!!!*!!! Electric Collar !!!*!!!

I wish with all my heart this wasn't for real - I placed cats and their owner is seriously going to do this if i don't find her alternatives. The poster is trying to help me do this. Thanks for your concern. Sneaks

IT COULD be FATAL ... evvan some of the small dogs ones used on 8-15 lb DOGS have caused heart attack s and death

Originally Posted by Sneakersm

I wish with all my heart this wasn't for real - I placed cats and their owner is seriously going to do this if i don't find her alternatives. The poster is trying to help me do this. Thanks for your concern. Sneaks

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I'd say a very good alternative would be to place the cat in a different home and then find a large dog collar that gives an electric jolt and securely place around the neck of the aforementioned owner for serious training about what is and is not humane.

Thank you, Tru -- I couldn't have said it better myself.

Where is this poor cat? If I can get there, I'll be happy to kidnap him.

I think it's wrong and inhumane for a cat or a dog or any animal.

Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom

Before doing anything to an animal, have someone do it to you and see if it hurts. I test out Zissou's brushes on my arms, put weight on my hands in the litter (clean, of course--to see if it'll hurt her paws), etc.

I used to think it was okay to spray a cat with water under certain circumstances, but my roommate started spraying me once (as a joke) and I realized how much I hated it, so I stopped doing it. So put the collar around your neck, and have someone shock you whenever they feel like it, and see how you like it. It's not so much that it may hurt them as they start living in a state of constant fear of you shocking them.

And yes, I do think it's mean, and it's certainly totally unnecessary.

There are other ways to deter them. I snap my fingers and say "no" in a calm yet stern voice when Zissou does something bad. Or just look at her right, and she's knows she's being naughty. There are some deterents that are okay, like bitter apple spray on cords or things they chew but shouldn't, etc. But physical punishment is bad, and doesn't work.

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I totally agree about "testing" things on ourselves first.

Not the best refferance but it'll work. I was watching Jack and one of the guys tried on an electric collar made to "discourage" dogs from barking. The idea was that the louder the bark the bigger the shock. Even after a very soft "ruff" it was clearly uncomfortable/painfull for the guy wearing it. It got to the point where he couldn't stand it anymore in fact. So, if that type if shock effects a human (who's at least 100x's the size of a house cat) imagine what'd itd do to the animal wearing it.

We moved to a house without a fence, and our homeowner's association won't allow fences to be built. So we resorted to an electric fence for our dogs. They do fine with it, and the training regime was based on POSTIVE stuff, making the yard fun and things like that.
The guy, in his sales pitch, also said that you can get electric collars for cats to keep them from certain parts of your house and things. When he said that my reaction was ! I couldn't imagine using an electric collar for a cat! I don't think they'd even understand what it was about! I don't think electric collars are good for dogs either, but my dogs rarely ever get a shock (they are only outside when we are home and out with them, so I can testify to this!). Shock collars are made for those who don't want to put the work into REAL training.

Beyond the possible physical harm, I don't even want to think about the emotional trauma that this could cause a cat. The cat could become afraid of everything and everyone. Living with dogs for most of my life, I can say that I wouldn't try it with them either. There are much more effective training methods for both animals; they just require a little more work on the human's part, and training is one of the many responsibilities to be considered before adopting any animal.

Originally Posted by tru

I'd say a very good alternative would be to place the cat in a different home and then find a large dog collar that gives an electric jolt and securely place around the neck of the aforementioned owner for serious training about what is and is not humane.

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I'm with you on that one! If I placed a cat and found out they were even thinking about putting a shock collar on I would go and get that poor baby out of there!

Originally Posted by CarolPetunia

Where is this poor cat? If I can get there, I'll be happy to kidnap him.

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I'll join you carol



Electric shock collars for any animal are cruel and cause unnessecary cruelty and
suffering to the animal.
Animals senses are hundreds of times more sensitive than a human,Their pain
threshold is a lot lower too,What we would consider uncomfortable pain to us,would
be agony for them,Which is why animals are afforded the right to euthanisation.
Don't even consider using one.

OK, I need something clarified...In a seperate post, I asked what would be an effective way to keep my cat off the counter when I am not home to correct her behavior. A number of people replied that the scat mat (which gives an electrical shock) would be the best method of training her. What is the difference? Why would people here be so supportive of shocking my cat with a mat, but then be absolutely horrified about an electrical collar?

*I am not in support of electrical collars*

Originally Posted by WELDRWOMN

OK, I need something clarified...In a seperate post, I asked what would be an effective way to keep my cat off the counter when I am not home to correct her behavior. A number of people replied that the scat mat (which gives an electrical shock) would be the best method of training her. What is the difference? Why would people here be so supportive of shocking my cat with a mat, but then be absolutely horrified about an electrical collar?

*I am not in support of electrical collars*

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way different voltages and one hits the feets ( fatty are) the other the neck ... there are auto sprays , tin foil , bubble wrap

Before anyone considers putting a shock collar on their pet I suggest you watch this.

***could be graphic for some and there may be some strongish language***

Originally Posted by WELDRWOMN

Why would people here be so supportive of shocking my cat with a mat, but then be absolutely horrified about an electrical collar?

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I have no idea, WeldrWomn! While the collar is clearly even WORSE than the mat, both are barbaric abuses of our power as the dominant (but rarely superior) species on this planet.

Somebody -- maybe Mark Twain? -- said that we can be judged by our treatment of those less powerful than ourselves. I believe anyone who would apply electrical shock to cause a living creature pain in the guise of "training" is, at best, clueless... and at worst, contemptible.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but this is very serious stuff. Were we not all horrified by the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib, some of which involved electrical shock? Why would we then use the same technique on our beloved pets?

Yes, the intentions in the two cases are different... but pain is pain.

Originally Posted by Phenomsmom

I really don't think the collar is a good idea and neither with the other members of this site. As I said before cats really don't respond to these sorts of deterents like dogs and other animals do.

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This is wrong though.

If cats don't like something they will avoid it. So a deterrent like this might work. I find the collar no more cruel than the squirt bottle honestly. I don't like or use either of them, but as far as cruelness goes, I don't think either one is worse than the other.

But Cats prove time and time again that if they have a bad experience with a particular thing or place, they usually don't go back to that thing or place for a very long time. That, my friend, is called a deterrent.


The Sticky tape and tinfoil that people put down to stop their cat from climbing on counters is the SAME thing. It is done because it is thought to be unpleasant for the pet and will deter them from wanting to go up there again.

Many have recommended spraying their cords with bitter apple to keep the cats from chewing on them. We do so because Bitter apple is unpleasant for the cat. Thus, it is deterring the animal from chewing on the cords anymore.

Are you getting my point yet? You are setting a double standard based on nothing more than your idea of what you think is socially acceptable.

For all you know a cat might prefer electric shock treatment to walking on sticky-tape, for all I know my cat would prefer to be zapped then have his nails clipped every couple of weeks (he most assuredly acts like it).

The electric collars are stupid for cats or dogs. They're for lazy pet owners who don't care enough to train their pets properly. In very few cases are they actually necessary to train a pet who is so stubborn that nothing else works, but they are no more "cruel" than spraying a cat with water or feeding it bitter apple or laying down sticky tape (which my cat also hates with a passion).

To the cat, it's ALL cruel and evil. Trust me, the cat doesn't differentiate one scruffing as being necessary (to clip nails, administer medication, etc.) as opposed to another scruffing for punishment. It's all the same scruffing to them, it's only humans that want to believe there is a distinction.

Originally Posted by WELDRWOMN

OK, I need something clarified...In a seperate post, I asked what would be an effective way to keep my cat off the counter when I am not home to correct her behavior. A number of people replied that the scat mat (which gives an electrical shock) would be the best method of training her. What is the difference? Why would people here be so supportive of shocking my cat with a mat, but then be absolutely horrified about an electrical collar?

*I am not in support of electrical collars*

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There is no difference in reality. One method is simply accepted by the social group, and another is shunned, but the truth is they are both the same.

One method will have people screaming for a forum ban, and another will have them patting you on the back.

It's an irrational logic that takes hold among human social groups and creates a double standard by which everyone inside or outside that social group is expected to live and die by.