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Cat information - Pierce 6 yr old fixed male
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Health history (**extremely long**) - he was very sick as a baby (was actually my foster from the shelter I worked at at the time) weighed 1.7 lbs at 3 months, chronic URI (supposedly calici virus and feline herpes), extreme diarrhea due to coccidia, and ear mites. Needless to say he didn’t have an easy started to life.
once infections were cleared with him and his litter mate Pierce was still congested and hacking, he responded somewhat to rounds of steroid injections and prednisolone but only somewhat. Asthma was on our radar but since steroids weren’t fully controlling his respiratory issues my vet suggested an exploratory scope procedure. At this point Pierce seemed runty, hadn’t grown much since 5 months, didn’t respond as expected to traditional treatments so we went for the scope treatment. What was found was a rather large polyp under his soft pallet at the top of his throat.This was removed at the time and he recovered rather well, he did experience horners syndrome from nerve damaged but it resolved.
all seemed fine for several following months. He got better, stronger, and was about to finally meow properly and purr for the first time! Because of the polyp my vet assumed it was not asthma causing issues, rather congestion from the growth and perhaps left over lung issues from his illness as a kitten. We just continued to monitor. At two years old however the hacking and coughing came back. At this time he did need a dental cleaning and we discussed checking while he was under of the polyp was returning (there is a 50% chance it could grow back during his life) well the polyp was not there. Which was good news however it did not explain the coughing, we discussed trying a course of pred to see how he would responded and a chronic inflammation disorder or genetic syndrome was on the radar. At this time I was unfortunately moving states so I had to switch vets. We started a course of steroids with a new vet and he did GREAT! My new vet was extremely conservative with steroids, as one should be, so we did tapered courses as needed to control the asthma.
however April 2022 Pierce had a hypertensive episode with a suspected stroke. He collapsed, his breathing was elevated, his pupils were different sizes. He almost died, the ER vet tried to have me put him down, I refused. His Blood pressure was so high he could have coded. His Retinas detached due to pressure. He spent a few days in the ICU. he developed a minor heart murmur. We did ultrasounds on him and his heart, extensive chest rads, internal med consults. No one could pin point why this happened. Even still to this day, no one knows- even after thousands spent, three internal medicine specialists, a cardiologist evaluation etc. All that was found was a suspected genetic issue with his one adrenal gland and kidneys- they’re misshaped but labs look fine. We could not afford an MRI after the ICU and testing (7k in a matter of months spent- MRI would be approximately 2.5k where I am) and honestly the fact he recovered and is well today, I don’t think it was honestly needed anyway. The recovery was very rough, he even had a bout of alopecia and lost fur, and I had doubts at times I did the right thing but by six months he was himself again, no long lasting issues from this event. The cardiology appointment found no issues with his heart, just a minor murmur that comes on after stress which is normal at times (another $800 for no answers). He was on a blood thinner and steroids all through his recovery and after his heart was clear we took him off the thinner. His specialist actually somewhat “fired” us March 2023 lol just because he was doing fantastic! Obviously she said to contact with any issues but IMED was no longer needed. We got him down to 2.5 mg of prednisolone every other day and his breathing issues were under control. His blood work was great. There is apparently nothing wrong with him currently that can be found.
She said we may never have answers for what his underlying issues may be but at best we can just treat symptoms. It could be autoimmune, it could be an inflammatory disorder, etc but right now nothing is fitting together and he’s fine. She told us to just continue with his primary vet for blood work monitoring. We just did lab work four weeks ago with his new primary (we moved in august again) and all was clear.
This all brings us to today. The last week I saw his doing a gulping motion ONLY while purring- I thought it was weird but I thought nothing of it. Sunday night he had his first asthma event in a year and a half. It made me distraught after everything this cats been through. I knew his specialist and primary weren’t open of course. He was due for his 2.5 mg dose. I gave it. He continued wheezing through out the day. In the past I’ve been told to up his dosage if he had a break through event. By the evening I trusted my gut and gave him another 2.5 mg dose, suspected he’s built a tolerance over the last 18 months. He did great overnight and seems okayish today, mild coughs here and there but no full blown attacks. I have left a voicemail for the specialist but naturally I’m afraid I won’t hear back today. His primary vet who he’s only seen once isn’t in today either. I’m just worried and unsure how to make him comfortable until I can speak to a vet and I know asthma is a delicate issue. I’m considering talking to the vet to finally get him on inhaled medication, we haven’t done this since he responded very well to extremely low dose pred. The other thing is his chest rads didn’t show typical asthma signs, but his symptoms and responses to medication do?
the only thing I can think of that caused this is A) he built a tolerance B) the change in weather C) I did use a new litter in a few boxes due to cost but I still kept the usual litter in some - new litter is now thrown out because I feel stupid.

anyway sorry for lengthy post, if anyone has advice or input I would love to chat. My poor boys been through SO MUCH and I really just hate sitting with anxiety and him having wheezing/coughing issues while waiting to hear from the vet about upping his dosage.
 

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Also I apologize for any typos or mis-wording; this is my first ever post here and I’m on mobile! 🙃 I just reread my posting and realized there’s a few mistakes
 

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Hi. Your post is fine.
I would talk to your vet about getting an albuterol inhaler and the aero cat device to deliver it. It should only be used as a rescue medication and there can be some drug interactions, so talk to your vet.

Albuterol Sulfate for Cats

.Only if you are able, it might do you good for peace of mind to look into getting an oxygen concentrator to deliver oxygen as a flow by in an extreme emergency. This is nothing any vet has recommended, just something I decided to do for a worst case scenario with my cat. I have never had to use it though. Knock on wood.

Repeat X-rays of the chest might be something to discuss with your vet. Yet always you have to weigh in the stress of the cat against any information the radiographs would provide.

Other things to consider would be Fluticazone inhaler which is an inhaled steroid that targets the lungs and doesn’t have the systemic effect that oral steroids have.

Just some things to discuss with your vet.
 
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Thank you! It’s really ironic because yesterday I was speaking with my partner about getting some rescue oxygen -just in case-
When our ER trip happened in 2022 all 24/7 facilities local were at capacity. We had to drive 50 mins north to the next nearest city. If that ever happened again with an asthmatics respiratory distress situation… I don’t think he’d make it. So definitely good advice to keep oxygen in hand.

I’ll discuss the recommendations with my doctor whenever I hear back. I left a voice mail 4.5 hrs ago and still nothing yet 🙁

as far as the cost difference with the inhalers- is it true that most people have just been getting the prescriptions sent to Canadian pharmacies and it’s much cheaper?
 

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I have an asthmatic kitty and she has flare ups when the carpet isn't vacuumed regularly and the weather changes. The dust from new litter may also contribute to your guy. It's probably a combination of the weather and the litter dust. We give our girl prednisolone as needed (usually for about 3 days) and also use a nebulizer with her.
 
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I have an asthmatic kitty and she has flare ups when the carpet isn't vacuumed regularly and the weather changes. The dust from new litter may also contribute to your guy. It's probably a combination of the weather and the litter dust. We give our girl prednisolone as needed (usually for about 3 days) and also use a nebulizer with her.
Yeah I definitely think the fall season/having the heat on now is a contributing factor. Of course my cats seem to hate this new litter. It’s wheat based and I figured it was close enough to the oko cat litters texture that they’d like it.
The only reason I bought something other than okocat was because it’s price went up and quality changed. I know they switched from German manufacturers to now being in the states and the quality has been horrible. It’s so dusty now. I had gotten clay based litter around the time when the flare happened- which of course they loved 😕 I did end up leaving one box of the clay to prevent our senior cat from peeing outside the box (it’s been a major issue since we moved) and that’s the box they seem to use the most. Hopefully I can fully transition them off clay quickly.

I did get an email from our specialist last night saying to just do 2.5 mg of pred daily for now and that either she’d have to see pierce to advise “doing anything further” or we should speak to our primary vet.

Was kind of hoping for more of a personal response being that we worked with her for so long and she was the one who told us we didn’t need to see her as regularly as we were. We just had a visit with her six months ago too. To top it off her reasoning was “to assure it isn’t heart disease” now I fully understand this could be a concern- yet it felt so generic because pierce has had TWO echocardiograms in 18 months and a proBnP which ruled out heart problems. His most recent was in cardio exam was in May- which she wrote the referral report for and got the evaluation letter from the cardiologist 🙄 to top it off she was just spent his bi annual physical and blood work from our primary four weeks ago; which he always get his heart checked and blood pressure taken. so honestly I do not plan to spend $180 for an additional visit with internal medicine.

i should be speaking to our primary vet today for our seniors blood work results and I guess I’ll touch base with her about Pierce. She’s extremely thorough, but she’s only met pierce once so far. Hopefully she’s willing to discuss switching to inhalers etc.
 

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I so agree about getting your cat started on a fluticasone/flixotide preventive inhaler! And to have an albuterol rescue inhaler on hand. The AeroKat makes it relatively easy to "puff" your cat. Yes, it's possible to get the inhalers much cheaper through online pharmacies.

One of the huge benefits of fluticasone/flixotide (it has different names in different countries) is that it's a preventive steroid drug but has far fewer side effects than steroid pills. It takes about two weeks for it to get into the cat's system.

The AeroKat site has lots of great information for you and your vet(s).
This page has dosage information for the vet if she's not familiar with prescribing fluticasone: https://www.trudellanimalhealth.com/sites/default/files/documents/AeroKat-Dosing-Sheet-EN.pdf

We have an asthmatic cat with relatively mild disease. About four years ago, the vet gave us the choice of an inhaler or "wait and see" -- we chose the inhaler and I'm very glad we did. I think the vet was, too, since she doesn't like to take chances with asthma. Ireland has had much more of a coughing problem this year than ever because of wildfire smoke so I'm very glad she's on the inhaler!

stephanietx stephanietx mentions dust and weather, which are both factors for Ireland, too. We first saw her asthmatic coughing shortly after we adopted her: it was apparently caused by scented, dusty kitty litter. I switched brands (to Dr. Elsey's) and she didn't cough for several years. We avoid all kind of scents and candles, and use the exhaust fans constantly.

Your cats are both beautiful -- I hope you're able to get Pierce on an inhaler soon!
 
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just wanted to give a little update today-
Yesterday I spoke with his primary vet, she advised doing the 2.5 mg prednisolone dose for a week. She said if his symptoms do not decrease we can always up it to 2.5 mg twice a day until his symptoms are under control and then taper down to where he seems comfortable. In the past at his lowest dose he was at 2.5 mg once a week.

i did discuss getting him on to an inhaler but I guess (like I’ve been told in the past) she also does not see it to be necessary for him at this point. Her reasoning was because at this time he still is responding well to very safe dose of oral medication and that this low dose doesn’t have many risks. She said obviously in the future this may become necessary for his asthma but since this is his first flare in over a year she doesn’t think the inhaler is fit for now.
i guess I do understand this, but I do somewhat fear long term side effects of systemic steroids.

as of today he still sounds a bit congested but no full blown fits. I feel horrible for him because I think all of this is (plus probably allergies) is causing a feline herpes flare up (he’s getting his clear/brown eye discharge in one eye now)
I have read that fish oil, probiotics, and (debatably) l-lysine may help with this? I’ve used l-lysine and probiotics on and off throughout his life- some times I think it helps, other times I don’t. I know research is split on that. Has anyone used fish oil with any success?
 

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as of today he still sounds a bit congested but no full blown fits. I feel horrible for him because I think all of this is (plus probably allergies) is causing a feline herpes flare up (he’s getting his clear/brown eye discharge in one eye now)
If he's congested, it's worth asking the vet about decongestants. Ireland takes one of those, too, and it does help.
 
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