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post #31 of 51
Your story about Terror stealing your stuff cracked me up. Mine do it too, but they work together. It's the weirdest thing. Anything, and I do mean anything that I leave on the kitchen counter would dissapear. They were very sneaky about it too. I would take home a bunch of groceries, and leave the non-perrishable groceries on the counter, and the next day ask myself why I forgot to buy garlic again, or why I was so sure I had purchased a new dishbrush but didn't take it home. One morning I came down the stairs and found a can of soup on the stairs. Without thinking any more of it, every day I started noticing random things on the stairs. Then my clothes started dissapearing. My favorite shirt was gone, and I started to think I was going crazy.

So one day as I was cleaning my guest bathroom, I noticed a sock poking out of the bath tub. I pulled back the shower curtain to find a massive soup of stuff made up of all these things that had gone missing. It was crazy! Whole cans of soup (don't ask me how they got it in there), bags, paper towels (shredded to bits of course), spices from the spice rack, kitchen utensils, clothes, dog toys, razor heads (they must have picked these out of the garbage in our bathroom). I just started laughing so hard. I left everything in there for my boyfriend to see when he came home.

Even after cleaning it up, they kept bringing stuff up there. I just had to add that bathtub to my list of things to clean often. Then one day, I made my usual tin-foil ball toy for them, and left the house. I came back and went to my office and I hear the most god-awful noise like someone is banging down a wall next door. It took me about 5 minutes to realize the noise was coming from inside the house. I followed the noise to the guest bathtub and found all the things they had stollen were sitting outside the tub in a pile, and Paris and Cairo were in the tub with the foil ball bouncing all over the place. I guess they found a more exciting use for the bathtub!
post #32 of 51
Thread Starter 
This may be an interesting topic for the behavior forum....So sorry I got off topic with my Klepto cat post here!!! It's nice to know that others have theives amongst them!!!! I thought that it was a 'behavioral defect' in my Terror - I had never had a cat that stole things before. I wonder what the significance is and I also wonder why she only steals MY stuff. Even my boyfriend had a pen jar and she NEVER took any of his!! She doesn't steal from my daughter - I am the lucky one!!!
Keeping close watch on my watch and jewelry!!!!! She doesn't SEEM steal money - but that isn't to say that one day I might just find a fortune in bills shoved in a corner somewhere!

Crazy beasts!!!!!

Tahnks for the stories!
Cathy
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by Cairo
So one day as I was cleaning my guest bathroom, I noticed a sock poking out of the bath tub. I pulled back the shower curtain to find a massive soup of stuff made up of all these things that had gone missing. It was crazy! Whole cans of soup (don't ask me how they got it in there), bags, paper towels (shredded to bits of course), spices from the spice rack, kitchen utensils, clothes, dog toys, razor heads (they must have picked these out of the garbage in our bathroom). I just started laughing so hard. I left everything in there for my boyfriend to see when he came home.

Even after cleaning it up, they kept bringing stuff up there. I just had to add that bathtub to my list of things to clean often. Then one day, I made my usual tin-foil ball toy for them, and left the house. I came back and went to my office and I hear the most god-awful noise like someone is banging down a wall next door. It took me about 5 minutes to realize the noise was coming from inside the house. I followed the noise to the guest bathtub and found all the things they had stollen were sitting outside the tub in a pile, and Paris and Cairo were in the tub with the foil ball bouncing all over the place. I guess they found a more exciting use for the bathtub!
That is just wild! I must say, though, that at TCS I have learned that tin-foil balls aren't safe for kitties. Sometimes they will bite a piece off and swallow it. My Festie loves crinkle balls, and I'm sure she would love a tin foil ball, but I won't give it to her.

I know my kitties steal toys, too. They love Polly Pockets!
post #34 of 51
Our cat Ralphie used to steal my daughters small stuffed bears. He would steal them and put them under the bed. Once in a while he would carry them out in the livingroom. He looked like a momma kitty carrying a baby.
post #35 of 51
Heavens yes! Mika steals keys. I have to be sure to close my purse or my keys will be missing in the morning.

We had a Siamese/Himalayan mix boy before our beloved Bijou and he was so cute. Our daughter had a collection of beanie babies and one day he took one of his favourite's off her dresser and dragged it out of her room. My mom (who lived with us until her passing) saw him and said, "Simba, you can't have that" so she took it back in the room. A little while later she saw him coming out of our daughter's room again with it, she said, "Simba, you go put that back". You guessed it. He took the beanie baby back in our daughter's room, jumped up on the dresser and put it back, then he came skulking out.

I'll be waiting impatiently to see pictures of your kitty (and her babies too I hope).
post #36 of 51
I once had a very beloved and special Meezer girl ... anyway, she was a klepto-kitty. To this day, I still find little stashes of her perloined booty: one of a pair of earrings I thought I had lost, hairclips, a pair of reading glasses, balled up ciggie packs, and what I found to be the strangest item, a picture of me holding her with the corners chewed off. I miss that cat more than I can handle some days. *sigh*

My current girl, Lexus is absolutely incorrigable. My good friend Tricia comes over every Thursday morning for coffee and a vist - we sit at my kitchen table and Tricia normally leaves her pocketbook on the floor by her chair. Well, Lex slinks in as only a Siamese can do and sticks her entire head right into Tricia's pocketbook, takes out whatever she fancies and runs off with it for parts unknown. LOL So now, Tricia will slip a "Lexus Prize" into her bag when she knows she is coming by just. Lex still sticks her big head into the bag and takes the Prize, but at least we aren't chasing her down trying to retrieve whatever other things she took ... Cats. What would we do without them???
LL
post #37 of 51
As someone who has done a LOT of rescue work I can see her point. I have lurked here a while, and I don't think that anyone here thinks that purebreds are more valuable or worthwhile than mixes, but millions of mixed-breed cats, dogs, kittens and puppies are euthanized every year, as well as a fair number of purebreds. If every cat or dog owner decided to let their pet have a litter before getting them fixed, can you imagine how high that number would be? It's not personal, but right now the number of kittens and puppies being born far exceeds the available homes for them. It is a sick, sick feeling when you have all the fosters you can handle and then some, and someone calls you because they just found three puppies or kittens that will have to go to the pound, where they euthanize 95% of what comes in, if you don't help - but you can't. I have been there, and it hurts.
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by possumstew
As someone who has done a LOT of rescue work I can see her point. I have lurked here a while, and I don't think that anyone here thinks that purebreds are more valuable or worthwhile than mixes, but millions of mixed-breed cats, dogs, kittens and puppies are euthanized every year, as well as a fair number of purebreds. If every cat or dog owner decided to let their pet have a litter before getting them fixed, can you imagine how high that number would be? It's not personal, but right now the number of kittens and puppies being born far exceeds the available homes for them. It is a sick, sick feeling when you have all the fosters you can handle and then some, and someone calls you because they just found three puppies or kittens that will have to go to the pound, where they euthanize 95% of what comes in, if you don't help - but you can't. I have been there, and it hurts.
I've been there too...which is why I'm so glad that our rescue spays/neuters all the kittens and cats before they go to homes. That way...those cats will not contribute to the overpopulation.

Katie
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by Beckiboo
That is just wild! I must say, though, that at TCS I have learned that tin-foil balls aren't safe for kitties. Sometimes they will bite a piece off and swallow it. My Festie loves crinkle balls, and I'm sure she would love a tin foil ball, but I won't give it to her.

I know my kitties steal toys, too. They love Polly Pockets!
Oh wow! I didn't know foil balls were not safe. Are crinkle balls the ones you get in the store, and look like christmas decorations? Are those safe? Funny thing is my cats love full sized tennis balls. And if I throw one in the house for Moscow, Paris beats him to it and starts attacking him if he even thinks about taking from her.
post #40 of 51
I've always been told that a cat should not be given oxytocin injections until after labor has begun and preferably after at least one kitten has been born. I've been told it can cause the uterus to rupture if strong contractions result with the cervix not being open enough yet?

I had a queen that had to have oxytocin injections during queening many years ago, she had already delivered 6 and was having difficulty with the last two. It was a huge litter for a siamese, and only 5 out of 8 made it unfrotunately, but I remember it vividly... middle of the night, emergency vet trip etc. That queen was spayed as soon as that litter was weaned as well.
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by pondwader
I've always been told that a cat should not be given oxytocin injections until after labor has begun and preferably after at least one kitten has been born. I've been told it can cause the uterus to rupture if strong contractions result with the cervix not being open enough yet?

I had a queen that had to have oxytocin injections during queening many years ago, she had already delivered 6 and was having difficulty with the last two. It was a huge litter for a siamese, and only 5 out of 8 made it unfrotunately, but I remember it vividly... middle of the night, emergency vet trip etc. That queen was spayed as soon as that litter was weaned as well.
I am glad I am not the only one who has been told this. I have been told that cat inductions are not an option, and c-section is the only option for a cat who is overdue. I was surprised by the decision of the OP's vet to induce with oxytocin, and was curious if this was something new.
Here is another curiosity question, can a cat who has had a c-section still be bred again? My decison would be to have the cat spayed, however, my curiosity is whether breeding again is a safe option.
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by FamilytimeRags
Here is another curiosity question, can a cat who has had a c-section still be bred again? My decison would be to have the cat spayed, however, my curiosity is whether breeding again is a safe option.
Stormi, if I recall correctly, one of the Bengal breeders here (shoot - I totally can't remember the name (SolarityBengals maybe?) had a cat with a c-section and the cat is now pregnant again? Does that sound familiar?

On a somewhat unrelated front, I got pregnant with my daughter 12 weeks after my son was born via c-section. The doctor said that it was completely safe. So I would think it was quite possible to have a repeat breeding, especially since most of the dedicated breeders I know don't usually breed their queens more than once a year...
post #43 of 51
The agency I deal with spays and neuters adults and kittens/pups 6 months plus. With babies there's a very binding spay/neuter agreement and the reimbursement of part of the adoption fee upon submitting proof of having done so at six months. I wish they did the pediatric spay/neuters - reasons for not doing so may be financial, though.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by possumstew
The agency I deal with spays and neuters adults and kittens/pups 6 months plus. With babies there's a very binding spay/neuter agreement and the reimbursement of part of the adoption fee upon submitting proof of having done so at six months. I wish they did the pediatric spay/neuters - reasons for not doing so may be financial, though.
We used to adopt out on a spay contract....the spay was even covered under the adoption fee..they just needed to take the kitten to the vet by the date we supplied. Unfortunately we found that even with our best efforts...we had kittens that would come back to us pregnant. A cat can become as early as 4 months of age...leaving a 2 month window for escape/oops pregnancies. I have also found that financial reinbursement does not increase the chance of compliance. What exactly is the compliance rate of the agency you are working with?? I'd be interested as I have read as low as a 60% compliance on a spay contract. I'm also curious about the "binding contract"...if they do not hear back, do they go and take the cat back?? What if the person has moved?? What if they gave the kitten to someone else?? Too many open ended questions for me to ever feel comfortable with handing over an intact kitten. We fix our kittens at 10-12 weeks and have not had a single problem.

Katie
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Liza24
i doubt it would interfer. the drug is mainly used as a pain reliever, and in cat that are IN labor, but its stalled, its used to stimulates contractions <snip> IF that didnt stimuate her to have contractions, then she isnt ready, maybe in a day or two. if she did implant late which happens, then she will go when she is ready, i think time to worry would be about 75 days. cause then you knwo even if she implanted late, she should have gone into labor by then.
Whoa! Oxytocin is NOT a pain reliever. It is a hormone that stimulates contractions (and milk production). When used in humans it requires close montioring of the patient (and baby) to be sure that overly strong/long contractions do not occur. It can cause uterine rupture at the worst case scenario. Trust me I did many a pitocin (Oxytocin/Pitocin same medicine) drip, we montiored the patients vital signs, frequency and quality/intensity of the contractions, and fetal heart rate, every 15 minutes. It is very, very powerful.

It is not to be used in a cat if a malpresentation is present, and if my cat did not respond (as happened once) I would request my vet to do a c/section (In my case, she delivered as they were preparing to do the c/section...she received several doses, at timed intervals).

I can see if you want to get a second opinion - I'd for sure request an xray to see if there is a kitten malpresenting, maybe request one more series of oxytocin shots and then to c/section if no contractions.

You risk the kittens by going into day 70 and over, those little placentas are not designed to last forever..no placenta, no kitten.

I must say that price tag for a c/section is far beyond any I have ever heard. I would have expected in the 400-600 range tops.
post #46 of 51
i misquoted, but i WAS right in saying that its for cats ALREADY in labor, so back off, people make MISTAKES
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by Liza24
i misquoted, but i WAS right in saying that its for cats ALREADY in labor, so back off, people make MISTAKES
Yeah they do, including me, all too often But I would want someone to correct me. This is an important topic, it's an important decision to be made. Please don't take my post (if you did) personally. Hard to take the teaching aspect out of a retired nurse.
post #48 of 51
i dont mind being corrected, not at all! but it just sounded belittling, so i struck back, sorry!
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Liza24
i dont mind being corrected, not at all! but it just sounded belittling, so i struck back, sorry!
I am sorry too...no intention to belittle. I always have had a habit of giving more information than some folks want (not saying you, just explaining why I went into details & my experience in using it with humans )
post #50 of 51
Thread Starter 
A few nights ago Terror had 5 healthy fat kittens. 1 light grey tiger, 1 orange, 1 darker tiger and 2 calicos. Thank you all for your help and concern. Terror is a great mom and loves her babies soooo much. She watches them while they nurse on her and she touches them with her paws.

THanks again
Cathy
post #51 of 51
Cathy,
Congratulations, I'm glad to hear she's delivered and that the kittens are doing well
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