three kittens, learning the ropes

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Hi All,

I'm new here
and have a few questions (WARNING: this is probably going to be a very long post). First a bit of history: In a spur of the moment decision I adopted a rather young (exact age unknown) cat from a neighbor who didn't want her anymore and would have brought her to an animal shelter or worse would have had her put down (the nerve of some people, cat aren't toys to be thrown away after youâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]re done playing
). We have a house with a large garden and next to no traffic at all which I think is a rather good environment for a cat.

To make a long story short, Leticia (the cat) was pregnant when I got her (though I didn't know it then) and she gave birth to three adorable kittens last month. It was a bit stressful going from having almost no experience with cats to suddenly being caretaker of four but I read up on the topic and I think I managed rather well, the mom is comfortable and the kittens are up and exploring. But now a few questions have come up and I hope someone here can give me some advice.

The three kittens are six week old now, about a week and a half ago I saw that one of them showed interest in her motherâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]s canned food so I gave her a bit of canned kitten food and she really loves it. She has been eating it since then in addition to still feeding from her mom. The other two however show no interest at all in the food and are still only drinking milk from their mother. Is it normal for kitten siblings to be so far apart in development? None of the kittens see ill and their weight is normal for their age but still, I'm wondering.

Leticia has always been a paced eater, taking her time and taking breaks, but since on of the kittens has started eating canned food that has completely changed, she gobbles down her own food as fast as she can and then starts on the kitten food, it appears that she is jealous. I tried keeping her away or occupied while the kitten was eating but it didn't work. So now I have started mixing dry cat food into her canned food. She has never liked dry food before but mixed in with the canned she eats it just fine and it actually slows her down enough so that the kitten can eat too because she has to actually chew now instead of just swallowing it down as a whole. I'm just asking if it is in some way harmful for the cat to mix dry and canned food together like that or if it is okay. And is it significant that she didn't like dry food, or is it just typical cat-pickiness ?

And now to my third (and last) question. Our house has a basement, first floor (with living room, kitchen and such) and a second floor (bedrooms). Leticia gave birth in the cellar under an old sofa, two weeks later she moved the kittens one flight up into the living room and two days later another flight up into the bedroom where they are still staying. I bring the food up there and the litter pan is there as well (all three kittens are already using the litter pan already and I have neither seen nor smelled any accident at all
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But now they have become very mobile and have also learned to use the stairs. I have found them in the living room on two separate occasions. For now I'm just carrying them upstairs again but that is only a temporary solution. Now for the question, what do you think is better, moving them downstairs (including food and litter box) or making some sort of barrier upstairs the little ones can't climb yet? I have heard that cats are very sensitive to change and I'm afraid that the kittens will stop using the litter box if I move it to a different location, is that a possibility? Would they even like to be moved downstairs or are they probably even glad that I move them back upstairs after allowing them some time to explore? I hope someone can give me some advice, none of the questions I have are really pressing or urgent but it would ease my mind if I had some advice from more expierienced cat owners. Thank you very much
 

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To answer some of your questions:

It takes awhile for all the kittens to start eating. When I bought barn kittens in for weaning, I'd mix up some canned food, warm water and a little KMR (kitten milk). I'd put it on a paper plate. Then I'd take each kitten and start feeding them the soupy mix. They would either lick my fingers or start trying to eat off the paper plate. Sometimes I'd have to push their face in (be careful and not get their nose in it) and they would sit and lick off their mouths. A few times of this and they would catch on.

During this time, mom cat would NOT be allowed near the kittens or the food - so the kittens would be able to eat all they wanted. When the kits were done, then mom was allowed back into the room to finish what they didn't eat.

Try keeping mom out of the room for awhile. And its ok to mix dry and canned together - I did it.


#2 question - You could put another litter pan on the first floor while the kittens were running around - make sure they know where it is (like a bathroom). Supervise their exploring for awhile and before you leave the house, put them all in the one room for safety.
 

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We have a house with a large garden and next to no traffic at all which I think is a rather good environment for a cat.
Welcome to TCS....although I agree that having a house with a large yard and no traffic is a good place for a cat in general...you girl should have no exposure to the outdoors until her kittens are weaned and she can be safely spayed. Cats are induced ovulators and can become pregnant again within a few days of giving birth and we would like for this to be Leticia's only litter. If you need a low cost clinic for when it is time for her to be spayed...you can click the link in my signature and select the state that you currently live in.

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Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

It takes awhile for all the kittens to start eating. When I bought barn kittens in for weaning, I'd mix up some canned food, warm water and a little KMR (kitten milk). I'd put it on a paper plate. Then I'd take each kitten and start feeding them the soupy mix.
Hi GoldenKitty, thanks for the advice, I tried this today but while the kittens were sniffing my fingers and giving the food a few tentative licks they didn't seem to be impressed or all that interested. I think I will give it a day or two before trying again. I'm hoping they will follow the example of their sister already eating solid food. While they show no interest in the food itself they do seem to be curious on what their sibling is doing.

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

During this time, mom cat would NOT be allowed near the kittens or the food - so the kittens would be able to eat all they wanted. When the kits were done, then mom was allowed back into the room to finish what they didn't eat.
Thankfully the food isn't a problem anymore, mixing the canned with the dry food has really done the trick. The dry food seems to make the mom not only eat slower but also make her less hungry, she didn't bother with the kitten food at all today. They both ate their fill and for the first time since the kitten started eating solid food I found leftovers in both bowls



Originally Posted by TNR1

your girl should have no exposure to the outdoors until her kittens are weaned and she can be safely spayed.
Katie
Yeah, I know, I read up on it when I got her, but thanks for the advice anyway Katie
. I'm keeping her indoors all the time at the moment, especially as I suspect that she is in heat again, the last two days she has been super friendly, demanding scratches all the time and nuzzling my legs. Too bad that I don't live in the US, as there are no low cost clinics around here, at the moment I'm saving up to get four cats spayed when the time comes, fun, thankfully I hadn't planned a vacation or major acquisition in the near future anyway


Thankfully Leticia shows no desire to go outside at all as I have heard that some cats suffer real bad when they are locked inside once they have gotten used to be allowed outside whenever they want (I suspect it's too hot for her outside , especially as she has long black fur, the house is much cooler, especially the stone floor).

Another question along that line though, how long do you think I should wait to get her spayed after the kittens are weaned? Can it be done immediately? And what about the kittens, there seems to be a split in opinions on if you have to wait until after they first go into heat to get them spayed or not, what is the opinion about that here on this board ? Thank you very much for all your comments; I'm very grateful for second and third opinions.

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Another question along that line though, how long do you think I should wait to get her spayed after the kittens are weaned? Can it be done immediately? And what about the kittens, there seems to be a split in opinions on if you have to wait until after they first go into heat to get them spayed or not, what is the opinion about that here on this board ? Thank you very much for all your comments; I'm very grateful for second and third opinions.
If you have the option to keep her indoors for the entire time, then I would hold off on having her spayed until she has completely finished nursing her kittens and her milk has dried up. I volunteer at a clnic that spays/neuters feral cats (outdoor only cats) and we do spay lactating females...but these cats are returned outdoors.

As far as getting the kittens fixed....the new recommendation is to get them fixed as early as possible. I would look into having them fixed between 10-12 weeks of age.

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A lot of people are starting to spay/neuter at 3 lbs. My vets still like the old 8 months rule which is fine with me as my cat's are indoor cats and my older female is spayed. Nermal is coming on 5 months so he's got a little while to wait unless he starts having behaviour issues that is.
 

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Originally Posted by PhantomSr

A lot of people are starting to spay/neuter at 3 lbs. My vets still like the old 8 months rule which is fine with me as my cat's are indoor cats and my older female is spayed. Nermal is coming on 5 months so he's got a little while to wait unless he starts having behaviour issues that is.
Actually...many vets are spaying at 2 lbs....or 7/8 weeks...I've seen as young as 6 weeks. I prefer to wait a little bit and spay/neuter at 10-12 weeks. Since females can become pregnant as early as 4 months...this is a whole month ahead.

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Thank you all for your responses and advice
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I will trust your advice Katie and have the kittens spayed/neutered at around 11/12 weeks before giving them into their new home (I'm going to keep one and have found a good place for the other two with friends of minewhere they can stay together and I can check up on them occasionally). Thanks again, I appreciate it.

Dru
 
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