Royal Canin

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A great cat food to try is made by Royal Canin, called Feline Nutrition. Many foods address life stages (such as kitten, adult, mature, etc) and special needs (such as for obese cats), but NO ONE else addresses specific breeds and life styles. A complete line features: Baby Cat (coming soon), Kitten, Adult, Indoor, Outdoor (coming soon), Persian, Mature, Senior, Slim, Hair & Skin, and Special. All use only natural preservatives and are guaranteed nutritionally complete. For more info check out the website: http://www.feline-nutrition.com/ or call toll-free 1-800-592-6687.
 

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Yes - I agree. Royal Canin is the best food I've found. Since feeding it to my cats there have been no upset stomachs.

Also - most importantly with Persians, no furballs and lovely sleek, shiny coats.

And as punkchick says - they have a food type to suit every cat. This is very important as one of my cats has FIV.

The company has recently been bought by one of the 'big' players and I do hope they don't compromise the quality and variety of their food for the sake of commercialism.
 

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This is a food I have really wanted to try. The 1st 2 ingredients in the normal adult stage food are great, but it has a lot of corn in it, I like to stay away from that if possible. However it has a low fat content which is good for cats that tend to put on access weight, or that arn't as active as other cats, with out the need to go onto a 'lite' diet, which often robs an animal of the meaty protiens.

That and the food is still out of my price range
 

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Originally posted by AngelzOO
The 1st 2 ingredients in the normal adult stage food are great, but it has a lot of corn in it, I like to stay away from that if possible.
Angelzoo,
Not sure if you realize this but Im thinking Pro Plan may actually have more corn in it than Royal Canin.

Royal Canin Adult has
Chicken meal
brewers rice
corn gluten meal
chicken
corn
chicken fat
pea fiber

Pro Plan Chicken & Rice has
Chicken
brewers rice
corn gluten meal
poultry by-product meal
wheat flour
beef tallow
whole grain corn
 

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I was feeding my cats Royal Canin Adult and Senior formulas. The problem is they were eating way too much because they liked it so much, especially the senior. I have a 9 month old that got hooked on the senior and she's now a butterball. I stopped buying it and have switched to ProPlan, Science Diet and Iams. They eat all of these very well, but don't make pigs of themselves.

I have to leave food out all the time because I have some old and sickly cats that I like to leave food out for all the time. And as a result some of the others are overeating. It's a catch 22 situation.

Royal canin is a great food for anyonw who want to try it.
 

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Originally posted by Patsy
I have a 9 month old that got hooked on the senior and she's now a butterball.

We have a cat that has come down of the need for insulin with the use of high protein foods. One of the products we feed him to augment the PurinaDM is Royal Canin Slim. It is one food that is approved by a group on the net that advocate feeding carnivores the equivalent of what they would be hunting in the wild. The other product they tend to prefer is a product called Pro Pac that can be found on the web to find your local supplier, and the other product that our fussy cats really like, (kept away from the overweight diabetic), is Eagle Pack.

Pat
 

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Nem:

I don't know which one has more corn per say. I do realize that Pro Plan has some corn in it, but for the buck, Pro Plan was cheaper, and the way the ingredients are arranged isn't always the same as human food, aka the first ingredient on the list doesn't mean thats what is mostly contained in the food, and so on and so forth as you go down the list.

I'd love to elaborate more on this but unfortunatly the other day, I erased all of "my documents" and lost over 7 months of nutrition research and the new list of cat food comparisons which I just made
 

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Originally posted by AngelzOO
the way the ingredients are arranged isn't always the same as human food, aka the first ingredient on the list doesn't mean thats what is mostly contained in the food
With the ingredients being listed in descending order by weight chicken may weigh more before the moisture is removed putting it at the top of the list but once the water is removed from the chicken in the Pro Plan it probably brings it down lower on the list bringing corn gluten meal higher. With chicken meal (as in the Royal Canin)the water is already removed which is why I was thinking that the Pro Plan may have more corn in it. It was just a thought.

P.S. Im very sorry to hear that you lost all of your documents, especially 7 months worth. I had this happen to me before and it really sucked.
 

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I was feeding my two cats Royal Canin(Senior)I had just recently changed over to Bench and Field.They have a new brand out called Holistic Natural Feline.I'm into herbal and holistic care for animals and it sickens me to see all the bad stuff they put in cat foods.I have a website where I put information on different diseases and how and what herbs to administer.www.benchandfield.com The ingredients in the holistic natural feline are very good.
 

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Originally posted by nern

With chicken meal (as in the Royal Canin)the water is already removed which is why I was thinking that the Pro Plan may have more corn in it.

The products are listed in a consistant order so that one can always find the nutrient most important in the selection and compare more easily -- at least to my understanding.

On a group list this morning we were discussing the topic of by-products and rendered foods which is something I have learned to have a rather biased slant on lately.

I live far too close to where someone has been bumping off about 50 or so of the local street ladies and the forensic team is now looking for DNA on clothing that is buried over a large site. They are very much playing down the fact that the 'gentleman' who lived on the property had a wood chipper and supplied a local rendering plant on a very regular basis, all during the time the women went missing.

Anyone who believes that "by-products" or "meal" are good for their pets should be reading the book by Ann Martin, (I think that is her name), called, "Food Pets Die For". There is a second book out that I haven't had time to look at, however, I did not hesitate to buy it as my boys mean a great deal to me.

One of the lists at Yahoo, (CATWELL), has several very learned individuals who have looked at many foods very carefully and Pro Plan has a definite thumbs down. Pro Pac is another matter, however Royal Canin is one other on their list that contains good quality food along with no toxic chemicals or poisonous material, that will eventually build up in your pet's system and cause serious health problems.

Eg.....the pea fiber aids digestion in Royal Canin that you have listed, and the chicken fat is the correct source of fat for feline carnivores. However, this is not recommended by this group, but Royal Canin Slim is.
Pro Plan Chicken & Rice has wheat products, and beef tallow, both of which I will not choose for my boys. One of them gets diarrhea every time he eats any beef product, let alone "tallow". You make candles and soap with that, not eat it.

As for food comparison's, there is a short list of popular canned and dry foods at the following website that might interest you:

Food Tables
Cat Food General Calculations
http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson

and another site I seem to remember has useful information is the following:

Practical Feline Nutrition
Article on determining nutritional value of processed foods.
<http://www.bestfriends.org/members/health/catnutr.htm>

On the site for my own group, the files section is open to anyone with access to Yahoo and there are a couple of items in the "Files" section that are helpful in calculating calories, and percentages of nutrient content, etc.

Having said all that, what is counted as protein or other nutrients in "by-product" or "meal" may contain a lot of other items, other than the listed product on the pet food label.

Pat
 

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Originally posted by DiabeticCatsDM
The products are listed in a consistant order so that one can always find the nutrient most important in the selection and compare more easily -- at least to my understanding.
Im confused on what you mean by this? The link that you posted
Practical Feline Nutrition states "Legally, ingredients must be listed in decreasing order of weight."

Out of curiousity, may I ask what you feed?
Thanks for the links also.
 

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Originally posted by nern


>Im confused on what you mean by this? The link that you posted
>Practical Feline Nutrition states "Legally, ingredients must >be listed in decreasing order of weight."

They know better than I do, so I guess my assumptions are incorrect, however, they do happen to end up in the same positions on all the different labels, which is what has counted for me.

>Out of curiousity, may I ask what you feed?

Our diabetic cat is getting a small portion of Purina DM, 57% protein, and the rest is Royal Canin Slim 57. We had to move him gradually to the Purina as the richness was a problem for him, and he also put back the weight we had managed to get off him when we brought him down off the need for insulin. We are having to balance the high protein diet with the lowest calorie portions we can.

The other two cats are getting whatever they will eat, which is what I see as the garbage Adult Royal Canin, (they like and I am not happy), Eagle Pack, and the one we call "Mr Sensitive and Fussy", with regard to his food, naturally gets Royal Canin Sensitive and Fussy -- at his adamant request when he is in the mood. The other cat has renal lymphosarcoma, (about 3 or 4 more months prognosis). Both of those boys also get a small portion of Fancy Feast, (what our vet calls McDonald's food), as a control to keep them close to home at predictable times. We have tried mixing healthier foods into the Fancy Feast, however, as one cat has little time left, we feel we can't ruin his enjoyment of junk food, which is better for his weak kidneys, anyway.

By the way, Eagle Pack is rejected in some circles as well, as it has alfalfa in it along with chicory and cranberry, all of which are suspect, according to the purists.

>Thanks for the links also.
Happy to help, and to learn, myself.....

Pat and all the boys
 

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This is a very timely and interesting thread. I have three cats, one of which has only been with me for the last two months, the other two are now three years old and have been with me since kittens.

I have fed the adults virtually all the premium food I can get here such as Iams and Science Diets and they were constantly throwing up, I even tried the science diet Hairball formula and that seemed to make it even worst. I decided to try the Royal Canin about 8 months ago and we haven't barfed since. The only problem now is that the new girl was a feral and she eats the stuff like there is no tomorrow, she has ballooned in two months. I'm thinking of maybe trying the Royal Canin Slim, as all the cats are indoor cats and don't get enough exercise. It really has been the best food I've tried so far, and after reading this tread the "overweight' issue now makes sense. It's really great food.

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Originally posted by Munchie
>The only problem now is that the new girl was a feral and she eats >the stuff like there is no tomorrow, she has ballooned in two >months. I'm thinking of maybe trying the Royal Canin Slim, as all >the cats are indoor cats and don't get enough exercise.

When we took our diabetic cat in, he had been a stray for two years. (No one was sure he didn't have a home until he was badly wounded and not being attended to). Several of us left food out for him, however the raccoons figured this out and would often get to it before him. We were told, when we took him to a late night hospital for 'repairs' that took a couple of operations, that there was a definite chance he would become diabetic because of the sporadic feeding schedule he had while doing his little route around the area.

>It really has been the best food I've tried so far, and after >reading this tread the "overweight' issue now makes sense. It's >really great food.

I wish we had the wisdom to take the threat of diabetes more seriously when we took him in, as it would have saved him, and us, a lot of stress, (not to mention money), and probably a shortened life span.

Pat
 

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Nern: Yeah, thats the other real down side to any dry food is after its cooked there isn't much of the good products such as meat to be had. But if anyone takes enough time to dive into nutrition research you'll pretty much learn that every food has is bad quirks.

All the more reason why someday I think I'll turn to a RAW diet.


DiabeticCats: I think I'm actually on that CatWell list, I'm aware that Pro Plan isn't a 'great' food, but much better than some, unfortunatly only a few days after I started my cats on Pro Plan did I start hearing people say that its a horrible food and has caused many problems, I still don't know what these are, no one has been able to tell me! Its all just hear say. So perhaps I will ask the CatWell group.


Traditionally I would have never considered Pro Plan, the 2 top ones I wanted to try cost to much, the next 2 I could not find in an area near me. I would have to pay at least $5+ extra to have it shipped to me. I stayed up all night long racking my brain with comparisons between many foods to single out which was the best one I could get my hands on, and could afford. (course thats the chart thats all gone now, *shoots herself in the foot*)
I also did the same exact thing with ferret food, DOH!
 

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Originally posted by DiabeticCatsDM
By the way, Eagle Pack is rejected in some circles as well, as it has alfalfa in it along with chicory and cranberry, all of which are suspect, according to the purists.
Suspect to what? Is it a Holoistic Chat that is rejecting these ingredients? What brands do they like other than Royal Canin Slim?
 
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