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post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy View Post
does anyone have a link on the latest?

I didn't see this in the paper today.
Here's the CNN http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ra...est/index.html
post #62 of 80
Tanks ............
post #63 of 80
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Here's another link to the local story: http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNA...7-c589c01ca7bf

Mary Lacy should lose her job over this. Not only did she get the whole country convinced that they finally had their man, but come to find out it was with little to no evidence besides what the guy had said - all of which was available in public information. So all she did, in effect, was bring a known pedophile back to the US and let him go. Nice one.

BTW, if you want to read what led to his arrest and now the dropping of the case and quashing of the arrest, there is a link to that document. I don't suggest reading it. I did and about threw up. The things that he said, even paraphrased, are beyond disgusting.
post #64 of 80
Let's face it Heidi. The Boulder police and DA fouled this one up from the moment they answered the 911 call. The crime scene was seriously disturbed; they refused help from the more experienced Denver police; the DA screwed up their part of it and now this.
post #65 of 80
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Let's face it Heidi. The Boulder police and DA fouled this one up from the moment they answered the 911 call. The crime scene was seriously disturbed; they refused help from the more experienced Denver police; the DA screwed up their part of it and now this.
Yeah, I know. It just made me hang my head that they did that. I always thought that it was like an open invitation to serial killers and pedophiles - "Come to Boulder/Colorado! We don't have a clue how to conduct an investigation! Get Away With Murder - No Problem!"
post #66 of 80
And what about this special inside information he had about the crime scene that "no one" else knew except the coroner or something? Am I dreaming that they said that? Can they just pretend they didn't?
post #67 of 80
Well thing is, if he had had relations with her as he had bragged about, his DNA would have matched the perp's.

This guy was just some freak that spent the last 10 years obsessing over the Jon Benet case. And so much stuff was leaked by the cops and the family, i don't think there is too much that a person who can do a little bit of serious research could find out.

The ONLY thing I can't figure out is why would you admit to a serious crime you didn't commit. He has to be psychotic enough to believe he did it. And so there is a chance that once he's free, he'll try to 'recreate' what he did in his head with Jon Benet, even though he never touched her.
post #68 of 80
I had a feeling he wasn't the one who did this. IMO they should send him back overseas and make him face his charges there and make him repay the goverment!
post #69 of 80
Well, I got the impression he was also being brought back to the US to face child pornography charges in California -- a completely different case, but at least he wasn't flown back for nothing.

There are a variety of reasons for why he would claim to have been the one who killed JonBenet. It's possible that he is in fact so delusional and obsessed with the case that he does believe he killed her. He could want the fame and "glory" that being associated with the case has brought him (apparently in one report he fully expected to have a movie made about him, with Johnny Depp playing his part?). He could simply want to get the heck out of Thailand and back to the relatively safety of American courts (or is Colorado a "hangin' state?")

Regardless, he's clearly an extremely disturbed man, and I don't agree that Lacy should lose her job over this. Look at it this way: she had evidence (okay, a suspicion) that an extremely dangerous, violent criminal was living unchecked and free in Thailand. Given the nature of the crime against JonBenet Ramsey, given what she knew the killer was capable of, shouldn't such a person have been picked up as soon as possible? Yes, it turns out he wasn't the killer, but would you have wanted to take that risk and ignore the potential for more damage? Besides that, if they hadn't picked Karr up and news of his link to the case had been released to the public, there would have been an outcry. The DA did admit that the information about Karr's capture and link to the case was leaked prematurely, and that they would have preferred to have more time to develop their case, but media involvement made that impossible.
post #70 of 80
I think they should have let him be with the child porn in Cali because jail and criminal punsihment is far worse in Thailand. But that is just MO.
post #71 of 80
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According to reports, there were no pending charges against him in Thailand. That was a false rumor. California is seeking to extradite him back there to face the *misdemeanor* child porn charges there. He's going to jail, but probably not for very long.

I listened to that poor excuse for a DA's press conference today. The whole thing - 2 hours. She said they did a "good job" and it was the media's fault, and the Thai government's fault, and everyone's fault but hers. Nevermind the thousands of dollars that were spent on airline tickets alone to bring him back ($3000 each for Karr, 2 US Marshalls, and her investigators), nor the fact that they had no evidence against him except his "confession", nor the fact that "all of the evidence in this case is public record" and "the only way we would get a conviction is with a confession and corroborating evidence including the DNA". Karr's "confession" could have been made by anyone with access to a computer and time on their hands to look up the case. But that was enough for Mary Lacy to haul him back to the US, because according to his emails he was growing fond of a little girl in Thailand. I understand trying to protect the children, but he wasn't in our jurisdiction, and they didn't have enough evidence to even bring an indictment. Fine, report him to the Thai government. Let them know of his emails and the warrant against him in CA. They would have shipped him out and protected the girl anyway. But no, she had to mess this one up too!

As far as calling for her job, you're gosh darn right I am! This isn't the first big case she's gone public on only to have to eat her words as well as taxpayer money. Anyone remember the CU football recruiting scandal, where she came out publically AS THE DA and accused the coach and his staff of procuring prostitutes and alcohol for underage recruits? She couldn't get indictments on that either. Oh, and then there were the girls who accused football players at CU of rape, which she also went public with releasing their names and all that and, yup you guessed it - never could get an indictment. Now this. Mary Lacy needs to go!
post #72 of 80
I think that cases such as these, would go alot smoothly and justice would get seen alot quicker (especially in this day and age) if there was less media involved.

As for John Karr.....the prosecutor had a confession....what more would she need to extradite him (sorry if my spelling is off, I'm not usually this illiterate, but I'm typing and have Ativan in my system).

He is obviously an individual that needs some serious counseling, because where it stands now, he is delusional and given the opportunity, could 'show everyone' what he is capable of, as delusional criminals tend to do.
post #73 of 80
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Originally Posted by valanhb View Post
As far as calling for her job, you're gosh darn right I am! This isn't the first big case she's gone public on only to have to eat her words as well as taxpayer money. Anyone remember the CU football recruiting scandal, where she came out publically AS THE DA and accused the coach and his staff of procuring prostitutes and alcohol for underage recruits? She couldn't get indictments on that either. Oh, and then there were the girls who accused football players at CU of rape, which she also went public with releasing their names and all that and, yup you guessed it - never could get an indictment. Now this. Mary Lacy needs to go!
She actually accused the football program of using young women as "Bait". Couldn't get indictments but left everyone the impression that they were guilty. What is really sad is that she ran unopposed in the last election.
post #74 of 80
I still think that John and or Patsy had something to do with it.
I never did believe that John Mark Karr did it,he was just wanting some
attention and he got it!
post #75 of 80
This guy is an obvious sicko, looking for attention. I don't doubt that he is a pedophile and should be taken off of the streets (if not the planet).

As the grandmother of three (well, ALMOST three) beautiful little girls, I'd be happy to perform at least PART of his sex-change surgery (I'll leave it you, to figure out WHICH "part").

Frankly, the Boulder PD and DA's departments are in need of a MAJOR housecleaning. There is no substitute for proper investigation techniques, training, ethics and integrity. The Keystone Kops would have done a better job, of investigating this case.
post #76 of 80
In this day and age of technology, why in the world did they NOT get a DNA sample of Karr and compare it before they even put him on a plane and brought to America?

That would have proven it right away he was not involved. Instead, Americans paid for his first class ticket and treatment!
post #77 of 80
IMO, Karr should be charged with falsifying evidence (or whatever the legal name for this is). He admitted to a crime he did not commit. Why should he get off scott free for his part in the expenses associated with it?
post #78 of 80
I was always skeptical of the parents, especially Patsy Ramsey. I do not agree with mother's who dress their daughters up to look like that at such a young age, they should just let kids be kids, imo. I never believed that this guy John Karr did it either, he's certainly weird but I didn't think he killed Jon Benet Ramsey.
post #79 of 80
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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45 View Post
In this day and age of technology, why in the world did they NOT get a DNA sample of Karr and compare it before they even put him on a plane and brought to America?

That would have proven it right away he was not involved. Instead, Americans paid for his first class ticket and treatment!
Don't even need the DNA - why not do some preliminary investigation, like, was he even in Colorado at the time of the murder?
post #80 of 80
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Originally Posted by katachtig View Post
Don't even need the DNA - why not do some preliminary investigation, like, was he even in Colorado at the time of the murder?
I agree. This guy's main goal was to be famous. now he is and the media made that happen.
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