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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
Its a thought. but the attacks happened in his first term. While i agree we had to do something and we did. But i find it...angering that the man that conducted that attack is still free. While we focus all our efforts on iraq. which..didnt have any weapons of mass destruction which was the whole preach of why we started in on them. but thats another thread.

While its interesting to think of how Kerry would have handled the attack on 9-11 he wasnt part in that race.
Kerry probably would have ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, also. Was there any alternative? I believe Bush acted properly there, but that U.S. funds and manpower should have been concentrated on Afghanistan, and not squandered on a personal vendetta/showing Papa he's a "man" in Iraq.
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by jcat
Kerry probably would have ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, also. Was there any alternative? I believe Bush acted properly there, but that U.S. funds and manpower should have been concentrated on Afghanistan, and not squandered on a personal vendetta/showing Papa he's a "man" in Iraq.
Same here. I believe the efforts should have been concentrated in Afghanistan.

Bush probably made a mistake there. A simple and very costly mistake. That did not warrant the verbage that people called him with. I believe that he actually believed what he was doing was right and he was not intentionally trying to mislead the U.S. population.
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by valanhb
One thing I do want to point out is that the economy, in general, is doing well. The oil and gas prices may be hosing that up, but you can't blame Bush because Chavez is a jerk and Iran's president is a psycho, nor that China and India are becoming huge oil consuming nations and there isn't enough to go around. But if you listen to the media, this may as well be the Great Depression for how they report. I think the media thrives on the fact that the Average Joe doesn't want to understand or can't understand anything larger than his immediate surroundings to blow everything - with any President - out of proportion.
Those are very good points. Most Europeans would love to have the U.S.' gasoline and heating oil prices, not to mention its unemployment and economic growth rates.
post #34 of 53
In Taiwan gas costs 4X the U.S. prices and people make 1/4 of the U.S. salaries.

I had never seen a truck or an SUV in Taiwan. People ride around in little tiny scooters (Vespas and the generic equivalents). I love Vespas. I would probably buy one in the near future if the Texans don't drive around so crazily.

post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by shengmei
I believe that he actually believed what he was doing was right and he was not intentionally trying to mislead the U.S. population.
I have the opposite impression. Bush's body language says "shifty" to me, from his eyes wandering off to the side to the postured shoulders. He's not as glib a liar as Clinton, nor as well-intentioned, but ill-informed, as Reagan. His choice of Cabinet members and appointees is also highly suspicious. Patronage, anyone? He's been downright ineffectual in his second term - a squirming lame duck. Yes, that does sound like an utter contradiction, but those are the words that come to mind.
It's about time that both major political parties came up with candidates who don't pander to extremists.
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by jcat
I have the opposite impression. Bush's body language says "shifty" to me, from his eyes wandering off to the side to the postured shoulders.
I thought that was a symptom of dyslexia?
post #37 of 53
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Originally Posted by shengmei
I thought that was a symptom of dyslexia?
I don't think so. That sounds like an excuse his "handlers" have thought up. I've been teaching since 1980, and have had my share of dyslexic students, and they didn't have that kind of body language.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by jcat
I don't think so. That sounds like an excuse his "handlers" have thought up. I've been teaching since 1980, and have had my share of dyslexic students, and they didn't have that kind of body language.
Actually I never heard this excuse from anybody. This was just what I thought.

His body language simply looks like some kind of muscle twitching to me. Some kind of shortage in the biochemical pathways in his brain.....probably the result of the alcoholism in his early twenties. Kinda looks like the winner of the American Idol this year (what was his name?)

I tend to see those things as biological and not a personality trait.
post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by jcat
Kerry probably would have ordered the invasion of Afghanistan, also. Was there any alternative? I believe Bush acted properly there, but that U.S. funds and manpower should have been concentrated on Afghanistan, and not squandered on a personal vendetta/showing Papa he's a "man" in Iraq.
I agree. I think kerry would have done the same. what president wouldnt have? But again we agree i think this whole iraq thing is about finnishing what his dad started. and its just dumb. steve is always saying "what we can get Osama video tape but we cant get him..oh thats right all of our men/women are in iraq"
post #40 of 53
I think we can't get Osama videos because he is dead and all the tapes/videos he released for the last two years are done by someone who killed him, impersonated him, and reaps the profits from his notoriety.
post #41 of 53
Oh yeah I voted and I'm PROUD to say I voted Kerry. People may say this sounds extreme, but I am ashamed that our country is "led" by President Bush. He has done enormous damage to the United States' global credibility.
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Oh yeah I voted and I'm PROUD to say I voted Kerry. People may say this sounds extreme, but I am ashamed that our country is "led" by President Bush. He has done enormous damage to the United States' global credibility.



post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Oh yeah I voted and I'm PROUD to say I voted Kerry. People may say this sounds extreme, but I am ashamed that our country is "led" by President Bush. He has done enormous damage to the United States' global credibility.
Yup. I just got back from Hungary yesterday - so much for Rumsfeld's "New Europe" vs. "Old Europe". I'm sick to death of hearing how stupid Americans are/were to vote for Bush. He wasn't elected the first time, and his "re-"election was by a very narrow margin, but just holding U.S. citizenship makes you culpable for all his mistakes. The "Ugly American" image is alive and well, and not just in countries traditionally antagonistic toward the U.S..
An Italian neighbor likened Bush to Berlusconi.....
post #44 of 53
I was in Taiwan when the Clinton scandal happened. You won't believe the kinds of jokes they made over there!!!

Taiwan is actually very friendly to Bush. A lot of Asian countries are very friendly to Bush.

How was Hungary??? I would love to go there. It must be lovely over there. Any place right now is better than Texas

post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by shengmei
I was in Taiwan when the Clinton scandal happened. You won't believe the kinds of jokes they made over there!!!

Taiwan is actually very friendly to Bush. A lot of Asian countries are very friendly to Bush.

How was Hungary??? I would love to go there. It must be lovely over there. Any place right now is better than Texas

Hungary was cold and wet, unfortunately. We've been visiting there just about every year since 1990 (my husband's parents are Danubian Swabians, meaning they are of German descent, but were born and raised in Hungary. They were teenagers during WWII, but because of their "Germanness", were shipped off to Siberia following the war, and their parents were forced to leave the country, and resettled in Germany.) Why do some Asian countries like Bush? I would assume that some predominantly Muslim Asian countries, like Indonesia and Malaysia, would be hostile toward him.
Taiwan has been in limbo for so long, which must be very difficult. Japanese occupation, the civil war in China, and then being courted as democratic China, only to be virtually ignored once the PRC decided to adopt "market socialism" and industrialize at such a rapid rate. I still remember when it was called Formosa. I have relatives (by marriage) from Taiwan; my great-grandfather immigrated to the USA from Mukden (mainland China), so China holds a certain fascination for me. I would love to visit there. My impression is that Bush Sr. and Clinton were far more interested in China as a whole than G.W. is, but less interested in South America.
post #46 of 53
Basically since China is Communist (extremely left) Taiwan has to be supporting the right side since China is the archenemy of Taiwan.
post #47 of 53
Voted for Kerry. Did so while holding my nose, but decided it was better to vote for Kerry and do my part to hopefully see the Electoral College abolished than to vote for a third-party or write-in candidate and have my vote do basically nothing.
post #48 of 53
I voted for Bush. I felt he was the lesser of two evils. I think he has done a fair job with what he had to put up with. A few months into his term 911 happened. While I do not agree with everything he has done, I still support him. I support and pray for our troops in Iraq also.
post #49 of 53
Would it surprise anyone to know that I voted for the winner??? By which I mean... Kerry. Because he actually would have won the election if Kenneth Blackwell was not running the election count in Ohio...

Does it strike anyone else as odd that going by the exit polls it is mathematically impossible that Bush really won the election? And before you tell me that they can make polls say anything they want remember who was conducting the polls and that the people doing so wanted to be able to accurately predict the winner, whoever he was. There was actually statistical overkill for accuracy.

Anyway. I did vote for Kerry because I actually think he'd be a good president, not because he's the lesser of two evils or whatever.

I also voted for a republican congressman because I've met him and I liked him and his ideas weren't crazy when he was elected. They are now and I won't be voting for him again.

All I can say looking forward to the next election is good riddance to our governor in Ohio. Now that he's been indicted and his approval ratings are something like 10% I'm pretty sure he's not coming back...
post #50 of 53
The 2004 presidential election was the first election I ever voted for and I was deployed overseas when I did it and yes, I voted for Bush and would do it again because I so disliked John Kerry....he was too wishy washy.
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by ButterflyDreame
The 2004 presidential election was the first election I ever voted for and I was deployed overseas when I did it and yes, I voted for Bush and would do it again because I so disliked John Kerry....he was too wishy washy.
Is it just me or does Bush sound so much better ON radio than ON TV?

Everytime I listen to one of his speeches on radio, I am amazed by his veracity. Everytime I see him delivering a speech on TV, he looks like a cowboy. He really should use radio more and TV less.
post #52 of 53
He isn't nearly a bad speaker as most people lead to believe, though he has made mistakes, but how hasn't?

Really too, it's not just the president it's the adminstration and the house and senate that are also responsible for the state of affairs of the country.

But I despise getting into politcal debates.....I'm more of a middle ground person stuck in highly republican household...no big for me.....I don't agree with everything that's happened during Bush's administration but I don't disagree with everything either.
post #53 of 53
No, he isn't a bad speaker compared to the general population. But he's pretty terrible for someone who is supposed to be the representative of every single one of us to the entire world, and also for someone who went to an ivy-league where they still place so much emphasis on Rhetoric classes and debate teams and such. To me, being a five-star public speaker is part of the job description of the President of the US. And I would think that even if I agreed with every single idea he has. And he is not from Texas or the south or anything of the sort, he is from New England and the rest of his family talks like it. Why doesn't he? I don't mean a prestige accent or big words or anything, just standard English grammar and a lack of stuttering and nervous laughter.
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