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post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 
I have posted about my not so wholesome neighbors before, but two nights ago the guy who lives upstairs made some subtle death threats(if there's such a thing) to me and my family.

He didn't come right out and say I'm going to kill you but he was dropping gang's names that he knows and said he knows people who know how to make other people "disappear" or "leave town for good".

OK so I'll back up a little bit....so I've made complaints against my upstairs neighbors (4plex) about smoking (breaking the lease) because my son and I have severe asthma and my son's lungs are inflamed from the cig smoke, not to mention the lound music 24/7 (litterally) and the drug use on the property.

The landlord warned them about the smoking but they continue to do so, so I decided that the only way I could get a message to them was by calling the cops everytime I could hear their music in my suite, which is all the time. So either they stop doing what they are doing or they get enough tickets and fines that they cannot afford rent and either move or get evicted.

Now the son (chris) does not want to go back to jail (he's been there almost his whole life) and made it very clear that he's willing to play "hardball" to prevent that from happening.

Now I have to find a new home for my dog because she is unsafe outside for more than 2 minutes and I can't keep her inside all day while I'm not home and I have to move and I don't have the $$$ to do it.

I'm really scared! There's more to the story, but I'll post it later.

Has anyone else experienced something like this????
post #2 of 44
I feel you should notify the police.
post #3 of 44
Jeez! that sounds scary! do you have any family that you can stay with, for a bit?
post #4 of 44
Youre being bullied,
You need to go to the police asap! tell them the whole situation.
I mean is it really youre problem that he was in jail before?
Doesnt it make him already dangerous?
post #5 of 44
I agree too!, call the police and let them know that this individual is threatining you now, I'd also let the landlord know.
post #6 of 44
Touchy situation.I'm not really sure what I would do. There are bad people in this world and this guy sounds like he is one of them. By telling the police it might make matters worse. But then again if you don't who knows what he might do. I'm sorry you having to live like this. The best thing would be if you could move.
post #7 of 44
Uggh-thats scary! I would say calling the cops would be my first step, and of course talk to your land lord too. Please keep us updated on this situation. And best of luck to you!!
post #8 of 44
OMG....it's time to move!!!!
post #9 of 44
Thread Starter 
Oh I have phoned the police multiple times on him (just not about the threat because it was said because I was calling the police and if I keep it up) and I always tell my landlord everything.

My landlords seemed like they didn't want to do anything about it until I told him about the threats and that I phoned this place called safer communities and neighborhoods about their illegal activities and they will be investigated.


I don't care that Chris has been in jail before but I do care that he is continuing activies that could send him back!

This started because I was garenteed that this place was completely non-smoking as my son and I have asthma that is imflamed by cig smoke and they know this(I've talked to them, Dh has talked to them, landlord has talked to them & given written warnings) and they continue to do what they are doing.

I was just up there 4 days ago to talk to the mom and she said she would talk to the others because it was them. Well it continued so I phoned the police on the noise violation and then the next day when I came home she was standing on her balcony and saw me and walked back into her house, picked up her cigs and lit one and stood inside the house smoking it.

I'm sorry but this woman is a selfish person because she is actually harming a small child. It's summer time and the balcony is right there so it is no inconvienance to smoke outside.

They are always drunk upstairs and have admitted it to me. I hope they get help for their addictions problems


I have to stay here until august 1st because I have to give a months written notice. I don't want to move but even if the other people get evicted they will still know where we live.
post #10 of 44
I agree about the moving part, if the get evicted, ESPECIALLY if they get evicted, they will have an even bigger vendetta out for you guys and that is just to scary to risk. I'm sorry you have to move because other people don't know how to be civilized and rational human beings! *hugs*
post #11 of 44
There is a guaranteed way to get around giving a month's notice and that is paying the rent and then leaving. You don't have to live there you just have to pay for it. You can also ask the landlord if you can get out of it since you've told him about the problems with the tenants above you and he hasn't evicted them and now you're leaving instead. If they are smoking inside and they have a non-smoking lease, technically they've broken the lease and can be kicked out.

By calling the cops all the time for noise violations you did nothing but make your own situation worse. For one thing, the cops have to come out there just to ask your neighbors to turn down the stereo. For another, your neighbors know its you and you're basically poking a hornet's nest with a stick. I'm not saying they're right to act like that, and especially not to threaten you, but you sort of antagonized them even though you knew they were terrible people who would probably respond like that.

The only way to fix it now is for one of you to move. And you only have control over you.
post #12 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctie
I agree about the moving part, if the get evicted, ESPECIALLY if they get evicted, they will have an even bigger vendetta out for you guys and that is just to scary to risk. I'm sorry you have to move because other people don't know how to be civilized and rational human beings! *hugs*

I'm sad too. If the situation wasn't such a scary one, I'd take enough time to ensure i could find a place that would let me take all of my pets. All the places I've phoned either don't allow pets or only cats and I have my Gracie.

Kyle's mom said that we could take Gracie to their farm but it could only be for a couple weeks because she doesn't like dogs.
post #13 of 44
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese


Has anyone else experienced something like this????
Yes I have, and she moved six times to be beside me everytime I move.

Something needs to be done. I don't know what. Your productivity would be severely diminished until this is taken care of. I can't offer any advice because I haven't taken care of my situation. I can only commiserate.
post #14 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shengmei
Yes I have, and she moved six times to be beside me everytime I move.

Something needs to be done. I don't know what. Your productivity would be severely diminished until this is taken care of. I can't offer any advice because I haven't taken care of my situation. I can only commiserate.

How did they find out where you moved????
post #15 of 44
I have no idea.

She called me on my cell phone the hour I moved into my apartment. I don't know how she got my cell number either.
post #16 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shengmei
I have no idea.

That scares me. I thought that if I moved I would be ok.

I'm looking to move to a small town that is close to where the city I live in now because we still have to drive in for work and school.
post #17 of 44
Oh honey I can commiserate with you!
I'm angry for you that you're the one having to move, but end of the day, it'll be safer. These people are garbage and you don't need to be living in that dump.
We've had an endless stream of lowlifes living next door and causing trouble. The worst are the current lot who we had to call the police on last night because they were having a domestic which spilled over into our carpark. They were screaming and throwing beer bottles everywhere. And the bonus is they have young children, super parents these guys make. Anyways, the cops didn't show as far as we know - 911 is a total joke as far as I'm concerned. Everytime I've ever had to call the police, they end up p**sing me off and doing sweet FA to help the situation.
I think you're doing the right thing by moving, it's got to be done for the sake of your quality of life.
post #18 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pushylady
Oh honey I can commiserate with you!
I'm angry for you that you're the one having to move, but end of the day, it'll be safer. These people are garbage and you don't need to be living in that dump.
We've had an endless stream of lowlifes living next door and causing trouble. The worst are the current lot who we had to call the police on last night because they were having a domestic which spilled over into our carpark. They were screaming and throwing beer bottles everywhere. And the bonus is they have young children, super parents these guys make. Anyways, the cops didn't show as far as we know - 911 is a total joke as far as I'm concerned. Everytime I've ever had to call the police, they end up p**sing me off and doing sweet FA to help the situation.
I think you're doing the right thing by moving, it's got to be done for the sake of your quality of life.

By your story, you could be my nextdoor neighbor or we both have aweful neighbors.

My neighbors also have small children and fight and throw beer bottles every where and just destroy things. I also called the cops on them the other night but the cops did come.

I'm not sure why Chris is so worried about the police coming. I mean if he isn't doing anything illegal (other than playing his music loud) then he should have nothing to worry about.

At first I was sooooo angry that I was the one who would have to move. This would be the perfect place to live if they didn't live here. Now I realize my pride doesn't mean a thing if something were to happen to me or someone in my family.
post #19 of 44
Give you notice, and get out ASAP. Make sure that you don't leave ANYTHING with your forwarding address on it at your old apartment. If they are going to make threats call the police. I would also grab a video camera and tape what is happening as well. You can show it to your landlord, or to the police if need be.
post #20 of 44
Also, what kind of crap landlord do you have that is still letting them live there! Have you told them you're considering moving out? And if so, they're willing to let trash people stay (who are probably wrecking the place and threatening their other tennants) while good tennats leave? That sure doesn't seem like a good way to run a property! As your landlord, he is there to provide you with as safe a living environment as he can control, and he can control who lives in his buildings.
And I bet if you just up and leave, no notice, no next months rent, you'd be fine. I don't think there's a judge out there that would make you pay an extra months rent when you moved out for your family's saftey because your landlord and the police can't help you.

I would call the police and tell them about the threat to document that it happened (as you may need this evidence) but ask that for your family's saftey, they don't come out to talk to your neighbors. Also talk to your landlord about this as well and ask for some kind of written record of the complaints made. (paper trail!)

I hope though that you won't need any of that.

~Julia
post #21 of 44
I know where you comming from. My fiance and mine's old roommate (who made threats to beat me up because I supposedly said he was homosexual) moved into the apartment next door to us and would come over and ask my fiance to "step outside" then continue to make threats against us. It even got to the point that he would send strangers to knock on our doors late at night with their hands in their pockets and looking very etchy. We moved, managed to make ammends, and are happy now.

My suggestions are: 1) break your lease and move out. If you have police reports filed, have a copy of your contract, notified the landlord of their threats AND you can state the dates you've notified your landlord of the activities it would definately hold up in court that you had reason to move. If your landlord tells you he will take you to court, tell him you'll meet him there gladly AND you'll counter sue for the court costs and moving costs. Even if you were to loose at least you'd be out of the complex. 2) Play nicey nice with the neighbors untill you get out of the complex. Go up and "apologize" about calling the police frequently and tell them youdon't want to fued with them anymore. You just want to live as neighbors. Get air purifiers for you home, and perhaps listent o your own radio late at night to help put you and your child to sleep. This way you won't have too much "beef" with them untill you move out. This will give you time to find a place that accepts animals. 3) Find a trailor court to move into. Almost all courts have a place to rent, the homes can actually be VERY nice, and they allow indoor pets (for the most part). Some may charge a fee but pets are definately worth it! 4) Look for loop holes in your contract. If your going through one person and not a company or anything chance are there will be LOTS of loopholes in your contract. If you can find a legitimate one, use it. Keep yourself and your son, and your pets safe.

Either way goodluck. Keep us posted and stay safe.
post #22 of 44
Thread Starter 
This is such a long story (sorry)


So I moved here last November and at the time our landlords name was Corneilus. He sold the property and the new landlords tookover the property on Jan 1st of this year. Coneilus knew Patricia (the mom) who lived up there for a year before we moved. Chris(her son) got out of jail at the end of October and moved in with mom for Nov so Corneilus didn't really know what a trouble maker he is, plus under the contact, he isn't even suposed to be living there.


The situation now is that the women who owns the building is in another province with her dying mother and has left her S/O or husband(Richard) (not sure if they're married or not) to take in rent and such.

I've talked to them on many occassions about the smoking. Heather is much more effective when it comes to dealing with them.

The last convo I had with Richard was about everything. Patricia complained to him about me phoning the cops on them while he was there fixing their taps. He came down to ask what was happening. He said he had know idea. He thought the smoking was the only problem (even though I've phone multiple times about drug use and death threats against my dog). I told him that they do drugs on the property and wouldn't be surprised if they weren't selling on the property too. They are constantly drunk and parting and playing loud music and plus the smoking. I also informed him that Chris made death threats against me and my family or atleast implied that he knew people who could make other people disappear and that even if they get evicted I am still moving because I don't want phyco's to know where me and my family live.

He said he completely understands and next time I have any problem to phone him and the cops so he can be there when it happens.

He also said he has to wait for Heather to get back to evcit them(place and everything is in her name), but that is what is going to happen.

I also informed him I have a place investigating the other tenants for illegal activity and that the rentalsmen (agency that controls tenant/landlord issues) that I could make a claim against Richard and Heather for a new damage deposit, moving expenses and extra monthly costs as I shouldn't be the one having to move. The situation could have been avoided if they had acted sooner and just evicted those people off of prior offenses.
post #23 of 44
Good for you way to take action! I hope things work out!
post #24 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazmynn
Good for you way to take action! I hope things work out!

I really do too. Thank you It's tiring and fustrating but I need to fight and stand up for what's right but also balance that with a good dose of safety and knowing when to put my pride and principles aside for the sake of my family's safety.
post #25 of 44
Why not move now?
while you can?
Ask the landlord to waver your months notice and get out asap.
Can you imagine what will go down while these people leave having been evicted? then afterwards.
Keep safe.
post #26 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meowsas
Why not move now?
while you can?
Ask the landlord to waver your months notice and get out asap.
Can you imagine what will go down while these people leave having been evicted? then afterwards.
Keep safe.

That is a scary part of the situation. I have no idea how they'll react. I have no money to move right now.

In order to move my landlords would have to return my damage deposit early like now. Plus I am a student with no income right now and we can just barely afford the place we live. This is the aweful and fustrating part of my situation is that either I stay where I am, move out of town or move to a worse area than I'm already in.

If I can hold off on the moving until August 1st so that I can give a months notice, then my landlords may be willing to give us our damage deposit back early and then we can secure a new place.

I'm going to have to end up doing community service to pay off my ticket from my dog. (300 bucks worth) becauase I can't even afford to pay that.

I feel like I darned if I do and darned if I don't. Go figure.
post #27 of 44
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Originally Posted by Miss Mew
I agree too!, call the police and let them know that this individual is threatining you now, I'd also let the landlord know.

I definitely agree. Even if you don't think it's that serious, a police report now could help you later if anything ever escalates.
post #28 of 44
I don't know if anyone has recommended this, but maybe you should call an attorney who handles landlord/ tenant disputes to discuss the situation. Often times they offer free consultations. I think the landlord might have an obligation to do a bit more than he is in a situation like this.... I would look into it. You don't have anything to lose my doing so.
post #29 of 44
Thread Starter 
Well I got good news tonight from my landlord. The upstairs people are getting evicted as of the 1st. They don't know it is coming yet because my landlord wants to make sure they get rent from them first. I am really over joyed. They are also never allowed back on the property again ( there are four suite. Two on each side and Patrica and Chris are upstairs, we live down here and then Patrica's daughter rents out the top half on the other side.) and if they do, Patrica's daughter will be evicted too.

we also have a new tenant agreement. There is a downside to it through. I won't be allowed to keep my dog anymore. But I was trying to find her a good farm home since she got out so I guess it's ok, but I was hoping to get her.
post #30 of 44
that is a terrible situation. i can only hope that they dont become vindictive to you. Im glad they are being evicted. Its good. I only hope that things get better for you now!
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