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post #1 of 27
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I am an avid cycling fan and have been, like many others around the world, shocked, angered and most of all, saddened by the recent drug scandals that have rocked the sport.

Particularly in the wake of the allegations of testosterone-doping made against Tour De France winner Floyd Landis, after his amazing comeback in stage 17 of the race, which ultimately led him on to win the Tour. He claims that he has naturally high levels of testosterone, and a B-sample will confirm or deny his claim; the test results are pending.

I hope with all my heart that he is cleared of this charge, not only for him, but because doping is the one thing that strips away the magic and wonder of sport - you will always be left asking after any win, any amazing show of strength or courage - were they on drugs? It makes me very, very sad, and its not just cycling, but all sports where this is an issue.

An emerging school of thought feels that perhaps certain drugs should be made legal - to even up the playing field again, as it were. There is some merit to this argument but to me, it just makes me think, then where would it stop? Which drugs would be allowed in which levels? How do you monitor this? And not only that, particularly in cycling, doping has led to the deaths of many cyclists - making it legal would only increase this risk.

What do you think? Accept the times and allow drugs in sport? Or keep fighting against doping - even though it will be a lifelong battle.
post #2 of 27
I'm not a big fan of professional or high-level sports but it seems to me that the problems with doping is a symptom of competition taken way too far.

Sport (and physical activity in general) should be a part of people's lives, whether they are good or not but I don't think we should encourage anyone to make it their whole life. To me, professional athletes are NOT healthy - they work themselves to the point of hurting their health (with or without drugs). And yet, they are hailed as heros and models for kids to follow.
Determination is great... but an unhealthy obsession isn't. It's sad to see that people are willing to seriously endanger their lives by taking drugs to be the "best" at something that is kind of pointless if you think about it.

I think we need to learn to loose some of our own obsession with professional athletes if we want to stop them from drugging themselves to win. Ironically, the widespread use of drugs might actually achieve that by making people desillusioned.

But as a matter of principles, no... I don't think we should accept drugs as part of competitive sport.

Alright, that's it for my rant about competitive sport.
post #3 of 27
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LOL! You know - what you said about it affecting your health, drugs or not, is so true. It really does become a matter of life and death for some athletes - just to win. It's bizarre. A good example of that is the cyclist Tom Simpson, who suffered a cardiac arrest and died on a hill-stage in the Tour de France in 1967. He had overdosed on amphetamines (`the' drug of the times) and was quoted as saying at an earlier stage in his career `if it takes ten to kill you, I'll take nine'. Guess he took eleven

It just seems so strange to me that you would be willing to die for your sport. Athletes at that level are not healthy in a normal sense anyway, they are pushing their bodies to well past what they would normally be capable of. There is an argument around these days that says the Tour De France is just too darn hard - no wonder they all take drugs. There's something in that, something that should be addressed before more cyclists are disgraced - or worse, lose their lives in the pursuit of the ultimate win.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
. He claims that he has naturally high levels of testosterone, and a B-sample will confirm or deny his claim; the test results are pending.

I hope with all my heart that he is cleared of this charge,
What do you think? Accept the times and allow drugs in sport? Or keep fighting against doping - even though it will be a lifelong battle.
In case you did not hear, the Testosterone in his system, was Lab made not man made So yea, he failed the test a second time.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by theimp98
In case you did not hear, the Testosterone in his system, was Lab made not man made So yea, he failed the test a second time.
I did hear that but there seems to be some confusion in the reports I've read about a final not-negotiable outcome. Apparently he has disputed this finding as well and now it is being counter-tested by French authorities?
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by theimp98
In case you did not hear, the Testosterone in his system, was Lab made not man made So yea, he failed the test a second time.
please make sure you have all your news correct. The sample that came back as lab statement was from The A sample, which was the sample orginaly tested. Testing on Sample B will be done later this week.

While it doesnt look good. Nothing is confirmed yet.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
please make sure you have all your news correct. The sample that came back as lab statement was from The A sample, which was the sample orginaly tested. Testing on Sample B will be done later this week.

While it doesnt look good. Nothing is confirmed yet.
can only tell you what i heard on the new tonight on the way into work,
the second sample came back as a synthetic.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by theimp98
can only tell you what i heard on the new tonight on the way into work,
the second sample came back as a synthetic.
Well the newest on CNN states as i said before. those results were from a second test on the A sample, the B sample is still sealed. Which according to the latest news as of this morning is set to be tested Saturday

Article here
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
Well the newest on CNN states as i said before. those results were from a second test on the A sample, the B sample is still sealed. Which according to the latest news as of this morning is set to be tested Saturday

Article here
So what do you think hun? Are you a fan and do you think they should allow drugs or keep it the way it is?
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!
So what do you think hun? Are you a fan and do you think they should allow drugs or keep it the way it is?
Well i think, that before anyone says for sure he is or isnt a cheater all the tests and such should be completed.

I am not a avid cycling fan. But I am a horse racing fan, and there is plenty of doping (of a diffrent fashion i know) that goes on there as well.

I do not think it should be allowed. its adding more danger to something thats already dangerous. So i do not think drugs should be allowed in.

Just like i dispise the fact that, Barry Bonds has this new record, yet he has outted himself all over as useing steroids. I think his homerun record should be null and void. but thats me.

And as someone who competed (albeit not as a profession) on horse back for endurance riding, does it hurt? Yes! Is it hard. YES..but if you have to resort to drugs...well you need to stop and get some help. nothing is worth killing yourself for.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
Well i think, that before anyone says for sure he is or isnt a cheater all the tests and such should be completed.

I am not a avid cycling fan. But I am a horse racing fan, and there is plenty of doping (of a diffrent fashion i know) that goes on there as well.

I do not think it should be allowed. its adding more danger to something thats already dangerous. So i do not think drugs should be allowed in.

Just like i dispise the fact that, Barry Bonds has this new record, yet he has outted himself all over as useing steroids. I think his homerun record should be null and void. but thats me.

And as someone who competed (albeit not as a profession) on horse back for endurance riding, does it hurt? Yes! Is it hard. YES..but if you have to resort to drugs...well you need to stop and get some help. nothing is worth killing yourself for.
Couldn't agree more. I mean, although it was the whole Landis thing that got me posting about this, its really such a problem in all sports.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
I am not a avid cycling fan. But I am a horse racing fan, and there is plenty of doping (of a diffrent fashion i know) that goes on there as well.
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I was at the racetrack a couple of weeks ago and heard the announcer say that this was one horse's first day on Lasix (sp?). I read up on it a bit and it sounds like it decrease fluid buildup but that it also acts as a kind of amphetamine to the horse. I overheard some people say that this would affect their bet (some would bet on that horse and some would not..)
What do you think of that? Is it a treatment or a drug enhancement??
post #13 of 27
Unfortunately, I think it is basically our fault. We pay big bucks for tickets to sports events so companies pay big bucks for commercials during sports events to get our attention to buy their products. Competitors get paid far, far too much and are not always in it for the sports but for the money and unfortunately they are so young when they get into it, they are still inexperienced and naive enough to think they are invincible. They believe they can abuse their bodies for a few years, make big bucks and retire young to enjoy it.

My solution unfortunately is far too simple - stop paying them big bucks in salary, winnings and advertising earnings and then the ones competing would be in it for the right reasons - the love of the sport itself.

As it is, I believe the numbers NOT using drugs is probably very small.
post #14 of 27
Using these drugs results in an unfair advantage.

Legalizing these drugs so that the playing field is fair would cause athletes who would not otherwise use them to do so. The result could be unhealthy for them.

IMO, not a good idea.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
I was at the racetrack a couple of weeks ago and heard the announcer say that this was one horse's first day on Lasix (sp?). I read up on it a bit and it sounds like it decrease fluid buildup but that it also acts as a kind of amphetamine to the horse. I overheard some people say that this would affect their bet (some would bet on that horse and some would not..)
What do you think of that? Is it a treatment or a drug enhancement??
Lasix when used in horses, is a treatment & a preventative. It never effects my bet. Its not an enhancement at all. Used in horses, it helps with blood flow, and Oxygen flow, also helps from keeping any bleeding on the lungs. I am actually pleased with the use of lasix, as over all it helps these horses breath better not race any better persay, but they can breath. If you have ever been standing next to a race horse after its race..trust me. they need every ounce of o2 going through those lungs.
post #16 of 27
Thanks for the info...Btw, that horse didn't win that day.
It just sounded a bit sinister. I had some guilt over going to horse racing for awhile until I got to visit the stables (a friend of a friend is the farrier (sp?)) and lives in the stables themselves! Most of them appear to be treated very well..
After all, why would you want to mistreat a horse so that it races worse?

Though I hear that it wasn't that way back in the day.

Ok, sorry for the hijack, folks!!
post #17 of 27
I think we spend too much time, effort, and money investigating doping claims. If people want to kill themselves, they should be given the freedom to do so.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
Thanks for the info...Btw, that horse didn't win that day.
It just sounded a bit sinister. I had some guilt over going to horse racing for awhile until I got to visit the stables (a friend of a friend is the farrier (sp?)) and lives in the stables themselves! Most of them appear to be treated very well..
After all, why would you want to mistreat a horse so that it races worse?

Though I hear that it wasn't that way back in the day.

Ok, sorry for the hijack, folks!!

No problem to me Lasix isnt anything more than something helpfull to the horse. I do occasionaly worry when I see a horse listed on Bute, but it depends on the age.

Bute is like Advil, nothing illegal. But you know they are having some joint pain to be on bute, from a horse persons perspective.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by shengmei
I think we spend too much time, effort, and money investigating doping claims. If people want to kill themselves, they should be given the freedom to do so.
Its sounding like you think all drugs should be legalized. Is that what you meant?
post #20 of 27
No actually. Any thing that causes hallucinations would be dangerous to others in the society. I meant the drugs that only hurt the user.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by shengmei
No actually. Any thing that causes hallucinations would be dangerous to others in the society. I meant the drugs that only hurt the user.

Which ones would those be??
post #22 of 27
I'm against doping in sports because when you get to the level of pro sports, it's so elite that if everyone else is doping, and you're not you won't be able to compete, even if you have a lot of natural talent. Therefore, you are forced to take potentially dangerous drugs or fail in your sport. I don't think it's fair to non-doping atheletes.

I also agree with Yosemite that we are paying competitive atheletes way too much money. I think our culture puts too much emphasis on sports in general.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by PurrPaws
I also agree with Yosemite that we are paying competitive atheletes way too much money. I think our culture puts too much emphasis on sports in general.
I agree that we put way too much emphasis on professional and competitive sport.

However, I think it's ironic that at the same time, the level of physical activity of the average population is so low. We really live in a world of extremes... people dying for lack of physical activity, and other killing themselve with too much.
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post #25 of 27
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I know. I am heartbroken about this and I truly believe that cycling, the beautiful sport, will take years to recover from this last blow in a long line of blows. It is sooooo disappointing and sad.
post #26 of 27
It is to bad that this has happened. but to me whats worse, is that he still is not stepping up to the fact and admitting it.
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva! View Post
I am an avid cycling fan and have been, like many others around the world, shocked, angered and most of all, saddened by the recent drug scandals that have rocked the sport.

Particularly in the wake of the allegations of testosterone-doping made against Tour De France winner Floyd Landis, after his amazing comeback in stage 17 of the race, which ultimately led him on to win the Tour. He claims that he has naturally high levels of testosterone, and a B-sample will confirm or deny his claim; the test results are pending.

I hope with all my heart that he is cleared of this charge, not only for him, but because doping is the one thing that strips away the magic and wonder of sport - you will always be left asking after any win, any amazing show of strength or courage - were they on drugs? It makes me very, very sad, and its not just cycling, but all sports where this is an issue.

An emerging school of thought feels that perhaps certain drugs should be made legal - to even up the playing field again, as it were. There is some merit to this argument but to me, it just makes me think, then where would it stop? Which drugs would be allowed in which levels? How do you monitor this? And not only that, particularly in cycling, doping has led to the deaths of many cyclists - making it legal would only increase this risk.

What do you think? Accept the times and allow drugs in sport? Or keep fighting against doping - even though it will be a lifelong battle.

Yes kitE kats 4Eva,I do agree with you,
I love cycling,I remember the times of Chris boardman


also I remember ,Jahn ullrich ,and Lance Armstrong
I also remember the controversy surrounding lance armstrong riding for us postal,and the drug scandal and shame that must have brought on his family and friends.

I remember jan ullrich's and Ivan Basso's drug scandal.

These men were proffessional sportsmen and should not have even contemplated even being near any kind of drugs.

History does not remember the ones who fail drug tests.


History remembers the best!!!!............Chris Boardman
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