Jimmy is having a breakthrough!!

I'm really watching for copperheads too...... This is their season. So far I have only seen one small black snake ...

Jenn - dont forget, it is more important for the females to be done first, rather than the males, as they can still produce sperm for up to 6 weeks after.

Oh goodness, you'd better be looking out for those copperheards.
It's going to look so nice when you guys are done.
You sure have put a lot of work into it!

Thurday is their surgery day........ Right now Snoopy is just starting to feel a little male. He is too young to breed I think so this is his time. Don't think he has sperm yet but it wound't be long if he wasn't fixed. But anyway, they will all be done within a couple weeks.

We have also decided to take Charlie, Hank, Pebbles and Honey....... instead of Flower for the first batch.

Honey seems to be having a problem with one of her eyes and I want the vet to look at it and see if we need drops or if she needs a shot or something. It has been a little weepy. It's not infected but I want it looked at. Not a lot of weeping but it just doesn't seem like a strong eye. When cow had her, Cow was very unhealthy. What I mean by that is she had never had her shots or had been wormed or had never been owned and never had tons of good food. Hank, Honey and Princess Minny have always seemed a little puny to me. Hank finally is huge however and Princess with lots of work have gained weight and look good. But it took lots of work to get them that way. Honey is very very small and has always been small. She is the tiniest cat I have. She is not underweight but just small in form. I feel it was a nutritional issue during pregnancy. cow's other litter with Tulip and Snoopy.......they are huge. They are already bigger than princess and honey. Much much bigger but by then I was feeding cow. Hank and Snoopy are going to be very very large. Hank is close to a year old now and he in a couple years might surpass JJ in size. Snoopy and Tulip will be that size as well. Snoopy is bigger than tulip and snoopy is nearly as large as Hank already... Hank and JJ still snuggle together every single night. Those cats love each other so much.

Flower is also little but she is small boned. She has a pencil tail it is so small. But she is healthy as a horse.

Another difference between cows two litters....

The litter that was born in my house....snoopy and tulip.... they are extremely people oriented. when we go to the restroom, they run to the restroom with us and stand and meow. They demand to be petted daily and purr like crazy all the time.

The littler she had under my porch........hank, honey and minnny.... They never purr when we pet them. They tolerate touch. They shrink down on their belly when we pet them but do not run. Their first 6 weeks they learned to NOT TRUST.. That 4-6 weeks with no human contact made a huge huge difference in how they respond to touch and to humans. I pet them and hold them all daily but these three only tolerate it. They prefer the cats to people for daily love. They are not wild by any means but they were conditioned different as little babies. I remember looking and looking for this litter when I knew she had them but never could find them until they started meowing and venturing out. Hank enjoys being stroked more than Honey and Princess ......and Honey enjoys it more than Princess. Honey follows me around a lot but still shrinks when I pet her. Princess Minny never follows me. I find her and pick her up to love on her. I can cuddle her and she will let me as long I want to hold her. But no purrs. She tolerates it but does not appear to enjoy it. Honey is the same way.

This was just a little insight on what I have noticed about cats not handled for the first few weeks vs kittens by the same mother who had a little born inside a house. It is interesting what only a few weeks difference makes.

Changing the lay of the new portion of the CE. Too many shelf rocks. We are using trees for corner posts now to cut back on digging. It will not be square. It will be multi sided.... I am cutting across and eliminating a soft portion of land. Part of it under a shelf rock is too loose. I plan on digging there at a later date.

Might have a cav.e

One of the pounds that we were on a waiting list for called this morning. They had an opening for Charlie. We took him... It was a very sad time but we held it together.

And even though it was sad, we are relieved. The house is back to normal or nealy so. The animals are more relaxed. Molly has her crate and her doghouse back and she is thrilled. She has her back yard back as well.. When her nose heals, there will be no signs he has ever been here. We thought it was just Emma he was biting and so we started keeping her in the house more. Molly was being injured. I am doctoring her wounds now from a fight this morning. We tried hard and did all we could. Juan told the pound that Charlie had an appointment tomorrow to get fixed and they said, if we wait he would lose his spot. So we opted for the pound... We needed him out of our house.

I hope he finds a good life where he is the only animal.. That's what he needs in order to be happy.

I seriously doubt after this ordeal I will ever pick up another dog on the side of the road. I don't regret helping charlie but I do regret what it did it our household. But I can already tell a difference in the realxed nature of things.

I let Molly and Emma out earlier and they went swimming at the lake while we went to town... They are both exhausted now and sleeping inside.

This has been quite the ordeal and I leaned a huge lesson in what NOT to do.

Jenn

Originally Posted by jcribbs

One of the pounds that we were on a waiting list for called this morning. They had an opening for Charlie. We took him... It was a very sad time but we held it together.

And even though it was sad, we are relieved. The house is back to normal or nealy so. The animals are more relaxed. Molly has her crate and her doghouse back and she is thrilled. She has her back yard back as well.. When her nose heals, there will be no signs he has ever been here. We thought it was just Emma he was biting and so we started keeping her in the house more. Molly was being injured. I am doctoring her wounds now from a fight this morning. We tried hard and did all we could. Juan told the pound that Charlie had an appointment tomorrow to get fixed and they said, if we wait he would lose his spot. So we opted for the pound... We needed him out of our house.

I hope he finds a good life where he is the only animal.. That's what he needs in order to be happy.

I seriously doubt after this ordeal I will ever pick up another dog on the side of the road. I don't regret helping charlie but I do regret what it did it our household. But I can already tell a difference in the realxed nature of things.

I let Molly and Emma out earlier and they went swimming at the lake while we went to town... They are both exhausted now and sleeping inside.

This has been quite the ordeal and I leaned a huge lesson in what NOT to do.

Jenn

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Please let us know something if you are able to find something out about Charlie, I know how bad your heart is hurting right now.

Jenn, I know this wasn't an easy decision for you, but it was best for Charlie and you and the rest of your crew. Just remember that.

It's hard....... it's real hard about but it was for the best. I hope he is happy and gets a home that's forever. But I don't want to talk about that. It bothers me too much.

But on the lighter side, today when I went to town to get Felidae, I bought 40 lbs of canidae for the dogs. I also got three free samples.

1-Raw instinct dry frm natures variety. [Muffin loves it]
2-Wellness super5mix chicken.
3-chicken meal and brown rice medley from natures variety.

But like I said, I bought the canidae. The ingredients looks good. The owner of "all about dogs and cats" talked to me about every single food. He said the evo and gold were mostly for algergy prone dogs. The natures variety is great but in his opinion, canidae is superior. Since I love felidae cat food and since it has no gluton, I bought 40 lbs of the dog food and 40 lbs more of the cat food. So we have lots of chow. The dogs haven't tried it yet since we still have 20 lbs of Pedigree. They have eaten pedigree for years. 40 lbs last them three weeks. The owner said at first they might eat more of the Canidae since it tastes so good but after they settle in to the food, they will eat less of it.


I might have to open it and try it. Muff loved the raw instinct. She gobbled it up. I might go back and forth between the Canidae and the Natures Variety. We'll have to see. Their hair coat now is good, but I was told today that even with a good coat, I will see a huge difference. I know I did with the cats hair.

One more thing. Last week, before I could get ot town, I bought some Purina cat chow. The cats vomited it. ...... They never vomit on the Felidae.

Jenn

Also.......

Hank, Honey and Pebbles came through surgery fine. Honey's eye difficulty is probably just a stopped up tear duct. Vet said he sees no scratch on her eye or any other problem.

Hank is already raring to go but I am keeping them all crated tonight with water only. We shut the cat door earlier to let Pebbles and Hank attempt to walk. Hank does fine but Pebbles is still wobbley. Honey doesn't even want to wake up. I have had to stir her several times to make sure she is ok. I changed her bedding and her body felt cold so I put her crate in the sun and wrapped her in a towel and put one of my bed pillows under her. She is slowly coming around and their surgery was at 7:30 this morning. She is just having a hard time. She'll be ok but I think they gave her too much meds to put her out. Pebbles is sleeping but she is still alert but just wobbley. Honey has not even walked or stood up or sat up yet. She has raised her head. I held her for a bit. Her third eyelid is nearly covering her eye. She feels so bad. We dribbled water in her mouth and she licked Juan's hand.

Here is Honey.....


And here is Pebbles sleeping and Hank standing up.


But like I said, I am keeping them crated tonight.

When Cleo was fixed, she stayed in our bed under the covers for 4 days.

And poor Molly..........she will have to do without her crate tonight. She will have to suffer sleeping in our room........hehe

I know how you feel, Jenn.
When we had Elliott neutered I took him in at 1 PM, picked him up at 3 PM and he made no attempt to even move until almost 11PM...I was really getting worried about him.
I also thought that maybe our Vet gave him to much to put him out.

When he did finally stand up the poor little guy was stumbling around like a little drunk
But, by the next morning he was ripping around the house like he'd never had surgery.

That makes me feel better Gracie. Right now, Juan is sitting on the lounge chair snuggling her on his chest. He dribbles tiny drops of water on her lips but she doesn't want it. She is conscious but doesn't even want to open her eyes and look at us. She was taken to the vet at 7:30 this morning. Her surgery was between 8-10am today. Not sure exactly when. We picked her up at noon and brought her home.

If she is not ripping around tomrrow, she is going back to the vet. Or at least walking around. My poor little kitty girl is so sleepy...

The other are sleeping but at least their heads bobble a little and they stand up. They look like those bobble toys that you put on a car dash........

I'm looking forward to tomorrow so I can see how Honey is doing. I have already set the alarm for 5am.

Just tucked her back in. I got her to lift her head a little.

Awww, how sweet she looks all covered up.
I'm sending "rippping around" vibes to Honey!

ripping around vibes...........

sounds good to me!!! thank you Gracie......

Nite all.........
Jenn

Well, it's nearly 4 in the morning. Snoopy is a-ok and running around. Pebbles is sore but doing good. Honey is on the couch tucked in. She is alert and slow. She'll be ok...... I made her a "cover cave" and she is inside it.

Thank god..... And Hank has already eaten this morning but then he didn't have his guts removed like the girls...

But all is well.
Jenn

Here's Hank standing on his front legs this morning. He does not even act like he has had surgery. He is playing up a storm.


and Pebbles....... She is not quite recovered yet. She is not drowsy but I can tell she is very sore.... She will probably be active later on today. Or tomorrow. She is fine.


and Honey in her cave. Honey does not want to eat, drink or move. She is extremely sore. Her third eyelids are back where they go this morning so I know she feels better but she will probably rest most of the day. She still just wants to sleep but she is walking and moving. She got on the couch by herself. She tried to jump from the chair to the couch and fell. I helped her a little. I can tell she is in pain.

I gave Pebbles and Honey a small amt of Pain meds I had left over when JJ was fixed. It was given to me by Dr Henry and it is the same thing he gave me for Tink, Dovey and Cookie when they were fixed. It will make them feel better.

That's good news, Jenn.
I'm glad she's a little more active today.

Jimmy hates difference.......

He wants to know what the heck is wrong with Honey. He snuggled her when she was a tiny kitten when he was still so scared and they gave each other comfort. He doesn't like the fact that she feels bad....

He has followed her around since I have gotten home from work and is watching her like a hawk..... He loves Princess Minny but Honey is his baby too. He has probably been following her all day. Juan said she spent the majority of the day under the dens in the enclosure laying in the hay with Pebbles. They stayed there together according to Juan. I worked days today and he worked afternoons so one of us has been with them all day.