? Oxytocin induction failed....HELP!!!!

I just love that spicy girl Habanaro! Thanks for posting that very sweet picture Katie.

Originally Posted by gayef

I just love that spicy girl Habanaro! Thanks for posting that very sweet picture Katie.

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And she loves you Gaye....you know it. I swear there is a little meezer somewhere deep, deep, deep inside her.

But I feel rude.. because this isn't my post...it's Cathy's..and that said....I hope you will let us know what happens in the next few days and whether you and your vet decide to induce or wait.

Katie

Gaye,
I sincerely apologize for my assumptions about you. You are correct....I do NOT know you. I "reacted" out of hurt - and I promise, in the future, that I will not do so again. Please know that I love my cat. I did not try to do anything wrong or irresponsible. I AM aware of overpopulation - I have volunteered in my local (no-kill) cat shelter. THAT is why I took the approach that I did.... In my preparation of the litter having homes. I would like to say that although there are MANY cats that are put to sleep on a daily basis and many abandoned animals....I, as a responsible pet owner should be able to breed my cat, keep one of her daughters and responsibly place the remaining kittens in homes of people that I have chosen and know personally. I very much want a kitten from my cat.
Because there are so many people out there that do not care about animals isn't reason enough for me not to be able to enjoy the offspring of my pet - which I love so very much. My kittens will not be in the shelter - I will now ensure that they are spayed and neutered (at my own expense) so that THEY may not EVER produce unwanted kittens. If nothing else - THAT information has been worth my visit here.
After reading the replies to this post - I CAN see...to a certain degree, much of what has been stated. But I will stand firmly on the fact that I will not feel guilty for planning everything well ahead of time so that my kittens would not be statistics....and now I can ensure that they won't ever PRODUCE statistics. The cats in the shelter - who are slated for "death row" WILL die - whether my cat has her 6 kittens or not. MY kittens will not be in the shelters - and that is what was needed before this mating took place.
After reading the posts to me here - I will not breed again.....or it is highly unlikely. I certainly do not wish to contribute to any tradegy. All I would ask is that you please respect the fact that I have a lot of time and love invested in my pet and I am very much looking forward to adding one of her daughters to our family - and I have given great thought, concern, money, care and time for the kittens that I will NOT be keeping as well.....and they aren't even here yet. Even if you do not agree with my "method" I seriously hope that you can see that my very best intentions were invested in this endeavor. Truly - I just want the best for her and her little hairballs. Please do not knock me for caring.

Cathy

Cathy,

After reading your reply above, I do feel the honest sincerity in your heart. I know that you love your cat. I truly was not saying that you don't. I also know that as a fellow Siamese-Meowmmy, we share a common bond. These blue-eyed babies can certainly wrap their little pointed paws around our hearts and hold on for dear life, can't they? *grin* It makes me very glad to know that your girl (what is her name, please?) will be spayed when the time comes and that you will be spaying/neutering your babies as well. It really is the right thing to do in these circumstances.

As a breeder, it would be unfair for me to say it is OK for me to breed but you can't. However, there are important differences in what we are each doing -- but I won't make an issue of it here. We are here to assist you if you want us to so long as you are a responsible, loving caregiver to your cats. In order to fill that description, you must demonstrate that responsibility, love and care by making the right choices and taking the appropriate measures for them by making sure they are spayed and neutered as soon as the cat's age, weight and overall health condition allow for it. And I feel confident that you will do that.

So, that all now being said ... Welcome to TCS and the Pregnant Cats and Kitten Care Forum. Even though we may have gotten off to a rocky start, I think you will find that we are a bunch of really good people. The regulars who take of their time to post their knowledge and/or personal experiences here deserve so much more credit than I am able to give. Perhaps, when you have placed your last kitten and your girl is comfortably healing from her spay, you can also be one of those angels here who provide your unique experience and knowledge to others.

I welcome the chance to get to know you. So, please feel free to PM me anytime - I check in frequently even if I am not posting much right now.

My cat has 2 names actually - "Mochie" and "Terror" She is full of energy and would hug the opening in the doorway and shimmy up....almost to the very top. It was around this time that I began to call her "Terror"
She has a Kleptomania problem...and I am SO not kidding. She only steals from me. It used to only be pens. She takes them from my pen jar off of my computer desk and hides them. Sometimes she hides them in my bed - usually under the couch or in one of her litter boxes....only THAT one, though.
Dozens of pens have never been found - although I was having some work done in the bedroom and a heat vent cover was removed from the floor and I'm pretty sure they must be in there -- as I am an immaculate cleaner.
I began only putting a few pens in my jar and putting them back as I found them...here and there. She only has 5 to work with at a time and it is a good number for both of us.
Last week she began stealing more "personal" items - on the base of her scratching pole was my watch (NOT a cheap watch!!) 2 individually wrapped lifesavers, a PEN (Of course) a store receipt and a post-it note.
Any idea why my cat steals form me???? I've never heard of a Klepto Kitty before - and had she begun this behavior earlier in her life I would have told you that her name was "Klepto" But she didn't start doing it until she was about 10 months old.
I would love to put up a picture of the little Mochie-Terror-Klepto kitty - I just don't know how to do it. I am seriously hoping that she does NOT teach the little ones how to steal - THAT would be very poor parenting!!
She is pretty cute....sometimes she brings me a few pieces of dry cat food and leaves them by my computer chair - and then the next second she is ripping me off ...right under my nose. She doesn't care much if I am watching or not...she just takes the pen and goes and hides it. I learned on the FIRST instance with the watch not to leave it on my computer desk again...in fact - I don't leave anything that I do not wish to loose on my desk anymore.

Any ideas why my kitty is a theif??? Any cats ever steal your stuff???

Cathy

Originally Posted by Liza24

i doubt it would interfer. the drug is mainly used as a pain reliever, and in cat that are IN labor, but its stalled, its used to stimulate harder contractions. IF that didnt stimuate her to have contractions, then she isnt ready, maybe in a day or two. if she did implant late which happens, then she will go when she is ready, i think time to worry would be about 75 days. cause then you knwo even if she implanted late, she should have gone into labor by then.

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I think you're confusing oxycodone with oxytocin. Oxycodone is the opioid pain reliever, and oxytocin is the hormone... it can stimulate both lactation andn uterine contraction in humans and cats, and it plays a role in many other things for humans as well.

Hope that helps.

Originally Posted by LabRat

Thank you Lisa for your response.....that makes me feel a bit better!!!! My concern at this point also is....where she was given the Oxytocin (TWICE) is it a MUST that she deliver the kittens within a certain amount of time - and also having been given the oxytocin, will that interfere with a normal delivery days from now??? I searched the internet for over 2 hours looking for answers to these 2 questions and found nothing. I was hoping that someone here has had experience or good knowledge of Oxytocin.

Thanks again
Cathy

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In humans, oxytocin has a relatively short half life (less then 8 hours, I think, I'd have to look it up), but I don't know about cats. It shouldn't hurt anything, it may well be all metabolized and gone by tomorrow, and if anything, it should help her milk start to drop.

Garfield stole my glasses one time. I was in the tub, and my glasses were on the back of the toilet. He took them, jumped to the floor, then up onto the counter where there was a bowl of water. He put my glasses into the bowl of water!

I have no idea how he managed this, let alone why. Thankfully, he doesn't steal often. But I guess he had a little Mochie in him that day.

Becky,
WTG Garfield!!!!! I have been in touch with Mochie's Vet twice today. She went in first thing this morning for a check-up. Vet. took her temp (Still no drop) and observed her and all that good stuff - kittens are still very actively moving around and Mochie is calm and quiet. Vet is comfortable waiting for labor to come on it's own and we will keep a close eye on her for the coming days. She is happy with Mochie's physical health and may want to see her again tomorrow.
It has been very hot here and is wondering if she will ever get an accurate temp on her - said not to worry too much and told me to GET SOME SLEEP!!!

Wow, my male cat steals too! He will do it usually at night and the way he carries it wmakes it seem like he just hunted down the biggest juiciest mouse or something! But what he takes are Polly Pocket dolls and their clothing!
I take them away and put them on the computer desk and just yesterday my daughter took all 7 of them along with 13 peices of clothing, back to her room. We always have a collection on the computer desk of these dolls!

Your story about Terror stealing your stuff cracked me up. Mine do it too, but they work together. It's the weirdest thing. Anything, and I do mean anything that I leave on the kitchen counter would dissapear. They were very sneaky about it too. I would take home a bunch of groceries, and leave the non-perrishable groceries on the counter, and the next day ask myself why I forgot to buy garlic again, or why I was so sure I had purchased a new dishbrush but didn't take it home. One morning I came down the stairs and found a can of soup on the stairs. Without thinking any more of it, every day I started noticing random things on the stairs. Then my clothes started dissapearing. My favorite shirt was gone, and I started to think I was going crazy.

So one day as I was cleaning my guest bathroom, I noticed a sock poking out of the bath tub. I pulled back the shower curtain to find a massive soup of stuff made up of all these things that had gone missing. It was crazy! Whole cans of soup (don't ask me how they got it in there), bags, paper towels (shredded to bits of course), spices from the spice rack, kitchen utensils, clothes, dog toys, razor heads (they must have picked these out of the garbage in our bathroom). I just started laughing so hard. I left everything in there for my boyfriend to see when he came home.

Even after cleaning it up, they kept bringing stuff up there. I just had to add that bathtub to my list of things to clean often. Then one day, I made my usual tin-foil ball toy for them, and left the house. I came back and went to my office and I hear the most god-awful noise like someone is banging down a wall next door. It took me about 5 minutes to realize the noise was coming from inside the house. I followed the noise to the guest bathtub and found all the things they had stollen were sitting outside the tub in a pile, and Paris and Cairo were in the tub with the foil ball bouncing all over the place. I guess they found a more exciting use for the bathtub!

This may be an interesting topic for the behavior forum....So sorry I got off topic with my Klepto cat post here!!! It's nice to know that others have theives amongst them!!!! I thought that it was a 'behavioral defect' in my Terror - I had never had a cat that stole things before. I wonder what the significance is and I also wonder why she only steals MY stuff. Even my boyfriend had a pen jar and she NEVER took any of his!! She doesn't steal from my daughter - I am the lucky one!!!
Keeping close watch on my watch and jewelry!!!!! She doesn't SEEM steal money - but that isn't to say that one day I might just find a fortune in bills shoved in a corner somewhere!

Crazy beasts!!!!!

Tahnks for the stories!
Cathy

Originally Posted by Cairo

So one day as I was cleaning my guest bathroom, I noticed a sock poking out of the bath tub. I pulled back the shower curtain to find a massive soup of stuff made up of all these things that had gone missing. It was crazy! Whole cans of soup (don't ask me how they got it in there), bags, paper towels (shredded to bits of course), spices from the spice rack, kitchen utensils, clothes, dog toys, razor heads (they must have picked these out of the garbage in our bathroom). I just started laughing so hard. I left everything in there for my boyfriend to see when he came home.

Even after cleaning it up, they kept bringing stuff up there. I just had to add that bathtub to my list of things to clean often. Then one day, I made my usual tin-foil ball toy for them, and left the house. I came back and went to my office and I hear the most god-awful noise like someone is banging down a wall next door. It took me about 5 minutes to realize the noise was coming from inside the house. I followed the noise to the guest bathtub and found all the things they had stollen were sitting outside the tub in a pile, and Paris and Cairo were in the tub with the foil ball bouncing all over the place. I guess they found a more exciting use for the bathtub!

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That is just wild! I must say, though, that at TCS I have learned that tin-foil balls aren't safe for kitties. Sometimes they will bite a piece off and swallow it. My Festie loves crinkle balls, and I'm sure she would love a tin foil ball, but I won't give it to her.

I know my kitties steal toys, too. They love Polly Pockets!

Our cat Ralphie used to steal my daughters small stuffed bears. He would steal them and put them under the bed. Once in a while he would carry them out in the livingroom. He looked like a momma kitty carrying a baby.

Heavens yes! Mika steals keys. I have to be sure to close my purse or my keys will be missing in the morning.

We had a Siamese/Himalayan mix boy before our beloved Bijou and he was so cute. Our daughter had a collection of beanie babies and one day he took one of his favourite's off her dresser and dragged it out of her room. My mom (who lived with us until her passing) saw him and said, "Simba, you can't have that" so she took it back in the room. A little while later she saw him coming out of our daughter's room again with it, she said, "Simba, you go put that back". You guessed it. He took the beanie baby back in our daughter's room, jumped up on the dresser and put it back, then he came skulking out.

I'll be waiting impatiently to see pictures of your kitty (and her babies too I hope).

I once had a very beloved and special Meezer girl ... anyway, she was a klepto-kitty. To this day, I still find little stashes of her perloined booty: one of a pair of earrings I thought I had lost, hairclips, a pair of reading glasses, balled up ciggie packs, and what I found to be the strangest item, a picture of me holding her with the corners chewed off. I miss that cat more than I can handle some days. *sigh*

My current girl, Lexus is absolutely incorrigable. My good friend Tricia comes over every Thursday morning for coffee and a vist - we sit at my kitchen table and Tricia normally leaves her pocketbook on the floor by her chair. Well, Lex slinks in as only a Siamese can do and sticks her entire head right into Tricia's pocketbook, takes out whatever she fancies and runs off with it for parts unknown. LOL So now, Tricia will slip a "Lexus Prize" into her bag when she knows she is coming by just. Lex still sticks her big head into the bag and takes the Prize, but at least we aren't chasing her down trying to retrieve whatever other things she took ... Cats. What would we do without them???

As someone who has done a LOT of rescue work I can see her point. I have lurked here a while, and I don't think that anyone here thinks that purebreds are more valuable or worthwhile than mixes, but millions of mixed-breed cats, dogs, kittens and puppies are euthanized every year, as well as a fair number of purebreds. If every cat or dog owner decided to let their pet have a litter before getting them fixed, can you imagine how high that number would be? It's not personal, but right now the number of kittens and puppies being born far exceeds the available homes for them. It is a sick, sick feeling when you have all the fosters you can handle and then some, and someone calls you because they just found three puppies or kittens that will have to go to the pound, where they euthanize 95% of what comes in, if you don't help - but you can't. I have been there, and it hurts.

Originally Posted by possumstew

As someone who has done a LOT of rescue work I can see her point. I have lurked here a while, and I don't think that anyone here thinks that purebreds are more valuable or worthwhile than mixes, but millions of mixed-breed cats, dogs, kittens and puppies are euthanized every year, as well as a fair number of purebreds. If every cat or dog owner decided to let their pet have a litter before getting them fixed, can you imagine how high that number would be? It's not personal, but right now the number of kittens and puppies being born far exceeds the available homes for them. It is a sick, sick feeling when you have all the fosters you can handle and then some, and someone calls you because they just found three puppies or kittens that will have to go to the pound, where they euthanize 95% of what comes in, if you don't help - but you can't. I have been there, and it hurts.

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I've been there too...which is why I'm so glad that our rescue spays/neuters all the kittens and cats before they go to homes. That way...those cats will not contribute to the overpopulation.

Katie

Originally Posted by Beckiboo

That is just wild!

I must say, though, that at TCS I have learned that tin-foil balls aren't safe for kitties. Sometimes they will bite a piece off and swallow it. My Festie loves crinkle balls, and I'm sure she would love a tin foil ball, but I won't give it to her.

I know my kitties steal toys, too. They love Polly Pockets!

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Oh wow! I didn't know foil balls were not safe. Are crinkle balls the ones you get in the store, and look like christmas decorations? Are those safe? Funny thing is my cats love full sized tennis balls. And if I throw one in the house for Moscow, Paris beats him to it and starts attacking him if he even thinks about taking from her.

I've always been told that a cat should not be given oxytocin injections until after labor has begun and preferably after at least one kitten has been born. I've been told it can cause the uterus to rupture if strong contractions result with the cervix not being open enough yet?

I had a queen that had to have oxytocin injections during queening many years ago, she had already delivered 6 and was having difficulty with the last two. It was a huge litter for a siamese, and only 5 out of 8 made it unfrotunately, but I remember it vividly... middle of the night, emergency vet trip etc. That queen was spayed as soon as that litter was weaned as well.