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post #1 of 25
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I found this website when searching something else, using Google. Apparently this organization wants to let children drink alchohol and vote!


www.youthrights.org



What do you people think about this??
post #2 of 25
Not sure about the voting thing, but I actually think it would be a good idea to eleminate the restriction on underage drinking. It's not because I think it's a good idea for kids to drink, but I think one of the reason why teenagers drink so much is because it is forbidden. Drinking wouldn't be such a thrill if it was legal.

I knew someone who grew up in South America where drinking was legal for any ages and when she moved here, she was really surprised at how much young people here drink. When she was in South America, alcohol wasn't a big deal.
I was also allowed to try beer and wine when I was a kid and I throught it tasted gross. If I had been told that drinking was absolutely forbidden, you can be sure that I would have drank a lot more as a teenager!
post #3 of 25
I don't agree with the voting necessarily, but some people who are in their late teens constribute a lot more to societies than some people old enough to vote and I think they should be heard.

But I agree with Marie to an extent on the drinking, allowing a drinking age of 21 is just asking for people to drink underage, people are going to drink, and I for one would be more comfortable with the idea of my teenage children drinking in a licensed bar than begging adults to buy them beer and drinking it in a field or whatever.

A major part of that Bill is also the increasing of education on alcohol, not just people saying 'this is bad' which I think will be useful.
post #4 of 25
I think that the voting age is good at 18. Most kids aren't that interested in elections ( terrible I know) and some are. I think that 18 is fair, but that we should give those that are younger and care an oppertunity to be heard.


As for the drinking age, I think the states drinking age is silly. You're an adult and can vote when you turn 18 but you can't drink till your 21. weird.

In my province, the drinking age is 19 and in Alberta the drinking age is 18. We still have some problems with the underage drinking and there always will be, but not to the extent it would be if it were 21. I think 18 or 19 is a reasonable expectation for the drinking age.
post #5 of 25
I totally agree with lowering the drinking age. Remember why the voting age was lowered to 18? Because if you're old enough to kill and die for your country, you're old enough to decide who it's leaders are. How about, if you're old enough to kill and die for your country, you're old enough to have a beer when you come home. That said, most bars near military bases accept a military ID as proof of being legal drinking age whatever your real age is...

I taught Orientation class last semester and I had four international students who thought the drinking age was the cause of so many of our alcohol-related problems and also ridiculous. Back home, one girl had a beer with dinner or whatever with her parents or went out with friends and didn't drink to get drunk, she comes here and can be kicked out of school have her student visa revoked if she's caught with a beer in her hand. All four said they were absolutely astounded by the alcohol abuse in this country.

If you can lease an apartment, get credit cards, join the military, etc, then why are you not responisble enough to drink? Having just turned 21, the answer is: because that's the law. There is no other reason for it. My friends drove more drunk before they turned 21 than they do now, and I know alot of people who were borderline alcoholic who stopped drinking as much once it was legal.

As for the voting age, why would you trust a 16 year old less than an 18 year old? I think it'd be great for the country if 16 year olds voted because then they might actually pick up the habit while they still have the guidance of government and history teachers to make them go do it, rather than once you turn 18 and nobody goes and votes. With such low voter turnout, how could allowing more people to vote hurt anything.
post #6 of 25
I read an article in Macleans that said that younger voting ages may increase voter turnout and a more recent one that said more people voted for the American Idol finale than any president in history, I can't see it hurting at all, and if older people don't like the choice made by the younger voters, perhaps they could bother to come out and vote.
post #7 of 25
[quote=Zissou'sMom]If you can lease an apartment, get credit cards, join the military, etc, then why are you not responisble enough to drink?QUOTE]

Scientifically speaking your brain isn't fully developed until your at the age of 21-25. So since alcohol effects brain cells and can kill off brain cells, then 21 was set so that drinking would not effect the growth of your brain.

HOWEVER, I do agree that children should be allowed to share a beer. As that site said, it makes more sense to have a youngster understand what its like to be drunk before they ever get behind a wheel.


It is a toss up though: teach innocent children to drink alcohol (possibly responsibly) and/or run the risk of childhood alcoholism, OR increase risks of drinking related accidents in their 20s?
post #8 of 25
The only thing I agree with them on is the drinking age. It doesn't make much sence to be old enough to fight for your coountry but not old enough to drink. I personally think it should be lowered to 18. As for lowering the voting age, Most 18 year olds don't have a clue about politics, I know I didn't. I but I still went and voted in the 2000 election. The school issue: yes students should have some imput as to what happens in their school but should not be the final say. I see where these kids are coming from but they jsut need to wait their turn like everyone else.
post #9 of 25
I can't drink alcohol. I have no alcohol dehydrogenase in my system and my body can't metabolize it.

Every single time I wonder what I am missing, I look around myself. I live near a group of alcoholic bars, and I am amazed how people behave when drunk.

Actually I wouldn't mind lowering the voting age to 16. I was in debate teams for the longest time when I was younger and I have always been amazed how today's youngesters know more about politics than ever before.
post #10 of 25
[quote=lunasmom][quote=Zissou'sMom]

: teach innocent children to drink alcohol [quote]


Mmm I know what you are saying with the rest, but I can guarentee that children are not "innocent" by any means. Ignorant, yes. Innocent, no. I say this because children mirror the adult world and we are not innocent. Children and teens know a lot more than we give them credit for and many do things (whatever those things maybe) that are not so innocent.
post #11 of 25
Even though children are not innocent, they do not learn the skills of subversion until later.

A lot of people are very skilled in the arts of finding ways to destroy other people without ever getting caught and leaving any evidence. Children don't do this. The skills of doing such evil come later in life.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by shengmei
Even though children are not innocent, they do not learn the skills of subversion until later.

A lot of people are very skilled in the arts of finding ways to destroy other people without ever getting caught and leaving any evidence. Children don't do this. The skills of doing such evil come later in life.
True that, but what I was saying was that we are not corrupting "innocent" children (btw I don't think an 18 year old to be a child anymore) by lowering the drinking age. These young adults have to make a lot of hard choices besides whether or not to drink, so give them some slack.
post #13 of 25
You'll be surprised by the character of my students. I teach freshmen biology and I have the highest respect for the "innocence" of my students. They are wonderful, wonderful people and I would personally prefer to interact with them anyday over the people in my own age group. LOL.

Cops around here actually don't persecute freshmen drinking that much unless the infrigements are very serious. I think they realize that they can easily ruin a freshman's life by prosecuting him/her. The University of Texas A&M dictates that any freshman convicted of underage drinking would lose all scholarships. That would be the end of one's educational career for most people.
post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marie-p
Not sure about the voting thing, but I actually think it would be a good idea to eleminate the restriction on underage drinking. It's not because I think it's a good idea for kids to drink, but I think one of the reason why teenagers drink so much is because it is forbidden. Drinking wouldn't be such a thrill if it was legal.

I knew someone who grew up in South America where drinking was legal for any ages and when she moved here, she was really surprised at how much young people here drink. When she was in South America, alcohol wasn't a big deal.
I was also allowed to try beer and wine when I was a kid and I throught it tasted gross. If I had been told that drinking was absolutely forbidden, you can be sure that I would have drank a lot more as a teenager!
You know, I never thought of it like that. You have opened my eyes! I have changed my stance entirely!
post #15 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polyglot
You know, I never thought of it like that. You have opened my eyes! I have changed my stance entirely!
I agree!!! When I grew up my mother regularly sent me to the grocery store for saki (rice wine) to use in her cooking (mmmmmm.....mmmmm.....mmmmm....YUM )

There were no teenage alcohol problem in Taiwan except in certain indigenous groups. Nowadays we have an age restriction on alcohol and the last I heard (from my siblings in Taiwan) there had been some binge drinking going on in her school.
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Was the "yum" referring to the cooking or the wine?

I have never had anything to drink, because genetics show that I would probably become an alchoholic if I did. However, I would not prevent others, should they wish to drink. (In my country of origin the age is 18, and they rarely check.)
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polyglot
Was the "yum" referring to the cooking or the wine?

I have never had anything to drink, because genetics show that I would probably become an alchoholic if I did.
The cooking, of course....nothing like Mum's cooking (especially since I left my family a month before I turned 14).

Yeah the genetic part is a bit tricky here. The people who get most addicted to alcohol are also the people whose bodies can handle alcohol the least. Alcohol would simply be devestating to such people.
post #18 of 25
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I think I probably could handle it, but I do not wish to tempt myself.
post #19 of 25
Well and another thing too....I'm not sure about other states, but in Michigan you can smoke at 18.

So you can die for your country, vote, [legally] choose your own cancer, but you have to wait for 21 to drink??!?!
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
Yup. That sounds about right.
post #21 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polyglot
Yup. That sounds about right.
I agree!!!

How about we lower the drinking age to 18 and double the penalty for public intoxication? That should cut down the rate of binge drinking.
post #22 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well, I think that the drinking age changing is a good idea. However, I think that people should be allowed to get drunk, as long as they don't drive or operate any vehicles.
post #23 of 25
By the time people get drunk, however, all the advantages of imbibing alcoholic beverages are long gone.

I wish when people drink, they get slightly inebriated and stay that way.

I just read an article in British Cosmo about drunk women who attack other women. I was like EEP!!!
post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 
Oh yes, it can cause violence. Sorry, I meant as long as they are in no position to harm others during intoxication. We are a little of topic....

Does anyone have anything to add to this debate?
post #25 of 25
I would also like to point out that kids drink (and smoke) well before it's legal, so there really isn't any question of protecting kids from drinking or whatever. I drank a fifth of vodka when I was 13 (didn't drink for a while afterwards ). I know among my friends in high school a few years ago many of them started doing illegal drugs because it was hard to get alcohol... like, I can't tell you how many times I've heard things like "I can't find anyone to buy me beer so I'm smoking pot instead tonight". So really the high drinking age is more of a challenge than a restriction, because I haven't really had a problem getting alcohol since I was 17, and it was kind of fun since it was illegal. I drink less now that I'm legal, actually, I can go to a bar and have two beers and a great time whereas before I was 21 I had to get hosed at some party somewhere to have fun.
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