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post #91 of 109
wow, I missed some interesting coversation over the weekend .


I think that both smokers and non-smokers alike have to come to a reasonable compromise instead of being so completely selfish as to say I'm more right or whatever than the other side.

I wonder how the idea of liscensing would work in very small towns where there is only one restraunt and one bar. How would that work????

Here is a site that talks about venhilation systems: http://www.no-smoke.org/getthefacts.php?id=15 (CLick on the links from there to read other articles as well.) "COMPANIES AGREE THAT VENTILATION SYSTEMS DO NOT ELIMINATE HEALTH RISKS CAUSED BY SECONDHAND SMOKE" and "Scientists have not been able to identify a safe threshold level of exposure- even very low levels of secondhand smoke can cause illness or even death."

Here is another article that talks about places in the Uk that have done the separate smoking room thing. http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS01/606200388

Add: I came across this from Ontario about smoking rooms and the support for them in Ontario. Here's the link http://www.queensu.ca/cora/polls/200...ng_ontario.pdf
post #92 of 109
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Originally Posted by IloveSiamese


I wonder how the idea of liscensing would work in very small towns where there is only one restraunt and one bar. How would that work????

I imagine that it could be done by county. I think thats how liquor licenses are distributed in Florida.
post #93 of 109
*tagging*

Just wanted to say that I think the smoking ban is pretty much ridiculous. As and ex-smoker I believe smokers are people too. And I REALLY think it is ridiculous to ban smoking from bars lol. IMO if they are going to ban smoking then they need to ban cars, energy plants, incense, burning forests for power, etc. etc. There is pollution everywhere.

My baby(9 months) has allergies so there is no smoking in MY home, if you want to smoke go outside. But if I go in a public area or someone elses home I expect there to be allergins, pollution, and cigarettes in the air. This is just my opinion so please to burn me at the stake
post #94 of 109
If you pay a visit to the oral oncology unit at your local hospitals you may find that you never want to smoke again.

Both my mother and brother who were smokers contracted mouth cancer, and although theirs was bad because my mother had half her tongue removed and my brother part of his jaw, the sights of other patients there were horrendous
post #95 of 109
Rosiemac, you are very right. My big sister works at the throat/mouth cancer unit clinic once a week and since she started she has mostly quit smoking. She doesn't really smoke (like, not even every day anyway). But having to approve feeding tubes for people that go through their neck and liquid diets for people whose mouths have so many tumors they can't swallow or chew anymore also does it. I'm sorry about your family! Being that personal would be 5x the incentive. Also if you go see the bodyworlds exhibit (the plasticized dead bodies done as art) you can see cross-sections of lungs and the coal-miner's lung is really scary as is the smoker's and also the tumors and such. I didn't smoke for three days after I went there.

It is unreasonable to expect to be able to smoke wherever you want, just as it's totally irresponsible to give no mind to how much fossil fuels you're using or whatever. Thinking you should just be able to smoke wherever you want (I don't think anyone really thinks that anymore except old crotchety peoplelike my aunt) is like that girl I met once who said that if she wants to spend the money on putting the gas in her Hummer then it doesn't affect anyone else. Nevermind the fact that I've yet to see someone driving those who could actually handle driving something that big, that attitude that what we do doesn't affect anyone else and thus isn't their business is just ridiculous. This planet is far too crowded for that. Everyone needs to make reasonable accomodations for each other. Including putting up with smoking inside at certain places, and smokers being willing to not smoke in other certain places.
post #96 of 109
I do support the ban. Here is another link to check out... http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/06/27....ap/index.html

If you scroll down to the report findings it states that you can seperate and change the ventilation systems, but it doesn't elminate it.
post #97 of 109
I am always amazed how many people complain about how little money they have when they literally $20 goes up in smokes everyday.

Texas just passed another $1 per pack increase on cigratte taxes. In this rate by 2010 nobody would be able to afford to smoke.
post #98 of 109
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Originally Posted by shengmei
I am always amazed how many people complain about how little money they have when they literally $20 goes up in smokes everyday.

Texas just passed another $1 per pack increase on cigratte taxes. In this rate by 2010 nobody would be able to afford to smoke.

While I agree, I have been there. Unless you have too it is really hard to understand. I hope that raising it a dollar with encourage more to quit, but at the same time it angers me that they are doing that because that is more money out of MY POCKET and I DONT SMOKE!!!! (hubby smokes and isnt about to quit hehe)
post #99 of 109
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Originally Posted by marie-p
Yep. I'm happy about the new smoking ban.

I agree that people have a right to smoke if they want to but I don't think smokers should have the right to expose others to second-hand smoke.
I agree completely with your comment. There is no need to smoke. It's been medically proven that it's horrible for your health, and honestly, smokers are in the minority. Why should the rest of us who choose not to hurt our bodies have to deal with it? Great, you want to smoke...do it in the privacy of your own home, don't subject me to it.

ETA: I just finished my senior thesis project, a set-up for an anti-smoking site that allows the user to sift through facts and learn more. If I had the chance to do it again, I'd take the route of firsthand accounts, because those stories are heartbreaking. If anyone wants to check it out, it's located here...it's not nearly as complete as I'd like, it's just a prototype for how an interface like this could be approached.
post #100 of 109
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Originally Posted by Crystal211
I agree completely with your comment. There is no need to smoke. It's been medically proven that it's horrible for your health, and honestly, smokers are in the minority. Why should the rest of us who choose not to hurt our bodies have to deal with it? Great, you want to smoke...do it in the privacy of your own home, don't subject me to it.

ETA: I just finished my senior thesis project, a set-up for an anti-smoking site that allows the user to sift through facts and learn more. If I had the chance to do it again, I'd take the route of firsthand accounts, because those stories are heartbreaking. If anyone wants to check it out, it's located here...it's not nearly as complete as I'd like, it's just a prototype for how an interface like this could be approached.
Smokers are not in the minority in the uk.

The only reason the government in the uk believes that, is because in the uk,cigarettes and tobacco are so expensive in the uk.and so many people are buying contraband that the tax figures do not equate.So the government has to explain those losses.
Let me ask you a question..........
If i/ you were driving from Boston to Miami......me being a smoker.........
Would you put up with me in your Car/Vehicle....????
post #101 of 109
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Originally Posted by furryferals
The only reason the government in the uk believes that, is because in the uk,cigarettes and tobacco are so expensive in the uk.and so many people are buying contraband that the tax figures do not equate.So the government has to explain those losses.
Let me ask you a question..........
If i/ you were driving from Boston to Miami......me being a smoker.........
Would you put up with me in your Car/Vehicle....????
In all honesty, no I would not if you insisted on smoking in the vehicle. I have driven with smokers who insisted on smoking in the vehicle and it makes me physically sick...and I don't want to know what effect it would have on my insides. Second-hand smoke is more harmful than smoke from a cigarette because it is not as filtered...like I said before, I just did a huge project on it and I've read so many facts and personal stories about smoking my head is still ringing about it a month after it's complete.

I don't have anything against people who smoke....you're free to do what you want....but I'm free to breath fresh air.
post #102 of 109
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Originally Posted by Crystal211
In all honesty, no I would not if you insisted on smoking in the vehicle. I have driven with smokers who insisted on smoking in the vehicle and it makes me physically sick...and I don't want to know what effect it would have on my insides. Second-hand smoke is more harmful than smoke from a cigarette because it is not as filtered...like I said before, I just did a huge project on it and I've read so many facts and personal stories about smoking my head is still ringing about it a month after it's complete.

I don't have anything against people who smoke....you're free to do what you want....but I'm free to breath fresh air.
I didn't say i would smoke in the car

I am an occasional smoker and personally i would not smoke in the presence of anybody that does not smoke.I think it stinks disgusting and i agree there should be some control on where people can and cannot smoke.

There are already health and safety legislation in the uk preventing people smoking in public buildings.
I think the ban in the uk is a heavy handed approach to smokers that is not neccessary.
I have a friend who owns her own pub.she should have the right to say wether her pub is a smoking pub or a non smoking pub.But she can't because the government has passed these laws.

But the whole point of the Boston to Miami trip was just to put things into perspective.
Being in the car with me on that trip and me having a couple of ciggies would not kill you,and the risk to your long term health is just miniscule and is blown way out of proportion.
Now if I connected a hose to the Exhaust of that car and piped the fumes through the
window,we would not make it ten minutes out of Boston.We would be Dead.

Now all those fumes and carcinogens are in the air and killing us slowly right this minute and yet the governments won't do anything about that.

Don't I have the right to breath fresh air too even though i do like an occasional ciggie.
post #103 of 109
Very good point.
post #104 of 109
I'm a hard core smoker, that doesn't mind outrageous taxes on my smoking. Yet, I have a problem with the way the taxes on my habbit are being spent. I don't think that my tax dollars should pay to bail my stupid city out of it's financial woes. I think that my taxes should go to smoking prevention, and to help pick up the slack of the health care costs of people who had smoked all their lives.
post #105 of 109
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Originally Posted by furryferals

I think the ban in the uk is a heavy handed approach to smokers that is not neccessary.
I have a friend who owns her own pub.she should have the right to say wether her pub is a smoking pub or a non smoking pub.But she can't because the government has passed these laws.

But the whole point of the Boston to Miami trip was just to put things into perspective.
Being in the car with me on that trip and me having a couple of ciggies would not kill you,and the risk to your long term health is just miniscule and is blown way out of proportion.
Now if I connected a hose to the Exhaust of that car and piped the fumes through the
window,we would not make it ten minutes out of Boston.We would be Dead.

Now all those fumes and carcinogens are in the air and killing us slowly right this minute and yet the governments won't do anything about that.

Don't I have the right to breath fresh air too even though i do like an occasional ciggie.
In most cases, I'd agree that being exposed to a few cigarettes wouldn't kill most people. However, on behalf of my mom, I'd say that you could have killed her with those coupla ciggies. She was so allergic that she had to be hospitalized on more than one occasion due to her inability to breathe. We carried a special breathing machine for her in the back of our car. We often left restaurants when the non-smoking section wasn't separated enough from the smoking section.

Now, as for me, you may not kill me with those coupla ciggies, but yes, you would make my life pretty miserable--I've inherited my mom's smoke allergies, though my allergies aren't as severe.

I agree with you, however, that perhaps it would be better to leave pub owners with a choice as to whether or not they should allow smoking--as long as smokers AND non-smokers don't complain about it. All that I ask is that a sign be placed outside each establishment clearly stating whether it is a non-smoking or smoking-friendly place.

I'll be sad if I'm no longer able to visit some of my favorite bars because they allow smoking, but hey, maybe I'll save some money if I can't go out as much!

post #106 of 109
I don't think anyone has the RIGHT to go to a certain restaurant. The restaurant is the property of the owner and they are inviting you on it. You have no more right to be there, than you have to come inside my house.

Anyone can choose not to go to a restaurant/bar that allows smoking. I tend to go to restaurants in my town that are non-smoking because I don't like the smell of smoke when I'm eating.

As far as employment goes, you can choose not to take a job in a smoking establishment. Though I suspect that most wait staff/bartenders are smokers.
post #107 of 109
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Originally Posted by PurrPaws
As far as employment goes, you can choose not to take a job in a smoking establishment. Though I suspect that most wait staff/bartenders are smokers.
I don't know how true this is but I've noticed that as well.
post #108 of 109
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Originally Posted by furryferals


Smokers are not in the minority in the uk.

The only reason the government in the uk believes that, is because in the uk,cigarettes and tobacco are so expensive in the uk.and so many people are buying contraband that the tax figures do not equate.So the government has to explain those losses.
Let me ask you a question..........
If i/ you were driving from Boston to Miami......me being a smoker.........
Would you put up with me in your Car/Vehicle....????

Yes I would and I would let you have the occasional cig in the car as well. But you might hear me say how nice it has been since I quit
post #109 of 109
"As far as employment goes, you can choose not to take a job in a smoking establishment. Though I suspect that most wait staff/bartenders are smokers."

This is true for a majority. There are a few people who really couldn't get a job anywhere but at a restaurant because they change jobs alot, etc and managers at restaurants are more willing to hire someone like that because it isn't much risk (not much training, aren't paid much anyway by the restaurant, easy to find a replacement, etc). But they sort of dug themselves that hole. I like being a waitress, don't jump on me anyone, I know exactly how hard it is, but it is still unskilled labor. In food-service places I've worked that were non-smoking, few of the employees smoked at all. In food-service places I've worked that were smoking, most if not all of my coworkers were smokers.
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