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post #1 of 31
6/11/06 at 6:17pm
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Pitbulls may be notorious for hurting people, but the few that do can not possibly outshine the hundreds that are sweet, loveable pets. Sign the petition against breed specific legislation in California!
http://www.nokillnow.com/BSLCA.htm

"Punish the deed, not the breed."
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post #2 of 31
6/11/06 at 6:27pm
Yeah I know. I have always believed we should triple the penalty for dog fighting........
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post #3 of 31
6/13/06 at 9:54pm
Well as a pit bull owner, I will gladly sign it!! I am so thankful that since I live outside city limits(Kansas) they cant/wont do much to us since we have one, and if they did-well.......thats another story!! Poor pitties get such a bad rep and ppl dont even KNOW how many other dog attacks happen day after day! It is so ridiculous and sad.....
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post #4 of 31
6/16/06 at 4:27am
They've already banned the beautiful pitties here in Ontario. Morons.


http://www.pitbullproblem.tk
Thats a pittie video, it does have some disturbing images, but it has a wonderful meaning, and makes me cry everytime I watch it.
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post #5 of 31
6/16/06 at 5:17am
Unfourtunatley it's not just pitbulls that they've banned, one of my friends has a type of bulldog and they are now telling her that he is part of the ban as well. The animal control officier said it includes all breeds with a "locking jaw"
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post #6 of 31
6/16/06 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Miss Mew
Unfourtunatley it's not just pitbulls that they've banned, one of my friends has a type of bulldog and they are now telling her that he is part of the ban as well. The animal control officier said it includes all breeds with a "locking jaw"
Oh lord-the "locking jaw" myth!! Sounds like that AC officer needs to do some reading up on that myth!!
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post #7 of 31
6/16/06 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by catloverin_ks
Oh lord-the "locking jaw" myth!! Sounds like that AC officer needs to do some reading up on that myth!!
I know...I used to work for this particular AC officier, it doesn't surprize me that's she's clueless about this subject too!
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post #8 of 31
6/16/06 at 2:57pm
Is it the Presa Canario? or Dogo Argentino?
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post #9 of 31
6/16/06 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Leto86
Is it the Presa Canario? or Dogo Argentino?
They said that the Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog is also part of the ban.
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post #10 of 31
6/16/06 at 8:07pm
Oh yeah, I always forget about them because their name is weird.. lol
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post #11 of 31
6/19/06 at 5:52pm
I have a spoiled-rotten pit mix. The only reason that I keep Pearlie away from my granddaughters, is that she will knock them down and lick them to death. Pearlie is a rather energetic and rambunctious dog and loves to play.
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post #12 of 31
6/19/06 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by katl8e
I have a spoiled-rotten pit mix. The only reason that I keep Pearlie away from my granddaughters, is that she will knock them down and lick them to death. Pearlie is a rather energetic and rambunctious dog and loves to play.
LOL-that sounds like my dog She is so rambunctious!! And such a licker, and a lover.
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post #13 of 31
6/21/06 at 6:27pm
I personally feel this way about the whole issue:

Pets (dogs or cats) are tempermental not because of their breed, but because of how their owners raise them. It's sad that there are preconceived notions about the breed. I have a friend who couldn't take her Rottweiler to California with her cause it's a banned breed....

It's sad cause the dog, her name is Jasmine, is such a sweetheart...she left her with some friends she had in MD.
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post #14 of 31
6/23/06 at 4:04pm
This is a great article that is well-balanced:
http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
Although it does mention that rotties & pits/mixes are responsible for over 67% of the canine homicides, it explains why breed-specific bans aren't a good idea. I say that the owners should face incredibly stiff penalties, though; since over 90% of the biting dogs are unneutered males, methinks it speaks of owner irresponsibility! My brother had an adorable pit, registered stud, and it got out & went on a killing rampage that started with the family cat (this dog was over 5 years old & grew up with cats), went on to kill a calf, rip the throat of a horse (the horse lived) and ended with biting a 5yo at a bus stop - no reason at all for the sudden change of behavior, but my dad warned my brother that an unneutered male is a loose cannon, esp. if there's just a whif of "ready female" in the air. Perhaps if my brother would have risked jail time, he would have done the responsible thing & neutered the dog. The dog just suddenly bolted out the door & over the 7 ft. fence;- as I said, Bear was such a sweetie all those years, it could only be that he was unneutered.. And my brother got off with making restitution for cost of the calf, the horse's vet bills & some of the child's doctor bills
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post #15 of 31
6/23/06 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by catloverin_ks
Oh lord-the "locking jaw" myth!! Sounds like that AC officer needs to do some reading up on that myth!!
Why do you call it myth? I understand that is the "thing" about Bulldogs! They can clamp on and breath and you cannot get their mouths open!

I understand there are 2 kinds - one kind comes from a fighting strain and the others have been bred for decades to have a gentle temperment. Problem is when you buy one you do not know their background.
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post #16 of 31
6/23/06 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
Why do you call it myth? I understand that is the "thing" about Bulldogs! They can clamp on and breath and you cannot get their mouths open!

I understand there are 2 kinds - one kind comes from a fighting strain and the others have been bred for decades to have a gentle temperment. Problem is when you buy one you do not know their background.
I will be glad to share with you some info on this subject
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post #17 of 31
6/23/06 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by catloverin_ks
I will be glad to share with you some info on this subject
Yes please! I have heard that Pit's are a walking time bomb!
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post #18 of 31
6/24/06 at 4:55am
There is nothing wrong with Pit Bulls, only with (some of) the people that "own" them. Any dog has the ability to turn on people, it's just Pits (and Rotties) are simply more powerful dogs. German Shepards had the same rep years ago before Pits got more popular. If you work with any dog appropriately, they are wonderful dogs. If you abuse them, they can and will attack.
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post #19 of 31
6/24/06 at 5:52am
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
Yes please! I have heard that Pit's are a walking time bomb!

Ok-Im glad your interested in learning, because people have such bad feelings towards these dogs and I like to try and help people as much as I can.
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post #20 of 31
6/24/06 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
There is nothing wrong with Pit Bulls, only with (some of) the people that "own" them. Any dog has the ability to turn on people, it's just Pits (and Rotties) are simply more powerful dogs. German Shepards had the same rep years ago before Pits got more popular. If you work with any dog appropriately, they are wonderful dogs. If you abuse them, they can and will attack.
Well said!
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post #21 of 31
6/24/06 at 5:58am
Here is a very good link on "monster myths".....

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/myths.cfm

Please feel free to read that link.
And here is another one, for good measures.

http://www.austinlostpets.com/kidsko...er/pitbull.htm
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post #22 of 31
6/24/06 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by catloverin_ks
Here is a very good link on "monster myths".....

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/myths.cfm

Please feel free to read that link.
And here is another one, for good measures.

http://www.austinlostpets.com/kidsko...er/pitbull.htm
Those articles do acknowledge that pits are very determined when getting their prey. It is vital that people accept the dominating traits of any breed, which is why the breed was developed in the first place. Pits & rotties are responsible for 67% of the dog-caused human deaths; certainly they are not represented at 67% of the types of dogs owned, which suggests that even tho all dogs of any breed bite, and some, esp. the toy breeds, seem to be more human-aggressive, it's the size & determination of the attacking dog that is key here. And it is wrong to assume that every attacking dog did so because of abuse - the fact is that dogs who attack have often assumed, in their mind, a high-ranking position in the pack. Another fact is that dogs will go after a cat or child that is not in their own pack. I'm not saying that it is wrong to have these dogs, only that owners need to realize ahead of time what the possiblities are and do their best to minimize the risks.
I really like Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer, who has the most balanced, sensible approach on this subject. He really accepts dogs for being dogs, and the dogs seem so much happier because of it.
And for the record, I think that the fact that so many of the TCS members here find that they can own cats & pits in a harmonious households just goes to prove that responsible, educated pet ownership is the true solution.
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post #23 of 31
6/24/06 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
Those articles do acknowledge that pits are very determined when getting their prey. It is vital that people accept the dominating traits of any breed, which is why the breed was developed in the first place. Pits & rotties are responsible for 67% of the dog-caused human deaths; certainly they are not represented at 67% of the types of dogs owned, which suggests that even tho all dogs of any breed bite, and some, esp. the toy breeds, seem to be more human-aggressive, it's the size & determination of the attacking dog that is key here. And it is wrong to assume that every attacking dog did so because of abuse - the fact is that dogs who attack have often assumed, in their mind, a high-ranking position in the pack. Another fact is that dogs will go after a cat or child that is not in their own pack. I'm not saying that it is wrong to have these dogs, only that owners need to realize ahead of time what the possiblities are and do their best to minimize the risks.
I really like Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer, who has the most balanced, sensible approach on this subject. He really accepts dogs for being dogs, and the dogs seem so much happier because of it.
And for the record, I think that the fact that so many of the TCS members here find that they can own cats & pits in a harmonious households just goes to prove that responsible, educated pet ownership is the true solution.
That last statement is so true!
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post #24 of 31
6/24/06 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
And it is wrong to assume that every attacking dog did so because of abuse - the fact is that dogs who attack have often assumed, in their mind, a high-ranking position in the pack.
I agree with this with a small nuance. If you allow a large breed dog that was bred to bring out aggressive traits to be an alpha, you are abusing that dog. That's just my humble opinion.
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post #25 of 31
6/24/06 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
I agree with this with a small nuance. If you allow a large breed dog that was bred to bring out aggressive traits to be an alpha, you are abusing that dog. That's just my humble opinion.
I have talked to a lot of Pit Bull owners and been told that SOME are BRED to fight - meaning they take those with a nasty fighting tempermant and breed them to others with the same temperment. THEN there are those who love the breed and are against fighting and THOSE are bred to have a sweet kind temperment.
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post #26 of 31
6/24/06 at 11:50pm
Actually, they are members of the terrier breeds, and that means that they were bred to exterminate "varmint" species, whether it be squirrels, foxes, bears, etc. Just like herd dogs were bred for their ablility to keep the flock or herd rounded up. My rottie-mixes will kill my chickens; my daughter's Australian cattle dog will just "herd" them about the yard, and bark off at any large birds flying overhead, whether it's hawks or owls. They are each doing what they were bred to do, and I have to accept that & respond accordingly. It is no more wrong to feel that way than it is to know that my White Leghorn hens have the propensity to eat eggs & peck at the other hens; the Red Stars are gentle, and don't have those traits, but if a cat goes to chase them, then the Stars run but the Leghorns will peck back. They are all my pets & I love them all and manage them carefully so disasters don't occur.
And for the record, since I have discontinued any treats or scraps for my Rotties, except dry kibble & dog biscuits, they have seemed to lost interest in trying to go after my cats (that hint I got from the cop-dog-handlers). Not that I let my kitties out without me being right there - why tempt fate?
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post #27 of 31
6/25/06 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
Actually, they are members of the terrier breeds, and that means that they were bred to exterminate "varmint" species, whether it be squirrels, foxes, bears, etc. Just like herd dogs were bred for their ablility to keep the flock or herd rounded up. My rottie-mixes will kill my chickens; my daughter's Australian cattle dog will just "herd" them about the yard, and bark off at any large birds flying overhead, whether it's hawks or owls. They are each doing what they were bred to do, and I have to accept that & respond accordingly. It is no more wrong to feel that way than it is to know that my White Leghorn hens have the propensity to eat eggs & peck at the other hens; the Red Stars are gentle, and don't have those traits, but if a cat goes to chase them, then the Stars run but the Leghorns will peck back. They are all my pets & I love them all and manage them carefully so disasters don't occur.
And for the record, since I have discontinued any treats or scraps for my Rotties, except dry kibble & dog biscuits, they have seemed to lost interest in trying to go after my cats (that hint I got from the cop-dog-handlers). Not that I let my kitties out without me being right there - why tempt fate?
Well a LOT of Standard Poodles have a HIGH prey drive but I got lucky! MINE never met a person (even toddler) or cat he did not like!
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post #28 of 31
6/25/06 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by MyBabies
I have talked to a lot of Pit Bull owners and been told that SOME are BRED to fight - meaning they take those with a nasty fighting tempermant and breed them to others with the same temperment. THEN there are those who love the breed and are against fighting and THOSE are bred to have a sweet kind temperment.
Even those dogs who have been "bred to fight" need to be abused, often beaten and starved, to MAKE them fight. Dogs don't make bad dogs, PEOPLE make bad dogs.

I work at a pet supply store, and since the ban went through in Ontario I've fitted dozens of pitties for muzzles (that they now MUST wear when in public ) A stranger, right in their faces, with an awful looking contraption, and I've never had a single one even raise a lip at me. The only thing a muzzle stops these dogs from doing is giving kisses I've only been bitten by one dog at work. A shih tzu.

I think a lot of people would change their views once they've MET one. A lot of people hold these opinions that Pit Bulls are killers, time bombs, etc. without even having met any, simply because the media latches on to them and makes them seem bad. I fully believe that one should form their OWN opinions of things, instead of just blindly following.
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post #29 of 31
6/25/06 at 8:52am
I hope you are right as I do love the look of those gallent dogs! It about Kills me to see the animal cops have to put them down.

I see them all the time at Petsmart and so many of their owners say "they turn at 3 years old" and that then they start to want to fight and bite.

Maybe they just have bad owners! At the Vet I used to use the one's there were mush buckets and I fell in love with them! Guess that is why my Panther kitty is so special to me as my Ben is Mr Macho but Panther is MY mush bucket.

The dog I now have trouble with next door is a chow mix and it IS the people not talking to her or gettig her used to people that has made her mean!
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post #30 of 31
6/25/06 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by vanillasugar
Even those dogs who have been "bred to fight" need to be abused, often beaten and starved, to MAKE them fight. Dogs don't make bad dogs, PEOPLE make bad dogs.

I work at a pet supply store, and since the ban went through in Ontario I've fitted dozens of pitties for muzzles (that they now MUST wear when in public ) A stranger, right in their faces, with an awful looking contraption, and I've never had a single one even raise a lip at me. The only thing a muzzle stops these dogs from doing is giving kisses I've only been bitten by one dog at work. A shih tzu.

I think a lot of people would change their views once they've MET one. A lot of people hold these opinions that Pit Bulls are killers, time bombs, etc. without even having met any, simply because the media latches on to them and makes them seem bad. I fully believe that one should form their OWN opinions of things, instead of just blindly following.
Well said!! Ban stupid people-not dogs! I honestly can say that now being a owner of a pit, that I def. think twice before judging anything! She is one of the best/sweetest dogs I have ever owned!
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