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How to know if my Himilayan is pure bred

post #1 of 28
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This is the first kitten I have ever bought. I paid a breeder a lot of money($300) for a blue tip Himalayan that was 8 weeks old. She said she hasn't received her papers back yet but I called CFA today and they don't show it in their system. I asked her why her eyes were not blue when I went to look at her. She said she was too young for them to show their color. She is now 12 weeks old and her eyes are a very pale/light green. Should her eye color be fully developed at this age? Is it a defect for their eyes to be green? I hope I haven't been taken!!
post #2 of 28
Sorry to say, but it sounds like you've been ripped off. First of all its called a "blue POINT" - not tip (was she advertising it as tip?)?

Second since its a pointed cat, the blue eyes are blue its entire life - they do not change colors - they may vary in blueness (himalayans tend to have a lighter blue color then Siamese). But they should not be any other color other then blue.

Third, NO legit breeder (good ones) allows their kittens to go to new homes before 3-4 months old - certainly not at 8 weeks old.

Fourth, does the cat have any point color right now? I'm willing to bet its a himalayan mixed breed cat. I think I'd call the breeder back and return the kitten and get your money back. Where did you get it from? Internet or newspaper?
post #3 of 28
ohh hun I'm sorry, you were ripped off... All cats are born with blue eyes, so if a cat is supposed to have blue eyes when they are adult they will defiantely have them when they are born. Maybe not the right shade though. But if he doesn't have blue eyes now he isn't going to get them. Any breeder who makes some excuse for not having any papers is a red flag right from the start.

I am sure she is a great cat though but I would return her and demand your money back. Or else keep her, spay her (which I would hope you are doing anyways) and tell everyone you know to never go to that breeder!
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
thx Jen and GoldenKitty for quick response. I found the add in my local newspaper. I called before going to look at her when she told me she had a blue point and looked on the internet for info; she downplayed her eye color when I went to look at her. Her points have darkened last couple of weeks.
We are very attached to her and giving her back to this deceitful woman is not anything I'd wish on her. I called the breeder today and inquired about the papers. I told her I had called CFA; they had her in the system but no record of my kitty. Her response to me was CFA would not have given me that info. She became very defensive when I began telling her about the kitty's (Cassi) eye color still the same as when I bought her. She said she would call CFA today herself and get back with me. Didn't hear back. Is there any recourse to report her to CFA? Can she be made to reimburse me for the fair value of a mixed cat or is it hard to prove?
On the lighter side, she has done very well with us; makes me sad to know she was sold to us too early. She is like a new baby to my finance and myself. We are empty nesters and have spoiled her rotten.
post #5 of 28
Hey you everyone has to learn sometime. Now you know to just be careful when dealing out of the paper. Reputable breeders only breed when they have people lined up interested in babies, they do not advertize in the paper. I don't know of anything you can do. What I would do is to just keep hounding her and calling her and calling her until she either does something or confesses that she lied or something. Did you see your kittens parents? Another sign of a good breeder is to offer to show you the parents and their papers. I would just show back up at her house (assuming you went to pick her up) and ask to see the parents papers. See what she has to say.
post #6 of 28
Can you post a picture of her?

I thought the pointed gene always came with blue eyes, even in moggies... does she perhaps have a tonkinese coloring (mink), with aqua eyes? What color is her body, pure white (or nearly so) or more beige?

I'm sorry you had to go through that, but if you didn't plan on showing her, I wouldn't worry about it. She sounds gorgeous!
post #7 of 28
Yes I was going to ask you too if you can please post a picture of her? I would love to see her regardless of her breed. I am sure she is a pretty little moggie.
post #8 of 28
Yes tonks do have non-blue eye color and perhaps its a mix of tonk and himalayan - a true himi would have blue eyes.
post #9 of 28
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I can't figure out how to post picture of my kitty. I have message at bottom of page "you may Not post attachments". I think I've turned everything on on my Profile options. I guess I'm having a 50 something moment. When I click on insert image, it bring up Script Prompt. No option to select C: drive.
post #10 of 28
I will send you a private message with my email address and I will be happy to post it for you. Check your private message inbox.
post #11 of 28
I also got my Himalayan kitten at 8 weeks old but this seem's to be a standard age in Australia. As far as I know all pure breed himalayans have blue eyes. We got to see our kitten at 6 weeks of age from the breeder and she even had very blue eyes at that point and as she has grown they still remain the same colour. She was very white when we first got her but now her points are very red in colour. I would definately investigate it further as it's unfair to pay such a high price if it's not a pure breed. Would love to see your photos. I really love Himalayans - I hope you have fun with your kitten. They really have a lovely personality


Here are some pictures of my Himmie - 6 weeks old, 9 weeks old, 6 months and Meeka and I at 8months











Mandy
post #12 of 28
Beautiful kitten!
Her eyes do look a pale ice blue to me, but those point colors look red, nothing at all close to blue point.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Arlyn View Post
Beautiful kitten!
Her eyes do look a pale ice blue to me, but those point colors look red, nothing at all close to blue point.
Those pictures were not the OP's. It was someone else showing their himmy.
post #14 of 28
Well, I should have more coffee and pay attention!
Comment still stands though, that's one beautiful kitten.
post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hopefully the moderator will have my pictures posted soon. Let me know what you think as far as her breed since she's obviously not pure Himalayan. If the breeder won't talk to civilized about this; think I may take her to small claims court. Anyone know how long it takes to get the papers back once the breeder has mailed them? Casi is 12 weeks old; breeder says it takes a while to get papers but CFA says they don't show in their system where they've been filed.
post #16 of 28
The nerve of that breeder! I wonder if she's gotten anybody else like that. I hope you are able to work things out.
post #17 of 28
Here are the pictures the OP requested that I post for her. I did crop and resize, but this first one clearly shows the eye color ...



Here is another:



and last, but not least:

post #18 of 28
that is about the cutest little thing I've ever seen! pure bred or not she is absolutely gorgeous!!!
post #19 of 28
She looks mostly himi - but the eye color is VERY poor - not blue at all. I suspect other persian in the background (himis do have persians in the background) but it might be a case of persian in the past generation or 2 (like one parent a persian (carrying colorpoint) or a grandparent persian).

If you have a persian/colorpoint carrier, its quite possible to have wrong eye color and therefore that kitten would have to be sold as a pet quality ($300 is reasonable).

As far as papers, the breeder may have never even sent in the litter registration. It usually takes no more then 3 weeks turnaround time for CFA to record the litter registration and to return the individual blue slips on each kitten - they are pretty fast considering how many litters are registered monthly. I always got my papers back within 2 weeks Breeder sounds like she's never sent them in and blaming CFA for the delay.
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by aschretzmeyer View Post
I also got my Himalayan kitten at 8 weeks old but this seem's to be a standard age in Australia. As far as I know all pure breed himalayans have blue eyes. We got to see our kitten at 6 weeks of age from the breeder and she even had very blue eyes at that point and as she has grown they still remain the same colour. She was very white when we first got her but now her points are very red in colour. I would definately investigate it further as it's unfair to pay such a high price if it's not a pure breed. Would love to see your photos. I really love Himalayans - I hope you have fun with your kitten. They really have a lovely personality


Here are some pictures of my Himmie - 6 weeks old, 9 weeks old, 6 months and Meeka and I at 8months











Mandy
Your kitten is beautiful I had a flame point Himalayan that looked just like yours and he grew to be 18 pounds!!!!!
post #21 of 28
In my (not very educated) opinion the original poster's kitten looks mink to me. But the retinas seem to reflect red, which means blue eyes. Or Blue-ish anyway. She looks very sweet and cuddly, though. Oh, and $300 is not very much for a pedigreed cat - that may have something to do with the eye color.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by gayef View Post
Here are the pictures the OP requested that I post for her. I did crop and resize, but this first one clearly shows the eye color ...



Here is another:



and last, but not least:

She is adorable...she doesn't look any different than my Himalayans and they were pet quality
post #23 of 28
Aww she is so sweet! Defiantely the wrong eye color but the rest looks pretty much Himmie to me! Gorgeous cat! I have a boy that looks identical, but he has very blue eyes and is 8 years old. I adopted him for $40 from a shelter.

I guess it's really no big deal about registering her. Unless you wanted to show her. She is obviously not breeding quality so I hope you aren't planning to do that.
post #24 of 28
She's gorgeous! She looks mink to me, too... her body is dark. From what I know (which isn't much! lol), a mink colored cat can have clear aqua eyes to greenish eyes with blue specks, or even yellow with blue specks. They do reflect red, so you know they will be some shade of blue, even if it isn't pure blue like a Siamese. Her eyes look like a poor bluish green to me, I have a friend with a registered Himmie like that.... her cat's eyes are blue, but they are very pale greenish yellow and only noticeably blue in spots, like your kitty.

Did I say she's gorgeous? She's a perfect little doll! I like the mink coloring better than the pointed, anyway. Please stick around a few months... I can't wait to watch her grow up!
post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for everyone's feedback. It gives me info. I need if the breeder returns my call. We are having fun raising her. We call her catdog sometimes because she is so affectionate and attached to us. She follows us around from room to room like a puppy. I hope as she grows she still as affectionate. My previous cats were full grown when I got them. They were very different personalities and behavior.
post #26 of 28
Your blue point kitty is absolutely beautiful!! She definately look's like a Himalayan and her personality sound's like one too. That's the great thing about Himmie's is that they have a very unique personality and they are extremely affectionate. My cat is now 8 months old and she still follows me from room to room. Have fun


Mandy
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by pearlgem1 View Post
Thanks so much for everyone's feedback. It gives me info. I need if the breeder returns my call. We are having fun raising her. We call her catdog sometimes because she is so affectionate and attached to us. She follows us around from room to room like a puppy. I hope as she grows she still as affectionate. My previous cats were full grown when I got them. They were very different personalities and behavior.
Best of luck with her she is adorable I have had 3 Himalayans and love the personality. They are loyal like dogs, and so laid back, They are my FAVORITE!!!
post #28 of 28
That's a purebred Himmie all right. It's just a doll faced one. As for the eyes, that looks like a very pale variant of the pointed-pattern blue eyes. I know because I had a Himmie with very pale blue eyes and sometimes they look like a pale grey. The pointed pattern is actually a form of albinism, and the blue eyes result from a lack of pigment. Sometimes the eyes may lack so much pigment that the blood vessels can show through a bit, causing the blue eyes to actually be part pink. That looks like the case with your kitten. Genetically I would say she's all Himmie, even if her parents were Persians--the Himalayan is nowadays considered to be a division of the Persian breed. Unfortunately, breeding Himmies with Persians has resulted in somewhat of a loss of that deep blue eye colour.
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