My mom and I are rather outraged right now!!

People like that existing is why Pudge is a strictly indoor cat. Kepping her out of their reach = fewer headaches and less heartache for me.

Originally Posted by CommonOddity042

People like that existing is why Pudge is a strictly indoor cat.

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yep yep.....

Sounds exactly like someone who started trapping cats in 2001. We lost Grizzly twice, once in April, again in May (we should have known better than to have let him outside again, but he was breaking our hearts for 2-3 weeks until we caved in). We found him at the AC in April (they were the ones who told us he'd been trapped), and we didn't find him in May. No AC, no shelter, nothing. I know a friend of my sister had lost a few cats (when we picked up Grizzly in April, my sister recognized one of the cats in the cages, but my sister's friend didn't even care). I don't know what to believe anymore, on where he is. Is he dead? Did he get dumped at a farm? Did the trapper kill him? Is he living a nice life with a new family?

On the other hand, if it weren't for him (her?), we'd still be letting our cats live indoor/outdoor lives. But it wasn't up to him to decide to take the law into his own hands and I'll never forgive him for that, even though we had a part in Grizzly's disappearance too (letting him outside after he got trapped the first time).

Are you saying that another cat of your mom's was caught or is it the same one that you both saw in the trap while walking by?? Surely you two couldn't have just let the poor baby sit there and not try and rescue her? I know there is NO WAY that my cats would stay in someone's trap if I had seen them there! And it wouldn't matter if the trap owner was present or not!!

Originally Posted by taterbug

Are you saying that another cat of your mom's was caught or is it the same one that you both saw in the trap while walking by?? Surely you two couldn't have just let the poor baby sit there and not try and rescue her? I know there is NO WAY that my cats would stay in someone's trap if I had seen them there! And it wouldn't matter if the trap owner was present or not!!

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No no no!! We let her cat Simba out(the one that WAS trapped) we let him out as soon as we saw him! And even if it wouldnt have been him, we would of let the cat out!! My moms cat Macy is the one that he trapped apparently on Thursday and he dumped her near a bridge! Thats the one we are trying to find now-and hope shes still alive, or that maybe she is trying to find her way home.

Originally Posted by KatKisses

How is it going so far with talking to the man/cops?

We use the cage cat traps, let me exlpain though. We live right beside of a busy interstate and many cats are just dropped off to fend for tehmselves, they all come to my house, we feed them, so thats a given. We don't set the trap until the cat has been around several times, and I always ask my friend at the back of the neighborhood is it's one of her cat or one of the other neighbors cat. If we trap a cat that we know is someones cat we let it back loose. When we have the cage set for trapping a cat we check it every couple of hours. When we have caught a cat I sex it, see if it's skinny as most of them are, check for and visible sicknesses then put them in one of our kennels. I have worked with and tamed many wild cats, I have also rehomed some, but I always make sure that the person knows that the cat was feral. If the cat is sick I isolate it from my others, and treat it with what I have, if that sin't working it goes for a vet vistit. I can't immeadiatly take every single cat we find to the vet, there are constantly cats coming up. We neuter all of the boys we get too.

I would worry, he could be the type that traps them and shoots them. I have heard of that before.

I just don't understand humans sometimes...

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The cops say its legal if hes doing it in HIS yard and hes not killing them! We talked to this JERK last night and he pretty much laughed the whole time and just decided that theres too many cats pooping in his yard and hes tired of having to scrape it off his feet...yadda yadda!! There is several strays in the neighborhood, that my mom leaves food out for-but hes trapped two of hers and thats where the problem comes in!!! He said at least hes giving them a chance by "dumping" them, instead of killing them, well I am sorry, but thats not giving them a chance at all-dumping them in the wild to fend for themselves, and thats what we kept trying to explain to him, he never did get it!! Ughh......low life scum anyways.....

Oh I am so sorry to hear this. I don't know how other people are about their babies, but if something happened to Conner I'd need to be hospitalized or institutionalized, at least temporarily. I can't even imagine, or, I can, and now I am all tearfull. :-( I'm such a baby, I can't deal with even that thought of that, that's why my sweetie only goes outdoors on a leash under my care and watchful eye.

Unfortunately for all the poor cats in the neighborhood, what this guy's doing (although unethical) is legal. He is not going to stop, so it is up to you and all the other caring pet parents in the neighborhood to band together to protect your pets. Build them enclosures, use leashes, or keep them indoors. Anything other than that would be neglectful when you know the awful dangers that await them.

I am so sorry you are even having to worry about this, some people can be very cold-hearted. My thoughts are with all the kitties that have been unwillingly relocated. :-(

Originally Posted by catloverin_ks

No no no!! We let her cat Simba out(the one that WAS trapped) we let him out as soon as we saw him! And even if it wouldnt have been him, we would of let the cat out!! My moms cat Macy is the one that he trapped apparently on Thursday and he dumped her near a bridge!

Thats the one we are trying to find now-and hope shes still alive, or that maybe she is trying to find her way home.

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What an #%^^%#@!@$!!

I've merge the two threads on this topic for you.

Originally Posted by rapunzel47

I've merge the two threads on this topic for you.

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Thank you!

I still don't understand, is this a humane live trap he is using? If so, what is the problem? What would you like him to do with the cats that are pooping in his lawn (disgusting) and otherwise annoying him? Just let them because they are cats you know and your mother refuses to keep them indoors and be responsible for them? I know many people who trap cats that hang around outside disrupting things on their property and take them to the shelter. Right now, shelters around here will pretty much euthanize any "stray" adult cats brought in right away, as it is kitten season. Would you prefer that? I just don't understand exactly what is going on here, i guess.

Keep them INDOORS or make an ENCLOUSURE. Its not this mans job to be responsible for your moms cats.

Is what he is doing right? IMO no.

But in his opinion he is right.

Just like IMO letting cats wander outdoors is dangerous.

Originally Posted by amber416

I still don't understand, is this a humane live trap he is using? If so, what is the problem? What would you like him to do with the cats that are pooping in his lawn (disgusting) and otherwise annoying him? Just let them because they are cats you know and your mother refuses to keep them indoors and be responsible for them? I know many people who trap cats that hang around outside disrupting things on their property and take them to the shelter. Right now, shelters around here will pretty much euthanize any "stray" adult cats brought in right away, as it is kitten season. Would you prefer that? I just don't understand exactly what is going on here, i guess.

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YOU dont understand!??! He is taking peoples pets and dumping them in the country, and just leaving them to fend for themselves!! What do you NOT get here? These cats have been around longer than that man(he just moved in) and they have been there 10+ yrs! AND my mom is responsible for her cats, she has always had indoor/outdoor cats, theres nothing wrong with it...JMHO though. Some people choose not to let their cats outside, and that is great, but these cats are and always have been outoodrs and indoors. And thats a bunch of BS about poop in his yard,because most cats bury their poop anyways, and maybe he should check his feet before going inside....
If you still dont GET the whole situation, PM me and I will be glad to further explain.

Originally Posted by catloverin_ks

YOU dont understand!??! He is taking peoples pets and dumping them in the country, and just leaving them to fend for themselves!! What do you NOT get here? These cats have been around longer than that man(he just moved in) and they have been there 10+ yrs! AND my mom is responsible for her cats, she has always had indoor/outdoor cats, theres nothing wrong with it...JMHO though. Some people choose not to let their cats outside, and that is great, but these cats are and always have been outoodrs and indoors. And thats a bunch of BS about poop in his yard,because most cats bury their poop anyways, and maybe he should check his feet before going inside....
If you still dont GET the whole situation, PM me and I will be glad to further explain.

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Thanks for the clarification. No need to be rude. However you didn't answer any of my questions . Would you prefer he take your moms cats that are bothering him on his property to the shelter where they will likely be euthanized? Otherwise, what would you prefer him do to take care of this situation?

Unfortunately i do understand things perfectly right now and you and your mother are in the wrong. What you don't seem to understand is that these poor defenseless cats are the victims in this situation. However, it is your mother who is victimizing them. It is her responsibility to keep them safe. They depend on HER for that. Not this man who doesn't appear to want cats or even like them. Do you understand that?

First off, i don't agree with what the man did- you should never trap an animal unsupervised without food or water.....but i also do not agree with keeping your mothers cats indoor/outdoor. It is just not safe and responsible pet ownership- statistics prove that it is more beneficial to a cats health to be kept indoors...they are not exposed to other cats and potential cat fights and injuries , nor are they exposed to as many dangerous diseases and pestilantas if they are indoors. All of those things could cost your mom a small fortune in vet bills, not to mention the potential death of her kitties due to cars, cruel humans such as your neighbors, posioning, kitty fights, disease....i could go on....you get the point. The main thing is to keep the kitties indoors....even if they've been indoor outdoor for 10 years, it is still ok to acclimate them into being indoors only. it will potentially save the kitties lives as well as your mom's sanity over worrying about them. I'm not trying to be mean, but it really is the responsible thing to do, especially if there are others who view the cats as "pests" and try to harm them. You really have to consider what is in the best interest of the cat and be willing to make that sacrafice to be a good owner- and i'm sure your mom is, she seems to care about them enough to be concerned for their wellbeing, so the natureal step would be to move them indoors. Also, It is a good idea to provide them some access to the outside since they've been out for soo long and it will help them adjust easier to their new surroundings- i suggest getting a cat proof inclosure ( and flea treatment for the kitties!!!) so they can sit out in a garden and get some of the fresh air they crave but at the same time be safe from the potential harm of mean intentioned neighbors and other kitties. Also, training them to use a collar and leash is a wonderful idea to let your kitties get a taste of the outdoors while your able to supervise them- it is really easier than it sounds to teach a cat...all four of mine walk on a leash in our garden when it's nice outside. So once again please don't take offense to anytyhing i've said- you asked for advice, so i do believe moving your mothers cats indoors would be the best step possible to ensure their safety as well as their protection, and also so your mother will know the animals that she's taken care of for over a decade will be safe.


Also just a little tid bit of information....in the United States, a pet is considered someones "property" ---so since your mom owns those cats and they are considered her property....when those cats tresspass onto that old mans property...he has every right (cruel or not) to remove them. So please do not think people are being mean to you when they offer advice. the cat site is here to educate and inform cat owners and promote responsible pet ownership...the members on here are only trying to help and see to it that your mothers cats are safe and sound and that you and your mother are well informed on the most up to date cat information.It is your mom's responsibility to take care of her "property" and see to it that they do not become a pestilance to her neighbors...no matter if the neighbor just moved in and the cats had been around 10 plus years....the cats are her responsibilty, not his and he is considered a human, not property like the cats are, so the government will not frown upon him not wanting those cats on his property....So for the safety of the cats, your mom needs to move them indoors, because she would never win a case against another property owner when her "property" is tresspassing on his. I'm not being mean, that's just how pet ownserhip in the US works.

If your mom won't keep her cats inside, she should at least get them all bright flashy colars with tags that have her contact info. Then she needs to talk to her neighbor to explain about the collars and ask him to call her if he traps one of her cats. There is of course nothing to prevent the cats from getting out of their collars or him from ignoring the collars all together.

You should also talk to this man and explain to him that trapped stray cats need to be taken to a no-kill shelter as they won't be able to survive in the wild. She can also offer to purchase some cat detterent devices/products to keep cats out of his yard.

But obviously the best solution would be to keep her cats inside and to rehome any outdoor strays she doesn't want dumped in the wild.

~Julia

Originally Posted by catloverin_ks

YOU dont understand!??! He is taking peoples pets and dumping them in the country, and just leaving them to fend for themselves!! What do you NOT get here? These cats have been around longer than that man(he just moved in) and they have been there 10+ yrs! AND my mom is responsible for her cats, she has always had indoor/outdoor cats, theres nothing wrong with it...JMHO though. Some people choose not to let their cats outside, and that is great, but these cats are and always have been outoodrs and indoors. And thats a bunch of BS about poop in his yard,because most cats bury their poop anyways, and maybe he should check his feet before going inside....
If you still dont GET the whole situation, PM me and I will be glad to further explain.

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I understand that these cats have been outside for 10 years, but that just means you have been lucky to not run into anything like this in the past. It doesn't matter that this man "just moved in". He has just as much a right to keep them off of his property now as he would have if he had been living there for 20 years. It is HIS property. The cats are your moms and they are going onto his. You are not dealing with the morality of the situation because, unfortunately, that doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that it is illegal for the cats to be on his property and he is going to do something about it. You (or your mother) have to take the responsibility of keeping these cats off of his property or you might not see them again

How is continuing to allow them to run free with the capability of ending up in his yard any different than what he is doing now... meaning, aren't you leaving them out there to fend for themselves as well?

Originally Posted by squirtle

I understand that these cats have been outside for 10 years, but that just means you have been lucky to not run into anything like this in the past. It doesn't matter that this man "just moved in". He has just as much a right to keep them off of his property now as he would have if he had been living there for 20 years. It is HIS property. The cats are your moms and they are going onto his. You are not dealing with the morality of the situation because, unfortunately, that doesn't matter. What does matter is the fact that it is illegal for the cats to be on his property and he is going to do something about it. You (or your mother) have to take the responsibility of keeping these cats off of his property or you might not see them again

How is continuing to allow them to run free with the capability of ending up in his yard any different than what he is doing now... meaning, aren't you leaving them out there to fend for themselves as well?

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I second that. Your mother really needs to move them indoors.

I have been a longtime lurker to this site and in reading, I was compelled to register just to reply this post.

I am a very responsible pet owner with 6 indoor only cats (ages ranging from 8 months to 10 years, and all coming from the shelter or rescue) and a seven year old lab (also a rescue). Even though I have my own pets, and am an animal lover through and through, dosen't mean that I want someone else's cats and dogs tearing up my yard...pooping in my yard (I clean up after my dog..but it doesn't mean that I want to clean up after yours!), etc.

I have a large cabinet under a window in my basement that my cats love to sit on and look outside. Unfortunately, because someone can't keep their own cat inside, my outside screen is all torn up from these other cats ripping it up. I have also, many times, heard my own cats becoming very upset at the intruder just outside the window. Not to mention the outsider growling at my cats. Just last weekend, I heard him outside hissing and growling so I went outside to shoo him away, and he sprayed my front door and front porch! Now you talk about someone being VERY upset at this!!

This is MY house and MY yard...I have animals and am a very responsible owner and I love them dearly, BUT...keep your own pets in your own yard or in your own house.

My two cents....if your mom would keep her cats inside, she wouldn't be having this problem. Not that I agree with the way this neighbor is doing things, but I can certainly understand his frustrations!