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post #61 of 76
I don't like the whole tone of the coverage, either. Why criticize personal conduct, rather than policies (cf. Clinton and Lewinsky)? My impression was that Bush acted impulsively. It was ill-advised, seeing as she's the first female German Chancellor, and people expect her to be as "dignified" as Thatcher, and to try to keep her personal life out of politics (her husband maintains a very low public profile). However, Bush seemed to be acting spontaneously, so why is this "news"? Israel might be moving into Lebanon within the next 24 hours, North Korea is being as unpredictable as ever, Iran's president has revealed himself to be a Nazi in a personal letter to Merkel, not for the first time, and Afghanistan, Iraq, the Congo, and Somalia are absolutely chaotic.
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by jcat
Now this was getting a bit too personal: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/interne....ap/index.html
The President of Taiwan had to kiss a lot of African leaders (literally) because of African tradition.

Should rubs are common where I live. I don't think it is serious.

The video is only 5 seconds long anyway.
post #63 of 76
What's the big deal? I don't disagree with what he said about Hezbollah one bit. I bet Bush is just glad his language is diverting attention from some of the many truly bad things that he's done during his time in office.
post #64 of 76
Hey i think thats funny!! It just goes to show he's human and gets frustrated,,,,
Like we all do.
But I think its funny that the mic was left on so long.....Wouldn't surprise me if blair left the mic on on purpose....after all it takes a bit of heat off him eh?

Seriously though I quite like George dubbya Bush he's funny....and I don't think he has a speech impediment.....I think he just likes to make sure of what he's saying.
Unlike the bulls droppings that blairs cronies come out with
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
Wow. Do they have sexual harrassment seminars for presidents?
But yea, showing that all over is more embarassing to your chancellor than to the prez. And she could certainly do something, but I don't need to see it. Over and over.

I wish the news would use this "let's attack the president" energy to actually do something politically wise for our country. Like make a big stink about how he personaly blocked the Justice dept from investigating the NSA spying program. Which is illegal. But no, we have to watch him skeeve out the German chancellor and curse at UN meetings instead.
Do you REALLY think this is sexual harassment? For Heaven's sakes, a 5 second rubbing of the shoulders in front of millions is sexual harassment.

Poor Bush.
post #66 of 76
Thread Starter 
I don't necessarily think it's sexual harrassment, and like I said, it's the German Chancellor's responsibility to tell him what he did was unwelcome if she wants to (from her face you can tell it was pretty unwelcome!)
I just said "don't they have sexual harrassment seminars?" because every time I've been made to go to one there's always a boss in it that gives shoulderrubs to the scared-looking female employee as an example. To me, it just looked like the example of "what not to do" that's in all those cheesy videos.
I also think that most of the stuff in those videos is ridiculous. One that I saw said the only appropriate place to touch someone was their handor upper arm in a handshake. People should just know each other's boundaries.
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
I wish the news would use this "let's attack the president" energy to actually do something politically wise for our country. Like make a big stink about how he personaly blocked the Justice dept from investigating the NSA spying program. Which is illegal. But no, we have to watch him skeeve out the German chancellor and curse at UN meetings instead.
I agree. And I think the furor over demeanor is okay - it does show the logic in calling him a "stupid idiot" which ISN'T an oxymoron - a "stupid idiot" is one who is too slow to realize they're incompetent for the job. I know plenty of honest-to-goodness "idiots" (no offense intended to those of low I.Q., they are better than I am in so many ways, despite my given advantages) who, if offered to be President would swiftly decline the offer, realizing right away that they aren't equipped to "run with the big dogs"
post #68 of 76
Let me see, what was it my mother told me I should never discuss in the company of many individuals ??? Hmmmm, was it Religion, Politics and ?, I forget .... maybe it was sex ?

Anyway - this "rule" is still good because people get offended & have hurt feelings over something like this - I know I was.

This is just their opinion, and something that people will disagree over.

Sorry that some people feel the need to be "overly expressive" on something that is so divisive.

Gloria
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Do you REALLY think this is sexual harassment? For Heaven's sakes, a 5 second rubbing of the shoulders in front of millions is sexual harassment.

Poor Bush.
What surprises me is that he would feel comfortable doing that - most rural country gentlemen know that only a handshake is permissible, and that only if the lady offers her hand. It goes along with taking off one's hat inside and excusing oneself from the table to blow one's nose. But is it SEXUAL HARRASSMENT??? Maybe bad form, and ignorant, but certainly not threatening or intimidating - this publicity, IMO, is akin to calling an alley cat a mountain lion, and it is ridiculous!
post #70 of 76
Thread Starter 
I'm sorry you are offended by my thread, Gloria. That is why I put in the IMO forum and not any of the other forums. I don't understand what was said that hurt your feelings personally, but if I said it I'm sorry.
If you are often offended by discussions of politics, religion, and sex, then maybe you shouldn't read the posts in this forum as that's what they're usually about. I know alot of other members who feel the same way you do and they just don't read the threads people post in IMO where those of us who enjoy debate post personal opinions. I have to admit, sometimes I have to take a break from IMO as well...
post #71 of 76
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
I'm sorry you are offended by my thread, Gloria. That is why I put in the IMO forum and not any of the other forums. I don't understand what was said that hurt your feelings personally, but if I said it I'm sorry.
If you are often offended by discussions of politics, religion, and sex, then maybe you shouldn't read the posts in this forum as that's what they're usually about. I know alot of other members who feel the same way you do and they just don't read the threads people post in IMO where those of us who enjoy debate post personal opinions. I have to admit, sometimes I have to take a break from IMO as well...
Thanks, no, it wasn't something you said. Funny, after I made my post, I realized this probably wasn't the Forum for me.

Not really knowing what this forum was about, I kinda just stumbled into it - ssshhhh, I'm not here anymore, I'll close the door gently.

Thanks for your kind offer of apology, though it's unnecessary from you, it's much appreciated.

Gloria
post #72 of 76
This thread sure went "south" quickly. How in the world did it go from just asking an opinion about the president's slip of the "s" word to sexual harrassment. Everyone keep their pants on. Bush won't be President forever and for all of you who don't like him, you will get your chance again to vote for whoever you want to.
post #73 of 76
Thread Starter 
Nobody's talking about sexual harrassment. I made a joke about how what he did looks exactly like the corny what-not-to-do scene in all the videos they make you watch when you have a job. Because it does look exactly like it.

We will get a chance to vote again soon enough, I suppose. But, what will happen between now and then? And, when I vote for the governor of my state, will he rig the elections like he did last time for Bush? The man is a candidate for governor AND the head of the elections. Hopefully that will be considered illegal like it should be, but there is lots of evidence that he personally skewed some results and prevented people from registering to vote. (Please notice I am not saying that Bush did this). And what state "won" the election for Bush, just like Kenneth Blackwell wanted it to? Ohio. No republican president has ever won the presidency without carrying Ohio. Both candidates visited dozens of times. There is plenty of evidence suggesting that Bush would have lost if the election was conducted fairly with the goal of having everyone who wanted to vote be able to vote. But it was not.

So as for being able to vote soon enough, sure. If you are not living in a minority-dense area, or a precinct purposefully overpopulated with voters and underpopulated with machines. Or if they don't "lose" your votes, like all the taxis in Cleveland that were hired to deliver them that never did...

I do believe that everyone's vote counts... but it seems like it has counted more these past few elections if you were voting for the "right" person.
post #74 of 76
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Originally Posted by squirtle
He and Tony Blair were having a private conversation. I don't think it was a big deal that he used an obscenity. The meeting wasn't in session at that moment and the conversation was not meant for our ears. The word he used wasn't even the worst one out there I personally find it funny. Reporters are so sneaky and I really think there are times when privacy should be respected.
I definitely agree. He's a person. He was having a private conversation. It's not like he said it while speaking to the public.

I think people get too crazy jumping on him over little things.
post #75 of 76
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Originally Posted by StarryEyedTiGeR
I'm personally sick of hearing everyone complaining about Bush! It was a private converstion while they were eating their food. So out of curiosity, i'm wondering just how many of you that are writing on this thread actually voted in the 2000 election? If you did, and you exercised your privledge to vote, then that's awesome! But if you didn't and you were of legal voting age, then you need to chill out- you have no right to complaine about the current US president if you didn't vote and you were of legal voting age. I personally voted- as a matter of fact i voted early, because i wanted to be sure i took advantage of the privledge i had to vote that other people had laid down their lives to give me. So out of curiosity, how many of you complaining actually voted?
I agree totally with this.

I didn't vote in the 2000 election..it was my first year of college and I didn't feel like I was informed enough to make a decision...but I voted in the next one and helped re-elect him into office.
post #76 of 76
I think 2008 is not that far away. It seems like yesterday was 2001. Time passes quickly. Bush would leave office at the perfect time...no sooner and no later.
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