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Hind Foot Lac - includes a problem!

post #1 of 17
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Ok, so Holy Drama, Batman!
We had an eventful day at my house today.... this may be a bit long, but please read!

So my mom and I came home this afternoon and we were in the kitchen with Ollie... he was laying on the floor by the storm and sliding glass doors, watched my mom open the storm door and step out to throw a plastic water bottle into the recycle; she didn't even close the door, just stepped out with one foot - Oliver watched her the whole time.... when she turned and came back in, he FREAKED!

He jumped straight in the air and like scaled the partially open sliding glass door (the screen door was pulled all the way shut), came down on the door tracking, tried to gain traction on the vynal floor (it was like a cartoon) and then bolted upstairs to my room.... we have NO idea what spooked him!

So I went upstairs to calm him. I held him until his heart rate slowed and then set him on the floor (I was sitting on the floor), when he took a step, I saw blood. So I picked him up again and held him like a baby (his favorite hold position) and saw he had a laceration on one of his toe pads, kinda right where it meets the base of the paw.... so I called up my mom (didnt wanna set him down and have him hide) and had her get my styptic powder from his bag - yeah, THAT went over well I assume it stings (never tried it on my own cuts) - the bleeding temporarily stopped.

After a few more steps though, he started bleeding again, more than the first time - so out came the pet first aid kit. My goal was to clean it up, get antibiotic ointment on it and wrap it long enough to clot up pretty well. Well if this wasn't an adventure - I've been a kennel nurse before and knew what I was doing, but he was much less than cooperative, so it was very difficult. My mom was helping, but she doesnt really have experience and even though I told her she cant hurt him by scruffing, I knew she was afraid she would. Anyhow, I eventually got gauze with ointment and that sticky wrap stuff (the wrap where you dont need tape) on the foot and I let him up. He hopped around some and I thought we were in the clear.

I was wrong. He ran under my desk onto the plastic carpet protector under my chair. He got the wrap off and started licking, then "chomp" I knew he had ripped off scab and skin (sorry, graphic, I know!) and there was gushing. I didn't freak but knew we needed the vet ASAP. So I scruffed him to keep him from licking more and keep him on the plastic, which resulted in him rolling in his puddle of blood (yeah, he had a bath last nite, ugh ). So I called the vet and told them we were coming in and why and I hastily wrapped the foot in gauze and sticky wrap again, just hoping we'd make it to the vet without gushing in the car. I got him wiped down, harnessed, crated and to the vet and luckily the vet we always see and are friends with, Dr. Kathy, was right behind the desk when we got there and she took us.

So it turns out to be a pretty decent lac. He didn't need stitches, but she glued the skin together (like they do after declaws, boo - to declaws, not skin glue, lol). She will always go homeopathic before drugs and knows my family agrees with that idea. So she injected him IM with Traumeel (I believe that's what it's called - even when I worked for her I couldnt read her writing very well, haha): it's meant to realive pain, reduce inflamation and calm (side note: this whole thing had him EXTREMELY stressed - I was more worried about that than the lac). She also gave me tablets of the same to be diluted in water and given orally and put in his water. He's naturally on Clavamox too (esp since he's FIV+).

So after all that, he's also in an E collar cuz we knew he wouldnt leave the foot alone. So the poor baby is walkin around all mellowed out, trying to back out of the E collar (he has started walking foward though, so he's getting the hang). My plan is to give him periodic breaks from the E collar, under STRICT supervision of course, so he can eat, drink, have a break.... here's the problem: I brought him up to bed tonite and he hopped into the potty box (I had to take the hood off cuz he wont fit through the door with the E collar) scratched around some and hopped out - I KNEW he had to poo. So I removed the collar and plopped him in the box... he immediately pooed. A little later, he got in with the collar and peed. Well, I'm worried that he won't use the box for pooing correctly with the collar on (aka, while I'm sleeping or out) and I dont want gastrointestinal or behavioral problems to come of this. I think the problem with pooing and not peeing is cuz he's a crazy digger before and after pooing and he cant do that with the E collar (he has to sniff and dig at the same time).... ANY IDEAS, THOUGHTS, EXPERIENCES?!

Ugh, I'm sorry this is so long, but I wanted to explain fully. I know he'll be fine and recover, etc so I'm not worried, just stressed that my baby is in pain (not to mention knocking into everything with the E collar!).... thanks in advance for your input and vibes!
post #2 of 17
Wow what an ordeal. Did you ever figure out what could have freaked him out?

If he peed with it on he will probably soon start to go with it on too. Eventually he will have to go bad enough that he will. Just watch if he does hold it in for more then a day or two because I think that is a bad thing.

On a side note, why is he always on Clavamox because he is FIV+? I never heard of a cat always being on meds for that? I would think it is like a person that takes painkillers too much. Eventually he will just become immune to what you are giving him and you will have to keep increasing it.
post #3 of 17
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Still no clue what freaked him out! Poor thing just wants to curl up with me and thats hard with a lampshade on his head!

As for the Clavamox, I meant "especially since he's FIV+" to mean: he's FIV+ so his immune system is compromised and he must be on an antibiotic with a lac. It's only the second time he's been on it.... he was on it in 2004 for a URI

He's walking aronud a little better with the E collar this morning.... I just put it back on now after a little break for some kibble (he could reach into the bowl with it on, but I guess its just weird to him). I always give him good neck scritchies when I take the collar off and I get lots of purrs in return. I'm sure he'll do his pooin sometime during collar breaks. I just plopped him in, but he didnt hafta go. I know he can hold it for a decent bit and readily will (he didnt like the door flap on his litter box when I first bought it and held it all nite!), so hopefully the collar breaks will help.

Geesh! Shall be an interesting week here!
post #4 of 17
Poor thing! Good luck both of you, and feel better soon Olly!
post #5 of 17
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Thanks! he's gettin a handle on things already today - doing much better with the E collar: figured out how to get his paws up on the window he looks out with it on, isnt bumping into things as much, can hop up and down from his spots, and only walks backeards occasionally... he's on a break again from it right now - he ate some kibble and drank and now he's snoozing at my feet. He does still try to bite/lick at the foot though, so only supervised breaks from the collar. The foot looks pretty good too (of course I didn't look too up close, but from what I can see)... he's being very good with taking his clavamox and drops too - I think the collar actually helps cuz he feels like he cant squirm out, so he gives in.

What's kinda funny is, my neighbors just had their Golden Retriever, Rex, fixed the other day and they asked me to watch over him while they were working today and he's got an E collar on too! It's like a lampshade head convention on our street, lol
post #6 of 17
Oh poor Oliver! I didn't know he was FIV +! Hopefully, he heals well & learns to leave his foot alone. No advice on the e-collar.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by BuzbyJLC10
What's kinda funny is, my neighbors just had their Golden Retriever, Rex, fixed the other day and they asked me to watch over him while they were working today and he's got an E collar on too! It's like a lampshade head convention on our street, lol
Oh, post a pic of the convention!
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
Haha, I have a few pics of Oliver in his collar, I'll have to try to get one of Rex tomorrow when I'm watching him again....

Gotta go, it's E collar break time for Ollie!
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by BuzbyJLC10
Haha, I have a few pics of Oliver in his collar, I'll have to try to get one of Rex tomorrow when I'm watching him again....

Gotta go, it's E collar break time for Ollie!
Cool!

Have fun Ollie!
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Yar! The Clavamox has given Oliver loose stool (well, "loose" is kinda an understatement)... So I've called the vet and Dr. Kathy is supposed to call me back as soon as she gets in. He's been on Clavamox before and didn't have this problem, but I think he was on a lower dosage that time because I only had to give it to him once a day then and now she's got me giving him 125mg twice a day.....
post #11 of 17
Poor Ollie.
post #12 of 17
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Ok, so Dr. Kathy's gonna have me give him only 1/2 a tablet twice a day to see if that fixes his runnies, and if not we'll switch to something else.... but I think the lower dose will work, as he didn't have a problem with Clavamox before.


Here are a few pics of Oliver in his E collar and our next door buddy, Rex, in his:

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http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c1...une2006002.jpg

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c1...une2006004.jpg
post #13 of 17
They do not look happy!
post #14 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by BuzbyJLC10
Ok, so Dr. Kathy's gonna have me give him only 1/2 a tablet twice a day to see if that fixes his runnies, and if not we'll switch to something else.... but I think the lower dose will work, as he didn't have a problem with Clavamox before.


Here are a few pics of Oliver in his E collar and our next door buddy, Rex, in his:
Conventions are so educational! I particularly liked Ollie's talk on how to use a litter tray with an Elizabethan Collar - got some great tips.

I hope you feel better soon Oliver. Poor sweet baby - your pic in the sig is so cute.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by PurrPaws
They do not look happy!
Haha, they're so pathetic, right? You wouldn't know that Rex had just been fixed cuz he gets all excited to see you and jumps around, lol and Oliver will slink around like the E collar weighs 800 pounds and he has this sad look on his face, but as soon as I take the collar off for a break, he's perfectly normal! haha He's getting more than plenty of lovin, so he'll be fine, haha

Glad y'all enjoyed the pictures!
post #16 of 17
Aww, bless him. I have never had cats having a prob going to the loo with an e-collar on - not even Pebbles who also had a rear leg amputation. Could be more the foot being sore than the collar.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by booktigger
Aww, bless him. I have never had cats having a prob going to the loo with an e-collar on - not even Pebbles who also had a rear leg amputation. Could be more the foot being sore than the collar.
Funny thing is though, I'll see him hop in, scratch around then hop out so I know he's gotta go.... so I take off the collar, he hops back in and goes right away - that's why I think it's the collar and not the foot itself, cuz he still digs like none other!
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