My bengal/aby/unknown crossbreed

cata_mint · Jun 7, 2006

Hello,
I'm new and i was wondering if you could help me.
I recently got two kittens, both part bengal crosses. One obviously takes after the bengal side, but the boy is a bit of a mystery. He's got a spotted stomach and black tipped tail, with faint spots on the coat, but he has rose coloured paw pads and nose and is a pale grey/white/almost silvery colour. He's a quarter abyssinian and i was wondering if he could be fawn coloured, or if he gets it from his unknown ancestry.
I'd be grateful for any help.

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...t=ab5a5e1a.jpg

goldenkitty45 · Jun 7, 2006

His face does have that "aby" look to it, but who knows about the color. One of the parents,etc. could be a silver tabby to give that effect. How do you know they are part bengel?

cata_mint · Jun 7, 2006

Well i can't be 100% but the person i got them from said that his mother is half aby and his dad half bengal. His brother who i didnt take home is very bengal marbled. I'm really interested in his colouring and size- he's huge for a kitten and all muscle. Thanks for the aby face suggestion, i hadn't realised his face shape was different to my other kit but hers is much more of a wedge.
This one is my female kitten Tilly, fast asleep for once.

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...t=IMG_1398.jpg

kai bengals · Jun 7, 2006

I had a look at your kitten photo. Cute kitten, but as far being part bengal it seems unlikely.
While it's true that there are marbled bengals, there are lots of DSH tabby cats that have marbling. DSH tabbies also have some bengal features and I think people have fun speculating about their cats being part bengal. 99.9% of the time their cats have no bengal blood.
It's actually quite rare to have a "bengal cross", since any reputable breeder or responsible pet owner will never allow their bengals to breed with a cat outside of the bengal breed. Even the dreaded BYB's who breed bengals won't create mixes because it would be difficult to sell kittens that may or may not look like a bengal.

cata_mint · Jun 7, 2006

My grandma has a beautiful marble rescue moggy called tommy so i'm no stranger to that. If he's not part bengal then could you tell me how he's managed to have such a spotted coat and tummy. I know it doesnt show well in photos but its more obvious in real life. I'd hate to think of the woman we bought them from as a liar! she seemed so nice!
My spotty kitty looks unbelieveably bengalish, Loves water and reminds me of a puppy sometimes so all in all i think its likely she's part bengal, which gives me hope for my lovely boy. I figure the woman i bought them from had a couple of part purebred cats and was breeding them to try and create kittens she could sell as looking like purebreds. It doesn't really matter, they're both perfect, its like you said its always fun to guess, particularly when there's such a wide variety of possibilities.

jen · Jun 7, 2006

Originally Posted by cata_mint

My grandma has a beautiful marble rescue moggy called tommy so i'm no stranger to that. If he's not part bengal then could you tell me how he's managed to have such a spotted coat and tummy. I know it doesnt show well in photos but its more obvious in real life. I'd hate to think of the woman we bought them from as a liar! she seemed so nice!
My spotty kitty looks unbelieveably bengalish, Loves water and reminds me of a puppy sometimes so all in all i think its likely she's part bengal, which gives me hope for my lovely boy. I figure the woman i bought them from had a couple of part purebred cats and was breeding them to try and create kittens she could sell as looking like purebreds. It doesn't really matter, they're both perfect, its like you said its always fun to guess, particularly when there's such a wide variety of possibilities.

People will tell you anything to get you to buy/adopt their kittens. I just hope she didn't charge you a Bengal type of price for them. Is she just letting them breed? Is she breeding crosses on purpose? Did you see both parents?

cata_mint · Jun 7, 2006

I wish i knew. I saw an advert online for bengal crosses and i know she had 3 litters at once she was trying to sell so i presume so. She must be intentionally trying to breed crosses or something as she said she had a devon rex cross and i did see a cat there with the distinctive curly coat. I'm just glad i didnt pay anywhere near a purebreed price for the pair. I'll try and get a picture of the parents.

jen · Jun 7, 2006

Well I hate to say or judge but it sounds like she is backyard breeding these kitties. I wouldn't recommend continuing to buy from her or to support her in this... that is just my opinion.

goldenkitty45 · Jun 7, 2006

I bred rexes and know for a fact that in any of the rex cats - a 1/2 rex will have a STRAIGHT coat - not a curly one. Only time you get that is to breed that cat with another rex or another rex cross and some of the kittens will have curly coats.

But you can't have a 1/2 rex cross with a curly coat. Yes from what you say, I think she suckered a few breeders out of cats and is deliberately cross breeding them .....byb.

I do hope you are planning on neutering/spaying the kittens you have.

And btw tabbys come in 4 types - mackeral, classic/marbled/blotched, spotted, and abyssinian. So there are spotted tabby DSH's that have NO bengel in them at all. And just cause your cat likes water and acts like a dog, doesn't mean they have bengel in them. My rex cats love playing in water and are more dog-like at times - and they certainly don't have bengel in them

cata_mint · Jun 8, 2006

I was looking at english websites and i find that the number of people selling cats they claim to be part pedigree is very large. It seems to be quite common and while i know that many will be moggies, some are genuine and the amount seems to be increasing- possibly due to irresponsible owners not wanting to alter thier precious purebreeds who then escape.
Oh, and of course they will be s/n! i'm trying to find a vet who will s/n them earlier than usual as i'd like them to not have the stress of being weak while the other wants to playfight and i believe the females can come into season early sometimes.
I can't understand declawing though. We just surrendered our sofa to our last cat as it wasn't very nice and she was perfectly happy.
This was an example of one i found who seemed to be genuine.
http://www.ukclassifieds.co.uk/black...l-o111483.html

cata_mint · Jun 9, 2006

I've just been sent Archie's and Tilly's parents photos. Tilly's mother is meant to be half bengal. Archie's mother is the threatening looking cat glowering at the photographer and is apparently half aby. Their father is supposedly half bengal, he has his face turned away from the camera. Please tell me what you think in terms of markings, byb and what not. Tilly's mother's spots are much clearer in real life.
thank you

Tilly's
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...illysmummy.jpg
Archie's
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...chiesmummy.jpg
Daddy
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g9...rent=daddy.jpg

abbycats · Jun 9, 2006

I have 2 purebred ruddy abyssinians, Abys have a ticking in their coat. If you spread the hairs on the coat you can see the ticking. I don't know if this is true in the fawns.

I also have a 17 year old household cat that has the ticking coat of an abysinnian. Somewhere she has a aby gene in her.. She is my wonderful old girl that is a domestic household pet.

Your kittens are very pretty, and will give you lots of love.

cata_mint · Jun 10, 2006

Its amazing how quickly you fall in love with them. Archie my abyish boy had his vaccinations yesterday and his joints became inflamed and he had to be rushed to the vet, where he spent the night. The vet said he's doing fine and we're picking him up today but i was frantic with worry. I can't drive so i had to wait until my dad came home before we could take him to the vet and i think it was the longest hour of my life. His sister Tilly was distraught and lonely and spent all night crying if we left her for so much as a second, so we're all pretty tired now.
I still can't work out what colour he is, but although he does have that strange two tone shimmer aby effect fur he's not cocoa enough for fawn, his coats a completely different colour to both his parents.

goldenkitty45 · Jun 11, 2006

From those photos it does appear they could be what the breeder is claiming they are. But in all cases, she seems to be using pet quality cats that should have been never bred in the first place. They are very poor quality of those breeds involved.

Like I said before, bet you anything she bought pet quality cats from unsuspecting breeders and is crossing them to make money.

I'm glad you are spaying/neutering your kittens

cata_mint · Jun 12, 2006

I agree. I think she's been doing this for a while so she probably originally had a few pet quality purebreds, then cross bred them and kept the best looking of the litters to keep the kittens going.
Up until recently I hadn't heard of byb and I probably would have avoided the classifieds if i'd known. However I fell in love with my two the moment I saw their pictures and while i don't even approve of unspayed cats let alone purposefully breeding them I find it hard to hate anything that brought my two cuties into the world. I'll know for next time

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