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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

And if cockapoos have been around that long, why are people still insisting they are purebred dogs and charging hundreds for them?
I don't really understand this...People will always continue to naively think that if something costs more, its better (especially in terms of dogs)....

Length of time doesn't decrease the odds of someone wanting a "designer" mutt...In fact, most people aren't aware that designer mutts/mixes are a bad thing.

The general public tends to believe what they hear.
If you don't take an active interest in animal advocacy and educate yourself on the ills of BYB's, pet stores and puppy mills, then you will think that getting that whatever "poo" or "doodle" out of the paper or mall is a great thing...
Most people aren't searching out this info...
 

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I didn't quite understand what GoldenKitty meant either... If the cockapoo has been around for so long I think people have a heavier claim on it being a purebred adn therefore charging more... I'm not saying I agree or anything but didn't quite understand the logic
. It just might be easier to push the breed to the AKC is the breed has been around for so long that a standard is forming. Of course I don't know a single thing about the cockapoo so I shouldn't be talking!
 
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If it was like one or two breeds that wouldn't even be that bad. I mean, that is how new breeds are formed right? BUT the fact that there is the HUGE list of all sorts of mixes and people are just mixing them on their own without knowing anything about health screenings and certifications and all that and charging so freakin much just makes me mad.

Ever hear about the whole Native American Indian Dog controversy? beautiful dogs but the fact that they became extinct or nearly extinct, makes it very unlikely that the breeders currently breeding them actually have a dog left over from the original NAID. They are selectively breeding mixes od coyote, Dingo, Blue Healer, Collie, wolf, malamute crosses until they come up with something that looks similar and calling it the SAME THING. It cannot possibly be the same thing if the dog was extinct. They should pick a new name! It is like coming up with a fuzzy elephant but breeding different breeds together and something else mixed in to get the extra fur and calling it an actual Woolly Mammoth
 

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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy

I know that lab people are really up in arms everywhere about the labradoodle phenomenon! I see at least 3-4 labradoodle ads a week (and they are the horrible.."I have pups all the time!" ads)...and at least a few other of the glorified mixes ads as well. I ALWAYS want to call them up and give them a piece of my mind!
I got hung up on once because I called a "Cordach" breeder and asked her if she knew how many puppies were euthanized a year because of people like her.


KitEKats4Eva!- Labradoodles have a long way to go. To be recognized as a breed, they have to be a mix of three or more breeds and breed true past the F4 or 5 generation.

Know what happens when you breed F2 labradoodles? You get some puppies that look like labs, and some that look like poodles. They do not breed true. Hence, they will not be a breed.
 

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Originally Posted by CherokeeDreams

I got hung up on once because I called a "Cordach" breeder and asked her if she knew how many puppies were euthanized a year because of people like her.


KitEKats4Eva!- Labradoodles have a long way to go. To be recognized as a breed, they have to be a mix of three or more breeds and breed true past the F4 or 5 generation.

Know what happens when you breed F2 labradoodles? You get some puppies that look like labs, and some that look like poodles. They do not breed true. Hence, they will not be a breed.
Yep I know all of this - and I'm certain that a properly recognised and registered Labradoodle breed is at least ten years away, however I still think it is a breed that is worth working on and worth doing properly - unlike all the other doodles, poos and so forth around!

Funny about your first comment - I did that too, to an American site that sold `purebred' Goldendoodles and so many other crosses. They have this huge site that is a big marketing ploy, basically, no screening is done of their potential buyers, and worst of all - they do not allow people to come and view the dogs - you have to buy online and you have to pay upfront - and I am talking literally thousands of dollars.

I emailed them saying that they were nothing more than a puppy mill and so on, and got the most abusive email imaginable back. Others I know who also emailed them - pretending to potential buyers, mostly - and asked informed questions, also got the same deal. I reported them to the ASPCA, but I don't know what happened, if anything. Unbelievable.
 
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OhI pretend to be interested all the time and ask them questions. What I have also done...this may be bad I don't know...but I saw someone post on craigslist one time that they had a male boxer who is 9 months old and they were looking to breed him. I pretended I had a female Boxer, registered of course who has all the health screenings done and I asked if theirs had the same. She said she had no idea, he wasn't registered and never bred before ,just though it would be a fun learning experience to try it out
Well I linked her to all kinds of sites and told her of specific health screenings she needs to have. I was expecting to get yelled at but she actually seemed grateful that I was helping her. I was afraid she was going to ask for a picture of my dog or something, that would be just my luck. She asked if she could contact me in the future after she has all these health tests done and I still told her no because (besides the fact that I was lying and I don't really have a Boxer) I won't breed to a dog who isn't registered. I explained to her what it means if she does find someone willing to breed to an unregistered unpapered dog...

Oh well, never will know how it actually went or what she did. Hopefully I made her think a little.
 

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Originally Posted by KitEKats4Eva!

Yep I know all of this - and I'm certain that a properly recognised and registered Labradoodle breed is at least ten years away, however I still think it is a breed that is worth working on and worth doing properly - unlike all the other doodles, poos and so forth around!

Funny about your first comment - I did that too, to an American site that sold `purebred' Goldendoodles and so many other crosses. They have this huge site that is a big marketing ploy, basically, no screening is done of their potential buyers, and worst of all - they do not allow people to come and view the dogs - you have to buy online and you have to pay upfront - and I am talking literally thousands of dollars.

I emailed them saying that they were nothing more than a puppy mill and so on, and got the most abusive email imaginable back. Others I know who also emailed them - pretending to potential buyers, mostly - and asked informed questions, also got the same deal. I reported them to the ASPCA, but I don't know what happened, if anything. Unbelievable.
Just making sure. I wasn't trying to arguemenative or mean


I really wish more people would call these BYBs or e-mail them. I honestly wonder sometimes if they actually know how many animals are put to sleep a year.

Who knows, maybe one doesn't and they could be educated?
 

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Originally Posted by CherokeeDreams

Just making sure. I wasn't trying to arguemenative or mean


I really wish more people would call these BYBs or e-mail them. I honestly wonder sometimes if they actually know how many animals are put to sleep a year.

Who knows, maybe one doesn't and they could be educated?
I know that!! No offence taken whatsoever!


It really upsets me all the ignorance in the dog world, it really does. I just don't know how it will ever stop
 

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What I have yet to understand is how the "breeders" of these mutts actually convince people that they're worth thousands of dollars. If someone pays $1500.00 for a puppy, would'nt you want some sort registration papers for it?? How do the mutt breeders explain that??? HMM??
And as far as "jumping on the bandwagon" goes, it was the LABRADOODLE that started that in the first place!! To scrounge up a couple of mutts, produce a litter or 2 or 3 or 15, and ask outrageous prices??? Do you blame the breeder (I even have a hard time calling them that....)or do you blame the ignorance of the people seeking them out?? Without demand, there would be no supply. Obviously, it's confirmed by that list. I could go off on this all day, as I think many of us could. Sad part is that I also know it will accomplish nothing because as long as there are soo many "uneducated" people out there duped into buying them, there will continue to be an endless flow of other "uneducated" people who are more than happy to keep the supply going!! And remember, the AKC has always prided itself on the efforts it puts forth to preserve the breeds it "recognizes". Breeds whose standards have taken decades to evolve. Centuries even, in some cases. You don't "create" a gene pool overnight and you don't need to be breeder to know that. It's basic Biology 101.
 

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Back in the 60's and 70's, most of the small mutts were called cockapoos, and most of the large mutts were called german shepherd huskies. Partly there were less purebreds breeding indescriminantly, but partly because they were just labelled that!

Everyone that I knew of with a cockapoo or german sheperd husky knew they were just mutts. Most of the dogs had been found, so no one knew their breed!

In the mid 90's we rescued a mutt with a litter of newborn puppies. When the time came, we listed them as mixed breed, and no one called. When we changed it to German Shepherd Lab mix, they all got adopted within days. (When they came to get the pups, I told them I had found the Mom and didn't know who the Dad was.) I'm not sure why people prefer a 2 breed mix, or why they will pay hundreds for a mutt.
 

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It IS sad that this is what it has come to. But I must say that no matter what they are beautiful dogs. I especially LOVE the Beago. But it doesn't matter. I would love my dog no matter what
 

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Our cockapoo we had growing up was just that, a Cocker x Poodle, but his coming into being was accidental.
He was free, he was a mutt, and he was a well loved family member on into his early 20s
 

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Some of them are really cute, like the Golden Sheltie, but some are....well.... not. Like the poor doodleman pinchers.

I noticed a couple of the mixes were with wild animals (coyote and timber wolf). Is that legal? Don't you have to have special permits to own something that close to a wild animal?

And someone explain to me how a golden retreiver and a dalmation can have black puppies.
 
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Originally Posted by Telynn

Some of them are really cute, like the Golden Sheltie, but some are....well.... not. Like the poor doodleman pinchers.
Did you see the Sheltie-doodle? That was UGLY! Big poofy curly coat...I don't like it at all (I have a sheltie).

And yes I agree, the Doodleman Pinchers were weird looking. Dobermans are kind o tough looking dogs, but with the curly coat it just makes them look like a joke.
 

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My last dog I got when I was 11

The lady had a cute little white poodle, a show dog, so she was intact.

Her daughter had what is probably the ugliest dog I've ever seen.
No clue why the mutt was still intact.
He was a sheltie-chi cross, man he was ugly.
The result wasn't too bad as far as looks.

My little girl was white, with a black bottom.
She looked like a flop eared white sheltie, except her coat was wavy.
 

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And today you could call her a shechipoo and sell her for big bucks. I'm looking over more of these dogs and there are a few that look just like the sterotypical mutt. You know, Benji. Why would you pay a lot of money for a dog that looks like what most people think of when you say mutt?

If you scroll down and look at all the pictures, when they show more then one dog of the 'breed', none of them really look alike. So two puppys of the same cross could look totally different. One could get a good mix of traits and another, not.

And yeah, the sheltie poodle was sad looking. (And I love shelties, so pretty)
 

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Originally Posted by kittiLuv

What I have yet to understand is how the "breeders" of these mutts actually convince people that they're worth thousands of dollars. If someone pays $1500.00 for a puppy, would'nt you want some sort registration papers for it?? How do the mutt breeders explain that??? HMM??
And as far as "jumping on the bandwagon" goes, it was the LABRADOODLE that started that in the first place!! To scrounge up a couple of mutts, produce a litter or 2 or 3 or 15, and ask outrageous prices??? Do you blame the breeder (I even have a hard time calling them that....)or do you blame the ignorance of the people seeking them out?? Without demand, there would be no supply. Obviously, it's confirmed by that list. I could go off on this all day, as I think many of us could. Sad part is that I also know it will accomplish nothing because as long as there are soo many "uneducated" people out there duped into buying them, there will continue to be an endless flow of other "uneducated" people who are more than happy to keep the supply going!! And remember, the AKC has always prided itself on the efforts it puts forth to preserve the breeds it "recognizes". Breeds whose standards have taken decades to evolve. Centuries even, in some cases. You don't "create" a gene pool overnight and you don't need to be breeder to know that. It's basic Biology 101.
I'm not sure if you've read this whole thread or just posted after reading the first couple of posts. But if you read the rest of my entries you'll see that you and I are pretty much on the same page. I acknowledged in one of my first posts in this thread that the Labradoodle is responsible for all of these other so-called `designer' mixes, and that makes me very sad. I also said that the Labradoodle is at least ten years away from being recognised as a breed. I also suggest that you do a little reading on the history of the Labradoodle before you say that is was just scrounging up a couple of mutts and selling them for thousands. This was not the case at all. I completely agree with your sentiment, and completely understand why you are so angry about it. It makes me angry too. However this site is not about being nasty, sarcastic or aggressive to other members, and certainly there are very few here who are unaware of the things you are saying, particularly me. I think you'll find all you need to know if you take the time to read all of my posts in this thread, and then perhaps you might have a little less to say in anger.
 

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I don't think she read all the posts, because I don't think those comments were directed at you.

I am finding it difficult to understand why a labradoodle is any different. Though they were first, I guess-- do you have anything that gives a nice unbiased history?
 

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Unfortunately, most Labradoodles these days (in fact I'd say in excess of 90 percent) are no different to all the other `doodle' mixes. They are simply F1 crosses of labs and poodles, bred for profit only, by backyard breeders and puppy mills who have no idea what they're doing.

I get upset about it, though, because the original idea behind the mix was a good and noble one, something that people have abused. Here is a link to the National Labradoodle Association and gives a history of how it all started

http://www.ilainc.com/AboutTheLabradoodle.html

Again, I think if responsible people would get back to doing this properly with this `breed' good things might come of it, but for now, they're just a designer doodle like everything else, for the most part, and it makes me really sad.
 
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