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http://wcco.com/pets/local_story_216072203.html


I honestly think that the dept which ordered the VACCINATED animals be slaughtered and tested for rabies had some sort of vendetta going on. And what NINE YEAR OLD thinks it's okay to reach into a cage at a zoo and pet wild animals?!
post #2 of 29
I watch Meerkat Manor religiously. I love that show and I love those animals. This is so unbelievably sad......
post #3 of 29
That is a sad situation, but unfortunately the law calls for such measures when any human is bitten by any wild animal. The department that ordered the procedure was following the law. If you have a problem with the law take it up with the state legislature, but don't blame the Department of Health for following it.

The fault lies entirely with the Minnesota Zoo for not providing an enclosure inaccessible to childrens hands.
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My inclination is to blame the parents. When you have kids, your job is to, you know, not let your kid climb on top of an outcropping and reach in to pet Meerkats. And then the fact that they were so OBNOXIOUS and bold as to demand that the zoo destroy all the animals just so their daughter wouldn't have to get rabies shots? COME ON. Those are little innocent lives that you're destroying just so that your little punk kid, who you don't even supervise might be spared a day of pain. I've had rabies shots before and while they are entirely unpleasant, I'm thriving about 13 years after the incident.

God. Parents today. I see more self-entitlement among people in my age bracket and it only seems to be amplified when there are kids involved.
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by Cearbhaill View Post

The fault lies entirely with the Minnesota Zoo for not providing an enclosure inaccessible to childrens hands.
being from minnesota and going to this zoo often. I can not lay the blame on the zoo. that inclousure was done very well. I would like to ask why the parents werent watching their kid. i watched this happen when it started. And all i could think is what a bunch of Bull. poor meerkats. they were vaccinated. and according to several of our local reports, the reason they were put down was because (even tho they were vaccinated) the health department asked that the girl get the rabies shot.

The parents refused.

So the meerkats were put down.
post #6 of 29
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My inclination is to blame the parents. When you have kids, your job is to, you know, not let your kid climb on top of an outcropping and reach in to pet Meerkats. And then the fact that they were so OBNOXIOUS and bold as to demand that the zoo destroy all the animals just so their daughter wouldn't have to get rabies shots? COME ON. Those are little innocent lives that you're destroying just so that your little punk kid, who you don't even supervise might be spared a day of pain. I've had rabies shots before and while they are entirely unpleasant, I'm thriving about 13 years after the incident.

God. Parents today. I see more self-entitlement among people in my age bracket and it only seems to be amplified when there are kids involved.
THANK YOU! that was my first thought when this story broke localy. that and
the parents really made themselves look like heartless i to have had the rabies shot, and while its no fun. its certainly better than being dead.
post #7 of 29
I don't understand why they had to be killed!? Could they not test for Rabies without killing them? Just doesn't make sense!! And I too think its ridiculous that the parents traded the lives of 5 animals so their child would not have to get a shot. I think its crazy that it was allowed to happen, and its sad that people are so worried about being sued that they will do whatever they have to to avoid it.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant View Post
My inclination is to blame the parents. When you have kids, your job is to, you know, not let your kid climb on top of an outcropping and reach in to pet Meerkats. And then the fact that they were so OBNOXIOUS and bold as to demand that the zoo destroy all the animals just so their daughter wouldn't have to get rabies shots? COME ON. Those are little innocent lives that you're destroying just so that your little punk kid, who you don't even supervise might be spared a day of pain. I've had rabies shots before and while they are entirely unpleasant, I'm thriving about 13 years after the incident.

God. Parents today. I see more self-entitlement among people in my age bracket and it only seems to be amplified when there are kids involved.
I fully agree with you on this one!!, some parents these days are really stunned

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I don't understand why they had to be killed!? Could they not test for Rabies without killing them?
Unfourtunatley, I think the only way of 100% diagnosing rabies is to test brain tissue
post #9 of 29
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The fault lies entirely with the Minnesota Zoo for not providing an enclosure inaccessible to childrens hands.
I do not agree with this. The fault lies 100% on the parent for not watching their child. If the animal had gotten out of it's enclosure, due to poor maintenance or construction, then I would say the zoo was responsible. But as a parent, you are responsible for what your children do. However, I have not seen this zoos enclosure or how close they allow people to get to a cage, that they can stick their hands or fingers into. If there was a fence around it and the child climbed under or over the fence, then again, not the zoo at fault. I feel these poor animals should not have been destroyed. If the parent was concerned that these animals had rabies AFTER having been vaccinated, then her child should have been given the shots, since they were at fault. If the animals had gotten out of a poorly maintained or constructed enclosure, then I guess I could agree, that the child should not have to get the shots, unless it was proven that the animals had rabies. Everyone needs to become more responsible in what they do and stop blaming everyone else for THEIR mistakes.
post #10 of 29
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I don't understand why they had to be killed!? Could they not test for Rabies without killing them? Just doesn't make sense!! And I too think its ridiculous that the parents traded the lives of 5 animals so their child would not have to get a shot. I think its crazy that it was allowed to happen, and its sad that people are so worried about being sued that they will do whatever they have to to avoid it.
Unfortunately the only way I've ever heard of to test for rabies is to test the brain of the deseased animal.

I, also, agree its the parent's fault, its unfair, and very sad.
post #11 of 29
In Taiwan this would count as destruction of governmental property and the parents would be required to compensate the zoos.
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In Taiwan this would count as destruction of governmental property and the parents would be required to compensate the zoos.
I think the parents should be charged.
post #13 of 29
I agree that her parents are at fault. She should have been more supervised. Why would they let their kid do that in the first place is beyond me. Poor Meerkats!!
post #14 of 29
What worries me is that since the parents won't have the kid getting rabies shots, what other shots are the kid missing? Is she missing other vaccinations, as well?
post #15 of 29
Rabies shots are extremely painful and are not a normal childhood vaccine. My cousin had to get them, they're like a huge, long, painful needle in the abdomen. Or at least were then. I don't think we can infer that the kids aren't getting proper medical care. If anything they seem like the type who demand antibiotics for the flu.

I hate to think what could happen at the Cleveland Zoo, where you can just hang out with the wallabies, no fence or anything. It would be so sad if they had to stop that because of some idiotic parents.

I mean, if I was the parent I'd be MAD at the kid for sticking his hand in an animal cage after I had, doubtless, told him not to a dozen times.

Why are they insisting on the destruction of vaccinated animals who don't have rabies anyway?

I love the zoo as well, and was there numerous times as a child. It is very well run. People just stink sometimes. Plllh.
post #16 of 29
MMM....That's interesting.....I know I have gotten rabies shot once but I don't remember much from it. It wasn't that traumatic for me.
post #17 of 29
Shengmei, a rabies shot is a series of six shots that prevents you from getting rabies after exposure. You do not get one as a preventative, only if you've been bitten by an animal suspected to have rabies. They have changed the way they do it, I looked it up, now they give one in the area of the bite, and then five more in the arm over the next month. If you weren't bitten by an animal suspected of having rabies, you never got a rabies shot. At least not in America.
post #18 of 29
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Shengmei, a rabies shot is a series of six shots that prevents you from getting rabies after exposure. You do not get one as a preventative, only if you've been bitten by an animal suspected to have rabies. They have changed the way they do it, I looked it up, now they give one in the area of the bite, and then five more in the arm over the next month. If you weren't bitten by an animal suspected of having rabies, you never got a rabies shot. At least not in America.
The shots have changed. they arent like they used to be anymore. News covered that here.
post #19 of 29
Mind explaining a little more? I've read at least a dozen things and they all say exactly the same thing: Rabies vaccine is given after exposure, in a series of six shots over 30 days, or else can possibly be given to people who will have a very high risk of exposure, and is not recommended for general use. What did the news say?
post #20 of 29
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Mind explaining a little more? I've read at least a dozen things and they all say exactly the same thing: Rabies vaccine is given after exposure, in a series of six shots over 30 days, or else can possibly be given to people who will have a very high risk of exposure, and is not recommended for general use. What did the news say?
I am not disagreeing with when it is to be given and what is the best form to give it. But that the shot is no longer given in the stomach, heres the info from the news.

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within 14 days after infection. In the United States, the treatment consists of a regimen of one dose of immunoglobulin and five doses of rabies vaccine over a 28-day period. Rabies immunoglobulin and the first dose of rabies vaccine should be given as soon as possible after exposure, with additional doses on days 3, 7, 14, and 28 after the first. The vaccinations are relatively painless and are given in one's arm, in contrast to previous treatments which were given through a large needle inserted into the abdomen
post #21 of 29
Oh, right, I said that in my second post actually. I researched it a little more before I posted again. I even said "in the arm" in the post you quoted.

Anyway. Hijack over, hopefully.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post
Rabies shots are extremely painful and are not a normal childhood vaccine. My cousin had to get them, they're like a huge, long, painful needle in the abdomen. Or at least were then. I don't think we can infer that the kids aren't getting proper medical care. If anything they seem like the type who demand antibiotics for the flu.
Yah they are definitely not like that anymore. I had to get them when I was 12 (12 years ago) as did my mother and half the state of NH because a cat in a pet store had rabies and they let their cats have free range of the store (neat concept, for social purposes but in the end it bit them hard - no pun intended but they tested positive). Anyway, I got 2 shots in my rear (these are based on weight) and 5 shots in the arms over 3-4 weeks. My mom had to get 12 shots because she is very heavy.
post #23 of 29
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I hate to think what could happen at the Cleveland Zoo, where you can just hang out with the wallabies, no fence or anything. It would be so sad if they had to stop that because of some idiotic parents.

I mean, if I was the parent I'd be MAD at the kid for sticking his hand in an animal cage after I had, doubtless, told him not to a dozen times.
Did you not get the memo? There is to be no more personal responsibility. The memo clearly states that someone else is to be held responsible for all things that used to fall under the heading of "personal responsibility". It goes on to state that, whenever possible, lawsuits should be filed, and monies distributed to the "wronged" party.

My guess? The first kid who gets kicked or scratched after pulling a wallaby's ear or something, and the whole shootin' match will be shut down. You've got to realize that we live in a time where they sell safety helmets for kids learning to walk, of all things.
post #24 of 29
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Did you not get the memo? There is to be no more personal responsibility. The memo clearly states that someone else is to be held responsible for all things that used to fall under the heading of "personal responsibility". It goes on to state that, whenever possible, lawsuits should be filed, and monies distributed to the "wronged" party..
Oh No I didn't get that memo. So, if I go out tonight, get too tipsy, come home and puke on the rug, can I sue the bar for the cost of replacing it? Or better yet, can I sue a lawyer for not finding out about it and filing a suit, since I obviously can't be expected to open a phone book?

Geesh. I swear, some people are out looking for a reason to sue. I have a friend who's always coming up with new ideas, like "Let's go to Wal-mart and I'll slip and fall and break my arm, and then sue them!" He's never acted on it, but the fact that he could probably get away with it is obscene.

Seriously. My clothes were eaten of by a goat once when I was 5 or 6, and my mom got mad at me, half-dragged me to the car and gave me a lecture about standing too close to the fence. And then we left, because.... well my clothes had been eaten off. We still go back today, it's one of my favorite restaurants.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom View Post

Seriously. My clothes were eaten of by a goat once when I was 5 or 6, and my mom got mad at me, half-dragged me to the car and gave me a lecture about standing too close to the fence. And then we left, because.... well my clothes had been eaten off. We still go back today, it's one of my favorite restaurants.
Goats scare me to this day due to a similar incident.

My dad came into rescue me from the goats (petting zoo) and they started chewig on him too.

to this day i darn well have a full blown panic attack when i see a goat.
post #26 of 29
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Goats scare me to this day due to a similar incident.
My dad came into rescue me from the goats (petting zoo) and they started chewig on him too.
to this day i darn well have a full blown panic attack when i see a goat.
Wow. I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm not scared of goats though, weird, you'd think I would be, I'm scared of everything else.

Funny how neither of us sued!
post #27 of 29
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Wow. I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm not scared of goats though, weird, you'd think I would be, I'm scared of everything else.

Funny how neither of us sued!
Imagine that, LOL

heard on the news last night here. some girl is sueing her Parents because she slipped and fell in their driveway. Good GRIEF.
post #28 of 29
I'm trying to figure out what kind of restuarant keeps goats...they aren't...*on the menu* are they? I have a moral rule about eating an animal I've met!

I'm really mad about this meerkat thing. Honestly, I would have chewed my kid out for putting her hand in the cage, and that would have been the end of it. I wouldn't hardly suspect the meerkats to have rabies, especially when it's in thier nature to bite.

I keep pet rats. I have a wire cage in my living room (that woudl be the "rat mansion") that 4 rats live in. You do NOT, under any circumstances, stick your fingers in the cage. The rats perceive this as possible food. Standard Rat Procedure for dealing with potential food is to sink teeth into it, and run. To protect the possible food from the other rats. Well I told my DD, then 3 1/2, specifically to keep her fingers away from the rat cage. If you put your fingers in the cage, they will bite you! Well, of course, she went and stuck her finger in the cage. She actually poked one of the rats. Who promptly bit her. What did DD get? A painful bite, a lecture, and a plain brown band-aid. And she NEVER sticks her fingers in the rat cage anymore. My MIL about had a COW when she found out that one of the rats had bit DD. She was sure that she needed to go get "shots" although she never specified what kind. Apparently it is the magic rat bite anitdote. But DD is perfectly fine now, 8 months later. And the rat? Did I euthanize her and send her out for rabies testing? Nope, she still lives in the Rat Mansion with the other rats, and she will bite at anything that comes through the bars of the cage. It's what rats do. If the meerkats are handled with thick leather gloves, then I'd say it's safe to say that's what meerkats do, as well! Rabies shots wouldn't have been a thought in my mind.

And a side note on the rats, they are friendly when you open the door and reach in to pick them up, but they don't see well so any object sticking through the bars looks like food. Well except Silvia. She's just got a bad attitude all around!
post #29 of 29
The restaurant with the goats is a huge farm, punkin patch, putt-putt place. They also do farm field trips for little kids. The goats, cows, horses, pigs, chickens, etc are all farm animals, and yes, the cows and pigs end up on your plate, and the milk from the cows ends up in your ice cream. There's nothing too wierd about that in farm country in rural Ohio. You can watch the cows being milked too. I think the goats are more for kids to feed and pet. Here's their website: http://www.youngsdairy.com/ it's actually in the town Dave Chapelle is from, although they're worlds apart.

Your approach with your daughter and the rats makes perfect sense.

They're animals, you know?
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