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post #1 of 15
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Did anyone read this?

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/0...eut/index.html

I started to read it thinking that we held some secret that could be a cure or preventative. Nope. Bill Gates basically said that because more women have AIDs than men, that we're the link to preventing the disease from being carried onto children, etc.

A-hem, Mr. Gates: It takes 2 to tango, even in bed. Secondly, men are more likely to transmit the disease to women (I won't go into the birds and the bees at this point), especially the MORE WOMEN they have sex with.

I know, I Know I shouldn't bash men...so to me this should just be a joint effort between the sexes.
post #2 of 15
Well my take on that article is helping women protect themselves.As he stated even married women can't be sure what their hubbys been up to so this way they can protect themselves.Anything that will help stop the spread of Aids is A Ok
post #3 of 15
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I guess my point is more why do women have to be so responsible? Why do we always wind up taking a pill? Women take it for birth control so we're ready and willing when needed. Men don't, and most don't bother to put the condom on.

Plus I looked at the article more along the lines of why can't we teach men to be responsible too?

I did find the Yahoo! article to be less about the women and more about the need for a cure or prevention of AIDs. Too me, when I read this article it seemed more "Women need to do this" rather than "We all need to help prevent the spread of AIDs".
post #4 of 15
And lets remember Aids isnt just an STD its spread many other ways too.
That being said. I didnt like the article to much. I think EVERYONE needs to take a proactive roll in the aids epedemic.

But i have been an advocate for aids awareness for a long time.
post #5 of 15
The thing is women really have to be more careful because it is so much easier for a woman than a man to get infected. The say way it is easier for gay men to be infected than a straight man.

It is simply a physiology of disease dilemma.
post #6 of 15
I didn't see anything wrong with the article at all.... the microbicide is for women. We have been preaching prevention for years, to both men and women. I don't think anyone will argue that we need another tool to help do so, and this provides us with that.

Coming up with a prevention like this is a big step forward in finding a cure. This is an amazing breakthrough IMO.
post #7 of 15
I don't think there's anything wrong in developping a way for women to protect themselves. With rape, men being unfaithful and prostitution, women often have no choice but to be exposed to AIDS.

However, even if I think both men and women are responsible for the spread of AIDS, I think that men have a lot of responsibility in it. If only for physiological reasons.
Women do transmit it to their children, and that is tragic, but there are ways to prevent that... given that the women have access to the proper medications (and most African women don't)

I guess the point is, the solution to AIDS is complex. We can't say that men are the solution, neither are women or any group in particular.
And really, finding a cure would be great, no questions, but by itself it wouldn't solve the problem... unless we also made sure that people who need it can get it. Right now, most AIDS patients in Africa have no access to even the medication that exists now.
post #8 of 15
I took the following away from the article: the microbicide will likely be distributed in the third-world countries where AIDS is rampant, but available in the West also. In some of these cultures women are not allowed to refuse sex or ask their husbands to use protection and this innovation is providing the women a "secret" way of protecting themselves and thier future children. It will likely accompany the educational campaigns in the same regions that are directed at the women only. The men refuse to talk about it, some of them still so uneducated on the realities of HIV/AIDS that they will rape 10 month old babies because they think having sex with a virgin will cure them of the disease. The women are being more proactive then the men across the board in developing nations. Public health organizations have found their "target audience."
post #9 of 15
mmm interesting

I saw something on the news once that said that there are some women in africa that just dont seem to get aids no matter how many people they sleep with. I think that weird
post #10 of 15
Well yes, it is more easy for women and gay men to get HIV, It will take both men and women to slow or to stop it.

how gates idea is fine, it is still not going to have much effect in the area of the world like africa.

even in bangkok where there are TV commericals and billboards all over the place asking people to use condoms, there use is highly in doubt. The police did a raid on bar there looking for under age girls(which they found none) and forced all the women to have a HIV test, if i remember right 33% if the women there had it. several them knew they where infected and kept working in the bar. the women said they did not like to ask the men to wear a condom, or the guy refused to wear one, they still went ahead and did it. Some people like my german friend in thailand will pay extra not to wear it.

In the west from reading i have seen its people between the ages of 15-30 that is the highest risk of getting it.. Why well that comes down to moral issues along with people once again being not safe in how they do things, with women doing the same things as the working women in bangkok, scared to ask the guy to wear one,
or still doing it if the guy refused. Also the guys being dumb in not using it, its a lame exuse it does not feel as good or it breaks!!!(err how if are using asian ones that is true, not the western made ones)..

I see the same issues with gates idea, getting people aware that it out there, and people who will use it, or even in getting it to them.

with the cheating rate of women and men being almost equal now, its very hard to trust even the person you are married to. women can transfer it to men also, it is harder it can be done. one of my best friends from high school and college days was one of the first in ohio to die from aids back when it was seen as jsut something gay people got. he was not gay,he had sex with a women that had it.

This is not men vs women thing, this is life & death. who cares how someone is to being protected just so they are. Stop looking for people to blame.


post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Krazycatlover View Post
mmm interesting

I saw something on the news once that said that there are some women in africa that just dont seem to get aids no matter how many people they sleep with. I think that weird
That's all genetics. There was a PBS special about the Bubonic Plague and how some people never caught it at all or did catch it but get better. Mainly that was due to a chromosome that was normally considered "mutated". It could be the same idea with that.

I'm not trying to say that its wrong that women should protect themselves. I'm all for it. I'm just asking, what are the men going to do to help prevent spreading it. Sure it can stop with the women, but men will still have it until they die and how do we know that this "pill" will prevent the women from genetically passing it onto their children?

What he says does make sense, since women are a-hem on the receiving end and that eventually all the infected males will die out. I think its a little too surreal IMO. I guess we just have to wait to see what happens.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Krazycatlover View Post
mmm interesting

I saw something on the news once that said that there are some women in africa that just dont seem to get aids no matter how many people they sleep with. I think that weird
I think they did a study on prostitutes in the US several years ago and found that up to 12% of them were immune to HIV (and guess that figure probably correlates to the entire population.) It has to do with the T4 receptor site. Some people's are not shaped like everyone else's and then the HIV virus simply cannot latch on and start the cycle of replication.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by lunasmom View Post

I'm not trying to say that its wrong that women should protect themselves. I'm all for it. I'm just asking, what are the men going to do to help prevent spreading it. Sure it can stop with the women, but men will still have it until they die and how do we know that this "pill" will prevent the women from genetically passing it onto their children?
I just don't understand, I guess. Do you guys not find that the developments mentioned in the article prove that research has taken us a long way in the last 20 years or longer and that we may be well on our way toward finding a cure? It's like people are actually complaining that they have developed something that is for women The article really wasn't about men...
post #14 of 15
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OK everyone,

I went back and re-read the article again from CNN. Either I was in a lack-of coffee coma or they changed portions of the article. The introductory sentence I swear was not the same as the one I read yesterday. The way I swear CNN presented it was that "women are the main reason for AIDs and THEY should be responsible for the rest of the world".

The way the article is presented now is more in the form of a protection for women.

Well that's one more "crazy" notch I can put on the tree.
post #15 of 15
Like it, or not, women have to take responsibility for their own protection. Not only does AIDS pose a risk to us but, we can pass it on, to our children. In cultures, where women are chattel, ANYTHING that helps contain this horrendous disease gets MY support.

We, in the developed world, have the luxury of being able to afford condoms and pick and choose our partners. In much of the world, this is not the case.
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