Siamese Cats

Hehe thank you Wookie i'll be checking into your listings of people. I'm still thinking about it would help if i had alot more comments about people that breed them.

Thank You

One thing to keep in mind. Siamese mature a lot sooner then most cats. I know a siamese breeder that let their 5 month old male run with females. He became a dad at 7 months! Which means he bred the females at 5 months old.

Basically siamese are very active, very vocal and very smart

Vocal which includes loud crying alot lol and waking up early in the morning to my boyfriends cat. Avtice meaning chasing a 4 legged kitten that can hide just about anywhere. I was looking at a site on alot of things to do to keep your items and the cat safe but that means just about doing a remake over of my house lol.

There really is nothing like having a kitten in your home to point out all the things that need changing, is there? *wink*

Ok troy lol. Jeez how about a lil women support here kidding, ok.. ok.. i'll "think" about it. But i'm not using glue on my vases. It was a big idea that you glue any collectibles down so they can't knock them over.

Troy has been begging me since 7:30am to get a siamese cat so i said i'd "think" about it. But tube my wires, glue things, hide things, close things.. i feel like it will be a jail cell lol

Gotta add another 2 cents here. Our Siamese aren't all that vocal. Bijou really only "talks" to daddy when he wants to go out, otherwise you wouldn't know he's around. Mika has a voicebox defect and can only make little huffing noises. It's a quiet Siamese household we have here.

There not! lol Cookie has already found her way to the toliet paper oh boy did she have a blast with the rolling white stuff. Then Smore was crying at 3:30am in the morning he "HAD" to sleep on me purring like a race car all night.

Cookie will lick your face to wake you up like some kind of poodle. I don't cage them because they got really loud after only after 5-7mins in the cage toghther so they just stay out. They are good with the litter box no accidents yet **knocks on wood**.

But still they really like to push your buttons, she had them on that Fancy Feast stuff and Cookie wasn't eating until i mixed alittle of it in her food . Smore does find on his Frisky wet food, pretty yes, but very wild lol miniature lions on the lose .

They sound very cute. I bet they're a handful! And just wait...they do actually get worse!!! Sometimes it feels like the kitten-crazies never end...but once they're all grown-up, a part of you will miss those days. For me, it's a very small part. I do prefer adults to kittens...kittens are hard WORK!!!! It's a lot like raising human children!!! Adults are work too, but at least they're somewhat mellow and more laid-back. Oh, what the heck, I just love kitties of all ages.

Any possibility of pictures? We'd love to see all of your kitties! The new Siamese pair sound darling.

Yea i'll get pictures as soon as one takes atleast 4 secounds to stop braking stuff lol. I took a few and uploaded them you can't see anything :sighs: Troy tried to hold Smore and the lil brat clawed him and took off behind my "EXPENSIVE" couch and thought it looked like a nice scratching post.

Cookie is more into her toliet paper lol and her Fancy Feast kitty food hoping that they will calm down. If Smore doesn't stop i'll have to cage him or something because he's not being a good kitty

Remember, they're being kittens! Kittens aren't naughty...they're just full of energy, curiosity, and PLAY!!! Maybe it would help to have them in a small room until they're a bit more mature...one with a scratching post that they can get the hang of. Sometimes too much freedom can be a bad thing for little kitties!

Yea i mainly keep them in our spare bed room in the hall way when were at work or not in the house i got a big climbing tree thing they can scratch on. Cookie likes to sleep in your lap and claim chairs lol.

While Smore likes to run, claw, tackle, roll and the list goes on lol.. i tried the moving mice thing yea lasted 2mins then he decided to run around doing front flips.

Don't worry about it. Like I said, they have the kitten-crazies, and it may not seem like it for quite some time, but it passes. Once they are fixed (unless they already are), you will notice that they calm down quite a bit...and are simply behaving like kittens do.

I never thought Captain Steuben would mellow out. I got Ripley as a kitten too, and she was a tad crazy, but no one on Earth compared to Steuben...he's now almost 5 months old. He was neutered just 3 weeks ago. Prior to the neuter, he was literally FLYING off every piece of furniture, knocking things over, terrorizing my adult cats, biting hands, climbing legs, attacking invisible moths, and generally INSANE. 23 hours a day. I save the other hour for short naps, potty, and meals. I would invite people over, and I cannot tell you how many of them told me that Steuben was "the wildest kitten they ever saw." Ugh. The other comment was, "Oh my...he's very aggressive, isn't he?"

Now that he's been altered, I have to say that I've noticed a difference right away. He's now sitting on my lap for short intervals, will take slightly longer naps, and is no longer behaving like "King Forouk" toward my adult pair. He is generally more mellow, and actually far more enjoyable. This is not to say that he no longer has the kitten-crazies, because he does. The moral of the story, is that IT GETS BETTER!!!

yea the soonest my vet could get them both in was August 26th at 10:30am she's booked with a bunch of dogs and such. By then they will be around 4mons of age, i really don't mind it now i'm use to kittens and i really do love them.. when there sleeping lol.

When there out there out a hurricane couldn't wake them up and Cookie sleeps alot and likes to lay in your lap. Smore just likes to play all the time and Cookie lets him have it when she doesn't want to play hehe. Silly little furbabies.

There also getting Chubby, i think i "MIGHT" get a collar for them i know i think its stupid but i can picture Smore running off :sighs: i don't know. But i do want to put there tags and such on them and my vet said i can microchip them if i want. I paid $300 ea which i kinda think is alot since everybody said TCA isn't the best.

Troy and i are thinking of getting another older female for breeding or something but i'm not sure cookie lays on the basket every night at the end of the bed and we keep Smore in the room down the hall since we can't trust him running free at night. Were afraid he'll do alot more damage lol.

I just recently found thecatsite.com. I've found it very informative since I only recently began breeding Siamese. This particular thread as well as "it's gayef's fault" thread, has caught my attention. My kitty babies are TCA registered. I never knew that people considered TCA less than the other associations. Chalk it up to being new. Neither did I consider that some people don't look too kindly on those who use classified ads. I see some of the points but I don't think that everyone who does so should be over-generalized.

Our Queen has never had a sick day in her life. She is beautiful. And every one of her kittens from her first litter was huge and healthy. And I've found that I can sell my kittens at a very reasonable price and still provide them with shots, deworming, and vet care. I'm able to do all of this because I've accepted that I won't be making a lot of money. I enjoy blessing people with these wonderful animals and I'm blessed to have them around my home.

It also seems as though people assume when your kittens cost less, then their surrounds are poor. Our home is in a nice neighborhood. Our home is nice, clean, and you wouldnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know that we had cats if you were using your nose only. And we always invite people to our home so they can see the environment in which our cats are raised.

Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve become well aware that there are some unethical breeders whose sole purpose is to make money at the expense of their animals well being. I encountered some of these people in the very brief time Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve been doing this. In reading this thread I was horrified to think that this assumption would be made of me because of the association Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m in, or by the way I choose (and can afford) to advertise.

I truly was thrilled to find this site, because being new I wanted a place to bounce questions off of more experienced breeders. I want to avoid mistakes made due to ignorance. And to tell the truth my first encounter with what some would call an “established and reputable breeder†in the city that I live in was very unpleasant. She was unfriendly and somewhat hostile. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m glad to say that since then Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve meet some lovely people who have been gracious in sharing their experience, but having a website where a number of people chime in with their experience, opinion, and know how is priceless. I do want to continue to breed and I may consider another association. I need for information.

So yes Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m new at breeding and at this site, but I know my heart and I know the passion I have for traditional Siamese. And Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m crazy in love with my babies. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]d just like to humbly encourage people to not make blanket assumptions about others. Thanks.

Originally Posted by KittyPaws

Cookie is more into her toliet paper lol and her Fancy Feast kitty food hoping that they will calm down.

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I'd like to suggest a visit to the Health and Nutrition forum and do some reading to find a better quality food for your kitties. There is a world of nutritional advice there for folks like myself that still have a lot to learn about caring for my babies.

Lastly, congratulations on your new fur babies. I'm sure they'll bring you much joy just as ours have.

All I can say is, if you think those Siamese kittens are crazy, don't ever get a Bengal. My Siamese are both very mellow kitties, but my Bengal Simba who is now 3 years old, is just as crazy as a baby kitten, and a lot more destructive. My Bengal Angel is a lot more mellow than Simba, but more active than the Siamese. Maybe it's a boy kitty thing.

lol, o i just love people telling me there kitties are even more crazy than mine. They sleep more now but still there like wild lions. I tried alot of things even frisky which my other cat loves but Cookie won't eat anything else. I've tried alot of differnt brands and she favers the Fancy Feast.

Originally Posted by siameseohio

I just recently found thecatsite.com. I've found it very informative since I only recently began breeding Siamese.

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Welcome to the site. This is a wonderful place, filled with good, knowledgable people who give both freely and generously of their time to help others with cat-related issues. I look forward to your contributions.

This particular thread as well as "it's gayef's fault" thread, has caught my attention. My kitty babies are TCA registered. I never knew that people considered TCA less than the other associations. Chalk it up to being new.

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I don't think that people consider TCA so much less than other associations, but the problem with TCA is that none of the other, more mainstream associations recognize their pedigrees unless the cats contained within them are eligible for dual-registry. I know a few traditional cat breeders who are registered with other associations as well as TCA, so for any of us to presume anything about those breeders is both foolhardy and IMO, simply wrong. These breeders are quite responsible, ethical and knowledgable people, but when the other associations began to phase out the Old-Style cats, they didn't have anywhere else to go. TCA answered a need for them, but unfortunately, the registry process they employ is a little on the iffy side when it comes to eligibility within other associations.

Neither did I consider that some people don't look too kindly on those who use classified ads. I see some of the points but I don't think that everyone who does so should be over-generalized.

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I must agree. I know plenty of good, ethical, responsible breeders who frequently use classified ads to promote the sale of their kittens. Just because someone uses a classified ad doesn't necessarily mean they are a bad breeder or mistreat their kittens in any way. I have used classifieds myself from time to time, but I found it less expensive and a lot more productive to use the Internet to find my kitten buyers. But not everyone has access to the Internet or owns a home computer. For those who don't, classifieds are a good way to reach the public who may be looking for a kitten. It is an over-generalization to think badly of people who take out a classified ad, but I think it is due to those people who take out "free to a good home" type ads or the ones who advertise "Purebred Whatever Kittens $100 No Papers".

Our Queen has never had a sick day in her life. She is beautiful. And every one of her kittens from her first litter was huge and healthy. And I've found that I can sell my kittens at a very reasonable price and still provide them with shots, deworming, and vet care. I'm able to do all of this because I've accepted that I won't be making a lot of money. I enjoy blessing people with these wonderful animals and I'm blessed to have them around my home.

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I am thrilled to hear your cats are happy, healthy and beautiful. IMO, there is no more beautiful cat than a healthy cat, so that is what I strive for in my own program. When you say you can sell your babies at a reasonable price, what do you consider to be reasonable? If you are uncomfortable placing that info here, please feel free to PM me, but there is a reason that we, as breeders, charge what we do for our kittens. We should discuss that sometime.

It also seems as though people assume when your kittens cost less, then their surrounds are poor. Our home is in a nice neighborhood. Our home is nice, clean, and you wouldnâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]t know that we had cats if you were using your nose only. And we always invite people to our home so they can see the environment in which our cats are raised.

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I hate it when people presume ... but unfortunately, breeders who are a lot less than desirable do sell their kittens for less than what is recommended for the breed and it gives the rest of us a bad rep. My home is clean ... it's cluttered, but it's sanitary. My carpets are old and stained from my son, my clumsy husband and of course, the cats who have "decorated" in their own unique style, but they are regularly vacuumed and shampoo'ed. I keep my male breeding cat inside my home, so yes, you can smell him - especially when my female is in heat and he goes to hosing this house down like it's on fire - but it isn't overpowering and I clean his area up daily to keep the odor down. Raising cats in a regular home environment can be problematic - we want them to be well-loved, socialized and happy members of our family, but because of the very nature of breeding, the environment can suffer a bit.

Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve become well aware that there are some unethical breeders whose sole purpose is to make money at the expense of their animals well being. I encountered some of these people in the very brief time Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve been doing this. In reading this thread I was horrified to think that this assumption would be made of me because of the association Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m in, or by the way I choose (and can afford) to advertise.

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My dear, I would hope the members here at TCS would not be so quick to snap judgements about new people. I think that just as in everyday life, we must ALL remember to get to know a person before formulating an opinion about them. Being a TCA registered breeder or taking out a classified ad does not, IMO make you a bad breeder. But there are other ways of doing things which can boost not only your program success, but also your reputation. I am always available to discuss these things, but I prefer to do so in private. Send me email, call me on the phone or private-message me here if you would like to talk about some of these things.

I truly was thrilled to find this site, because being new I wanted a place to bounce questions off of more experienced breeders. I want to avoid mistakes made due to ignorance. And to tell the truth my first encounter with what some would call an “established and reputable breeder†in the city that I live in was very unpleasant. She was unfriendly and somewhat hostile. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m glad to say that since then Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]ve meet some lovely people who have been gracious in sharing their experience, but having a website where a number of people chime in with their experience, opinion, and know how is priceless. I do want to continue to breed and I may consider another association. I need for information.

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We are thrilled to have you here and as I have already said, we look forward to your contributions as well. I remember the hostility and discouraging ways of long-time, experienced breeders I contacted when I first got started and yes, it can be hurtful as well as frustrating for someone just getting into breeding. If you are considering another association, give me a shout and I'll try to help you determine what options are open to you.

So yes Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m new at breeding and at this site, but I know my heart and I know the passion I have for traditional Siamese. And Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]m crazy in love with my babies. Iâ€[emoji]8482[/emoji]d just like to humbly encourage people to not make blanket assumptions about others. Thanks.

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Thank you for the gentle nudge. You are absolutely right, of course and blanket assumptions have no place here. I know I will endeavor to be much better about it and I just want to say again how much I appreciate your comments. Thank you for joining us!

Yours, as always,

Gaye Flagg

Hello Gayef,

I must be brief because I have a number of people on the way over for a study. I will post later this evening or tomorrow. But I have to take the time to say how much I appreciate you. I've read your responses to other's postings and in everything I've read you show not only knowledge but wisdom as well.

Thank you for addressing my post so thouroughly. Truly my desire is to do the best for the breed, and do right by my animals. I'm looking forward to communicating with you further. Thank you for kindness. Thank you for making yourself available. THANKS!!!

I have to add my two sense worth.Siamese are just incrediable .I have owned Siamese for the past 30 years. At least two in the house. Right now I have 4.Reilly is 9 months and Lilly just turned 1. Then I have Yowdy who is 7 and Jade who is 4 now. They are active yes as kittens. I believe alot of this has to do with their extreme agililty. Tyey can jump and climb and reach places other breeds of cats can't.Some are talkers and others aren't Yowdy is some what talkative. But Reilly takes the cake all you have to do is glance his way and hes talking. But thats what makes them unique. Its not annoying at all.I have found the males to be more lovey and wanting more attention. If your going to get a Siamese get two. Then they have someone to run and play with.
gayef. I was sold Reilly and the breeder says hes a modified wedge head. As his moms a weddge and his dads a Old Style. Hes a 4th generation.Have you heard of these?