etc.  She's been wanting to take cake decorating and wants me to go with her which I've told her I would.   I've tried to get her to come to my place, but I have cats and she's extremely terrified of them, even though they would be in a different room, she's freaked that they could escape, so she refuses to come to my place for dinner.  To be honest, we are making a bit of progress.  When we go out to eat, she doesn't suggest buffets to me anymore and usually lets me pick the restaurant since I know mostly which ones have foods that fit into my diet plan.

I've never once suggested that she is too heavy and should lose weight, or that she should join me on my diet etc.  In fact I don't even discuss my journey with her unless she asks.  She told me a long time ago (2008) when I was doing aqua fit, how she really likes aqua fit.  I've been wanting to join the Y and do aqua fit 3 times per week. I suggested that she sign up too so that we could go together.  The gym is only a few blocks from where she used to work (she's now changed jobs).  She's never said one way or another whether she is interested or not and I haven't pressed the issue.  I still plan on joining once my hip pain settles. I had intention of signing up at the beginning of May, butt it's been hot and cold here this past month and it's exacerbating my pain so I've put it on hold since there is no sense signing up and paying for something that I'm not able to use.

I've come to realize that she "collects people."  She has a few friends that are long term, but that circle seems to be shrinking. One (let's call her Jane) distanced herself  a year or so ago because of how she (my friend) acted before Jane's wedding.  She was supposed to be in the wedding party and Janel told her bridesmaids that their dresses could be different styles so long as they were the same colour.  My friend decided that she wanted to have her dress made, so she started to collect fabric swatches to show them so they could decide on a colour. I guess she assumed that the other girl's would want to get their dresses custom made too.  Jane found a dress shop that had a lovely selection of dresses, and picked the colour that she wanted the dresses to be, and told her bridesmaids to go there and select a dress from the selected styles, that could be made in the colour she had chosen. There were 6 different dress styles available. I thought they were all gorgeous. But my friend didn't like any of them.  She's really into bling and fancy decor and she thought the dresses were too plain and she wanted to have her own dress made.  Since the other girls were picking dresses from a particular dress shop, the fabric and colour would be the same. Jane kept telling her to pick from the ones in the shop, but my friend saying she didn't like the styles and kept pushing to have her own dress made. Even after that she kept bringing the bride fabric swatches for approval.  The end result was being expelled from the bridal party and disinvited to the wedding.   She doesn't think she did anything wrong.   I don't blame Jane.  Planning  a wedding is stressful enough without your so called best friend digging in her heels about the dress she is supposed to be wearing.  They are still in each others' Facebook, and when they run into each other at socials (a pre-wedding fundraising party) they are cordial to each other, but they no longer get together and go out.

Another is on again, off again with their friendship.  She feels that her health and weight are being sabotaged because all my friend wants to do is go out to eat. In fact, she's ended their friendship a couple of times, but later they end up patching things up, at least for a while.

When we get together I do enjoy her company.  As personalities go we seem to compliment each other.  She's boisterous and outgoing and gets me out of my comfort zone... and out of the house where I tend to spend way too much time being a "home-body".  And I'm more sedate and reign her in and keep her in check.  I genuinely love her like she's my sister that I never had.  We've known each other 25 years.

She's the same person she has always been, and we've gotten along well enough in the past so I don't want to write off a friendship unless I have to.  She can be a very kind person when she puts herself and her self interests aside.  And she's definitely fun to be around.   I know I'm changing because I have to.  I'm also aware that my health issues as well as income  have played a role in the change of our friendship. Since I've been off work on disability my income has been cut in 1/2.  So I don't have unlimited funds to party or shop. Plus I'm now having to fund travel to another province for medical care every few months.

My friend is a nurse and makes excellent money. Until a couple weeks ago, she lived at home with her Mom and didn't have to pay rent or anything other than a car payment, so her  income has been completely disposable.  She's a social butterfly and likes to get out and be around people, lots of people. I'm more of a small group gathering type person and prefer quieter times. Since I'm not working I likely have more time to sit and reflect... and dwell.  

Everywhere she goes, she leaves with phone numbers of "new friends."   She has so many "friends" that she doesn't have time to nurture any of those relationships. Her other  friends either work days, or nights, and because she knows I'm not working right now,  that my calendar is often open during the day.  When I'm able,  I do go out on short notice and for the most part I don't mind. In fact given how I feel from day-to-day, sometimes short notice works best for me. But there are times like today that that just doesn't work for me and she needs to understand and accept graciously that even though my social calendar is not full, that my life doesn't revolve around her.  I also need her to understand and appreciate how I feel about always being seen as a "fill in" for her spare time.  Unfortunately she doesn't seem to see a problem, and until she does, nothing can be fixed.  I'm willing to put in the effort, and I think I have been, or at least I've been trying to.  I just need her to do the same.   Maybe we need "marriage" counseling?  LOL
 
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Originally Posted by catlover73  

 It sounds like you are both at different places in your lives and she does not understand that.
I think that is the problem too.  My health has gotten worse, hers has remained the same.  Because of my weight, my back pain has worsened to the point it has affected my mobility and my activities have been limited to things that don't require a lot of standing or walking.  Not that we were ever active in our activities, but we had more options open when I could walk around freely.

I'm also on a quest to lose weight and regain my health.  Since she is happy with her body size and her health isn't being affected by it, she doesn't understand, or doesn't seem to have the ability to understand and appreciate my need to make the changes in my life that I'm making.   Even if she showed some support such as liking my Facebook posts, or telling me that she's happy for me for having made the decision to make life altering changes, it would make a lot of difference.  But she doesn't.  She ignores and considers that to be supportive.

Our friendship is definitely going  through an adjustment period and will survive, or it won't. I guess time will be the deciding factor.  I've had friendships in the past where our life paths have diverged and went in different directions and the friendships just petered out.  Mostly when my friends were in childbearing years and were having children or getting remarried and having more children.  I just couldn't relate and to be honest, I didn't want to be around a bunch of young kids and babies. I grew tired of my friends with kids carting their kids with them when we would go to dinner.  Or bringing them over to my house and having them break and destroy my things.    I tried hard to be the loving Aunty and would even take their kids for the weekend to give them adult time.  But I'm just not into kids.  Contact with them grew less and less until it became nonexistent.    This may be one of those friendships. 
 

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that's a hard one. I have family members who also "collect" friends. And they never come to the house the following year during holidays. One of them got into my face about private matters-I stuck out my claws and told her off.

I know you should do what you need to do-tell her off-but then again it sounds like codependency. She is making you feel bad-by transferring the issue from her back to you. That's not a real friend.

I think you should start hiding your posts from her-you can set up to hide certain people then each time you make a new posting-the app remembers the people who you set up to not see your posts..I do this often to family.

If you bump her off facebook would she call and harass you? Is there a workout group that you could get together with who have the same goals as you do? You need new friends. But the older I get-I don't want any new friends. Sometimes being alone is not the worst thing in the world.

Hope you feel better today. here in NH its mid 60s and I should be outside but the black flies are wicked lately.
 

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I understand not wanting to end a friendship especially you have had for years. But some people who are great in the beginning start to be toxic after a while.  I had a friend we were like sisters always together and doing things. I was in a bad relationship and she helped me get out. She was married but also had her men on the side while her husband worked out of town. I never said nothing to her even though I didn't think it was right. 

Any way she started dating my cousin. My cousin has no job, lives with his mom and on drugs. He was and still is using her for the money she has and what she can do for him. So after a three year friendship for us. She was with him a few months and he convinced her I was using her. Yes she would give me money from time to time but I would clean her house a few times a week. I would watch her boys when she wanted to stay all night with her boyfriends. So I always worked for what she gave me. 

Then a couple things happened to sever the friendship. She wanted to bring my cousin to stay all night at her house. She wanted me to tell her boys he was my boyfriend and was going to stay when I was there. I put my foot down and said no. One was because I told her if you are going to cheat don't bring it to your house that you share with your husband. It's bad enough you are doing it but completely disrespectful if you bring him to his bed. 

She got mad over that. Then when I moved to another state she wanted me to come in for her son's graduation. Me and my SO did not have the money to come down. She went to Facebook and ranted over it. Instead of being a woman and calling me. 

I ended the friendship then. There are times I miss my friend. I miss who she was before but not who she became. 

My point is that people change, sometimes it's them, sometimes it's you. Sometimes a friendship isn't possible because of that. If she isn't cheering you on and supporting you then it may be time to end it. 
 

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Today for example.  I took a turkey out last weekend so I could make room in my freezer. I put it in the oven around 12:30 pm or so and went to lay down for a few hours until it was ready.  Around 1 pm, my cell phone was ringing like crazy.  After the 5th time  I got out of bed to see who it was.  It was her.   She was driving towards downtown and decided to call me to see what I was doing.   She wanted to do something this afternoon and early evening because she wasn't working tonight at 11 pm.   I told her that I had a turkey in the oven, and that I couldn't and that had she called earlier this morning I would have been able to go.

She wanted to pick me up when the turkey was done. I told her that wasn't possible because I couldn't just take the turkey out of the oven and leave it. I had to wait for it to cook a bit and then cut it up.  Her next solution was for me to turn the oven down and let it cook in the oven for 7 or 8 hours.  I told her that I wasn't going to leave my oven on for 7 or 8 hours unattended. Plus the turkey is $30, and I wasn't going to take the chance that it would dry out and be ruined. And again said that if she had contacted me earlier before I had put in the turkey, I would have gone.

She was very put off by that. I wouldn't say angry, but she sure wasn't understanding.
Gosh, I just re-read this.  It's crazy making behavior and incredibly self-centered and immature.

I couldn't tolerate this. Voicing again how difficult to end a friendship can be but honestly, this isn't a friend.  
 

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Many many hugs doll 
 And big props for sticking to the well being of your health, it's particularly trickier (to put it lightly) when outside factors are involved 
 you have good strong character!




I won't go deep into it, after all, this is all about you and that is most important! but I've had friends who were self-involved and stressful too. Even to the point where I was there for them and their sick parents all the way (One had a sick mother, one had a dad who got into a serious motorcycle accident) driving them to the hospital for visits (Which is an hour long commute for me), and I gave gifts, cards and flowers, but when my father had a stroke and later cancer, I was all alone and they were just focused on what they wanted to do - aka I was the bad guy for not being able to go out or chat online because I was busy. They actually unfriended me on facebook, which I believe was a test for me to chase them. I didn't chase, even when they re-sended requests I didn't accept . Games might happen when everyone is 15 years old, but not when you are all pushing your mid-20's. There were many other examples prior to it, and other issues like me being the one where everyone puts down in order to make another feel better. It goes on and on! Anyway, the former ended up being a last straw. 

And I've had other old friends long ago, who dumped me for boys, couple instances had a kid with the boys, then they would break up and come crawling back and expect me to take care of them.

My mother, my dad, aunts/uncles, and other friends both male and female, coworkers, amongst other folks I know, all had at least one instance of that type of friend(s) or even blood relatives. Definitely not a rare phenomenon. 
 self centered ones, competitive ones, saboteur ones, etc etc!

It's hard sometimes making the choice to sever a friendship - might hold on to go the good memories that did happen, might hold on to the possibility of improvements, the friendship altogether lasted so long it feels like throwing away decades of your life. But at the same time it does feel freeing when it is done and over with! When you are no longer bitter or aggravated about something, especially on an almost regular occurrence. You can do things and go online without worrying about seeing or hearing something. You can actually purely focus on all the good stuff and good people that are there and there for you. Losing a bad friend is not a loss, but a gain, and an experience.

And it's easy to forget that we deserve better - and more new friends are just around the corner if wanted.  And you are still a young woman with lot's of years ahead of you when your health problems are conquered. 




Thanks for sharing with us, we are all rooting for you 
 hope you feel better soon too!
 
 
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