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post #91 of 114
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Originally Posted by Mimosa
What about feline obesity, diabetes and bladder problems ? I don't call that doing well, and I wouldn't say it doesn't occur much. Most of it is caused by feeding dry, carbohydrate laden foods. Very good for cats indeed.
I have to step in here and say that my vet told me she had more cats come in with crystals from eating Fancy Feast than any other food.
post #92 of 114
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
I have to step in here and say that my vet told me she had more cats come in with crystals from eating Fancy Feast than any other food.
I don't think that anyone here would claim that Fancy Feast is a "premium" food, wet or dry.
post #93 of 114
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What about feline obesity, diabetes and bladder problems ? I don't call that doing well, and I wouldn't say it doesn't occur much. Most of it is caused by feeding dry, carbohydrate laden foods. Very good for cats indeed.
The problem isn't so much the dry food, but how it's fed. If you don't FREE feed dry food, and give your cat a set amount each day they won't have weight problems. Most cats that are overweight are overfed and don't get much exercise, it doesn't help that dry food has more carbs, but it's not so much the carbs but the amount being fed. A cat being fed the proper amount of food everyday is not going to be overweight, but a cat being overfed will be.
post #94 of 114
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Originally Posted by GingersMom
Now I have this visual of a bunch of cats sitting around drinking booze and smoking it up, open cans of Fancy Feast at their little elbows, LOL!!!
Is that what they're doing when we're gone at work all day?
post #95 of 114
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Originally Posted by ChrissyR

I feed 9 lives, too. The kits think they are getting something special then. I do know that we buy roughly 50 pounds of dry food a week for everybody, including the ones on Purina One. The sensative ones also get Iams pouches. I figure it evens out that way. lol
Our cat we had growing up lived to be 19 years old. He would only eat 9 Lives canned food (and only certain flavors) and Little Friskies dry (not sure if they still make this). He did like certain flavors of Fancy Feast but my mother considered it too expensive!

He was the ultimate finicky cat -- if the canned food was pieces of meat with gravy he'd lick the gravy off and leave the meat.
post #96 of 114
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Originally Posted by Plebayo
The problem isn't so much the dry food, but how it's fed. If you don't FREE feed dry food, and give your cat a set amount each day they won't have weight problems. Most cats that are overweight are overfed and don't get much exercise, it doesn't help that dry food has more carbs, but it's not so much the carbs but the amount being fed. A cat being fed the proper amount of food everyday is not going to be overweight, but a cat being overfed will be.
Plus any dry food, premium, holistic, or grocery store brand can contribute to this problem if fed in excess. Someone mentioned crystals. We have no way of knowing what holistic brands may lead to crystals and was there proof that the crystals were actually caused by Fancy Feast or was it coincidence that cats with crystals were eating Fancy Feast and was it the dry food or the canned food? I would never feed the dry Fancy Feast anyway. I tried a couple of Fancy Feast cans just as treats but Rosie is not too crazy about it so I don't buy it anymore.
post #97 of 114
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Originally Posted by meow meow
Our cat we had growing up lived to be 19 years old. He would only eat 9 Lives canned food (and only certain flavors) and Little Friskies dry (not sure if they still make this). He did like certain flavors of Fancy Feast but my mother considered it too expensive!

He was the ultimate finicky cat -- if the canned food was pieces of meat with gravy he'd lick the gravy off and leave the meat.
Moms cat Poo is very picky. He'll eat anything you put in front of him as long as it has a ton of gravy. If there's no gravy, he ignores it. If the dry has no "gravey" (you have to add water to it) he won't eat it either. Doesn't matter what brand, either. LOL



Also, I agree with Plebayo. We used to free feed because that's what I saw when I was raised. Our one girl, Boo, ended up obese then she developed fatty liver disease. Now, we control how much they eat when possible. We still get some problems out of the cats who'll steal someone else's food. More times then not, they are all eating the same amount of wet and dry a day.
post #98 of 114
Can someone explain why exactly Fancy Feast is considered junk food? It's expensive enough, and its main ingredient is meat, there is no grain included. My 11 year-old-Annie, whom I got from the shelter 2.5 years ago, would not touch canned food of any type. But I wanted to wean her away from dry. Tried about a dozen premium foods, to no avail, she would not touch them.. I finally tried Fancy Feast and, voila, she loves the stuff. When it comes to dry, she favours the cheap stuff, like Whiskas Meaty Selections, but she will eat other types of dry. So, each day she has her choice of Whiskas Meaty, Innova dry, and Fancy Feast. I think, but am not sure, that the FF is causing quite large, smelly, soft stools, so now I have a problem, because I do want her to have wet food daily but the stench of her elimination is something to gag at. When she had only dry, there wasn't that problem.
post #99 of 114
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Originally Posted by Ruthie70
Can someone explain why exactly Fancy Feast is considered junk food? It's expensive enough, and its main ingredient is meat, there is no grain included. My 11 year-old-Annie, whom I got from the shelter 2.5 years ago, would not touch canned food of any type. But I wanted to wean her away from dry. Tried about a dozen premium foods, to no avail, she would not touch them.. I finally tried Fancy Feast and, voila, she loves the stuff. When it comes to dry, she favours the cheap stuff, like Whiskas Meaty Selections, but she will eat other types of dry. So, each day she has her choice of Whiskas Meaty, Innova dry, and Fancy Feast. I think, but am not sure, that the FF is causing quite large, smelly, soft stools, so now I have a problem, because I do want her to have wet food daily but the stench of her elimination is something to gag at. When she had only dry, there wasn't that problem.
Read the labels..
Most not all FF have by products ( heads ft intestines undeveloped eggs bood vessals ) many have soy( high allergen and cheap protein)

The grocery cat foods usually have dyes( i wont eat let alone a small mamal like a cat ) artificial colors and flavors( think "juice drinks" with 10% or less juice) grd corn ( goes in one end out the other) excessive grains( I personally like two meats to one grain but usually settle on one to one )
post #100 of 114
At 11 your kitty needs a quality diet ( I say senior ) soem will say all stage ...
Do you have access to Petco or Petsmart??
post #101 of 114
I'm in B.C. Canada and am not sure if we have Petco here - the nearest pet supply store is Tisol. I have tried Wellness, Merrick, Tech-Cal(sp?), Natural Source, Science Diet, Iams, Natural Balance Ultra, even Friskies(!), and some others that I can't remember. I do have a listing of the Top 10 wet foods (website: cats.about.com) but the trouble is Annie will NOT touch any canned food except FF. Maybe I should try again mixing FF with one of the above, but I don't have much hope - it didn't work before, she just ate her dry food instead and pestered me for treats. I have cut back on FF though, she gets a can and a half of the 3oz cans per day. Is there a premium food out there that most cats love?
post #102 of 114
I changed my cats onto better quality wet and dry last year, and for the first time, Ginger didnt have any clumps - just before I changed, I had to get the vet to help groom him as he had so many and hated being groomed- 2 days later he had more. Changed his diet the week after, and the only time he has had them since is when he pinched too much of Tom's food while I had workmen in. No one had made the connection between his diet and his fur before then. I know that his years on cheaper food hasn't affected his organs though as he has regular blood tests.
post #103 of 114
Some people get a little hysterical when discussing pet food. By-product meal and meat meal are not the devil. How wasteful are we as a species if we think that anything other than muscle meat from an animal is gross and useless?
As a matter of fact, whenever I see real meat listed as the first ingredient in a dry cat food I raise my eyebrows, as by weight "real meat" has less protein than meat meal.
post #104 of 114
as I am from the UK, I find this discussion a bit confusing, as we haven't got half as much choice in cat food as you do in the US. My cats don't like dry food much, and only eat it, when nothing else is there (I leave it out all the time, in case I get stuck at work or am late home). Dry food is quite cheap here, even premium (Science Diet, Hills, Eukanuba etc), but I like Iams Kitten for dry, and the cats seem to agree.

When it comes to wet food, I have noticed that price has no relation to how good food is, some just has fancy packaging and is therefore more expensive, but has identical ingredients to cheaper stuff.

Iams wet was really expensive compared to Whiskas (even though the ingredients on Whiskas actually look slightly better ), but instead of Iams getting cheaper, Whiskas has now got more expensive. I just went to the supermarket and stocked up on the old Whiskas pouches, as they are currently half the old price, which makes them cheaper than cans.

You say that expensive cat food is better,as you don't have to feed as much, but my cats don't understand that bit. They want food when they are hungry. They eat less of the canned stuff, but thats because they don't like it, not because it's better quality.

My best shot at the whole thing (being on a budget as well), is to feed them a variety of brands (whichever is on special deal at the moment), and hope that overall that way they get what they need. There is some natural stuff at the petshop which they like and I used to buy, but since I double checked the ingredients and found out that they use free range chicken from Indonesia and Thailand, I decided I will give it a miss. Don't need my cats dieing of bird flu...

Wet food wise, I have the choice of:
Katkins
Supermarket own brand
KiteKat
Whiskas/GoCat (= Friskies)/Felix
Iams
Sheba
Arthurs
Hi Life
Gourmet Gold

this is in price order. Katkins is awful. It has no real meat in it, just "Fish Flavour" etc, Gourmet Gold has a picture of a Persian Cat on it, and cost a fortune, but looks no different from Sheba. Out of these, what would you chose ?
post #105 of 114
MadPiano - I am in the UK and feed mine with HiLife for wet, the girls get HiLife biscuits and the boys get James Wellbeloved biscuits. I know what you mean with some of the wet foods, Gourmet gold might look different to normal cat food, but it still has the same ingredietns - althoguh dont know about the nutritional values.
post #106 of 114
madpiano - I'm in the UK too. My advice is to read the labels and feed the best you can afford. imo the best is what has a high meat content and the fewest artificial additives. If you look at the label of the whiskas (and most of the supermarket brands) you'll find they contain 4% meat (the oh so meaty contains a bit more). I was appalled at that (and rather ashamed I hadn't noticed before). I used to feed whiskas and felix to my cats but not anymore. Whiskas also contains sugar and I believe it is very high in salt too. I think kitekat and arthurs contain no sugar? Not sure as I don't read the labels of stuff that I don't feed but I think they might be better than some of the other tinned stuff, although it's still very low in meat. From your list I'd say that hi life is the best quality (the pouches are complementary not complete though so don't feed those exclusively). Like booktigger I feed mainly hi life and a newish one on the market called natures menu. I'm not very happy about the latter containing sugar but it does contain over 70% meat and no nasty added colours etc. If you can get to a pets at home or a jollyes you'll find more choice than in your supermarket and buying in bulk can reduce the cost per pouch/tin. I also buy some stuff mail order from zooplus.

For dry I feed James Wellbeloved or hi life. As to feeding less of the better quality stuff - if you look at the recommended feeding guide for a good quality dry and a poorer quality dry you'll find that it's lower for the former. When I feed dry I weigh it out and my cats know that's all they're getting! For dry food my advice would be to look at the ingredients and avoid anything that contains a lot of cereal.

Incidentally, a lot of european brands of pet food are manufactured in Thailand. Mine like almo nature which is made there and they haven't succumbed to bird flu yet!
post #107 of 114
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Some people get a little hysterical when discussing pet food. By-product meal and meat meal are not the devil. How wasteful are we as a species if we think that anything other than muscle meat from an animal is gross and useless?
As a matter of fact, whenever I see real meat listed as the first ingredient in a dry cat food I raise my eyebrows, as by weight "real meat" has less protein than meat meal.
I agree with that... usually when a product says "beef" or "chicken" you're paying mostly for water, not the meat itself.
post #108 of 114
Urbantigers - you can feed the pouches daily as long as you have a decent amount of dry food with them, and HiLife also do tins that are complete - and cheaper in supermarkets than their online supplier. They also do some complete pouches, but can only be found in certain supermarkets (Asda being one) - they are only 85g rather than 100g though.
post #109 of 114
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Originally Posted by Plebayo
I agree with that... usually when a product says "beef" or "chicken" you're paying mostly for water, not the meat itself.
Water is good! I want as much water into my Jaffa as possible! But yes, I agree about by products. I don't mind them as cats would eat the whole animal if they caught it live.
post #110 of 114
almo Nature was the one which I stopped feeding due to the use of free range asian chicken....

I do feed hi-life sometimes, when it's on special deal at Asda. They aren't that keen though and Gizmo is still a Kitten, so she needs kitten food really, and I haven't found one from Hi-Life. (Almo is for all ages btw).

I might finally do the switch to raw food. For people in the UK, if you feed raw, do you have your own meat grinder, or do you ask your butcher ?
post #111 of 114
Both almo nature and hi life do kitten versions

I'm quite interested in raw food but I think it would get too awkward when I want to put them in the cattery etc. I would be interested in giving them the odd raw meal though. Whenever I give them a piece of raw meat they love it.
post #112 of 114
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Water is good! I want as much water into my Jaffa as possible! But yes, I agree about by products. I don't mind them as cats would eat the whole animal if they caught it live.
Yes and no. When you buy a wet food there's already a ton of water if it isn't already listed as the second ingredient [or first]. So whether the meat has extra moisture or not doesn't really matter, and it's more worth your time for your cat to have more meat, than more water. Most cats regulate their water intake very well, and if you're already feeding wet food don't really need to have more fluids. People act like cats don't know how to drink water, but they do.

I agree about by-products. My only issue is quality control.
post #113 of 114
Besides, you can add your own water. It probably comes out of the tap cheaper than it comes in the can :-) I add a little water to Polly's canned food to increase her water intake.
post #114 of 114
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Originally Posted by GingersMom
I don't think that anyone here would claim that Fancy Feast is a "premium" food, wet or dry.
True, and I don't think anyone here can seriously vouch for the dry food because it hadn't been on the market long enough for people to see the effects.

Although I have several jugs of the Fancy Feast dry food handy because my cats love them better than their treats.

I like the fancy star shapes and colors. I put them in glass bottles so people who visit me think I am giving my cats expensive treats but I am not.
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