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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by white cat lover
OK, so here's the scoop. I am going to call the picketers the meanies because this is a child-friendly site. I would like to call them something else, but I will keep this post .

The meanies showed up AT THE FAMILIES FARM the day after the family was notified to tell them how AWFUL their son was. HOW GOD HATED THEIR SON!!! (I heard the dad of the soldier was brandishing a shotgun at the meanies & his wife was too devastated to even move, she just collapsed when she saw the meanies. that may just be gossip, though)

Now, they are going to picket the funeral AND VIOLATE A MN STATE LAW by not staying 500 feet away from the funeral. The bikers guys(Patriot Guard) will try to protect the family from seeing the meanies.

Only 500 people can fit in the funeral home, the rest will line up along seveal roads, wearing red shirts & carrying flags in support of the fallen soldier's family. I couldn't bring myself to go to the viewing, & I think there are others who should go to the funeral more than I should, so I steered clear. I sent my own personal sympathy card to the family, though.

I do so hope all of the meanies get arrested! Have you seen what some of the signs say???? One they showed on the news said "Your preist is a " I cannot think of a way to even put a different word in there that would be appropraite. There are going to be 50-75 police officers there. There are what, 15-20 police officers for my county? Some of the farmers around here will not be ashamed to defend this family by breaking the law....everyone around here is one big family....we grew up with or raised the fallen soldier. Everybody knew him.

Mods, let me know if I did not censor my post enough. I tried to keep it all OK. Sorry if I didn't.
It's people like this that I truely honestly believe should have their reproductive organs removed. They should not be allowed to reproduce.
post #32 of 49
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Originally Posted by lunasmom
It's people like this that I truely honestly believe should have their reproductive organs removed. They should not be allowed to reproduce.
I can't believe I actually agree with you.

This infuriates me. I cannot believe how people see crazy lunatics like this and group us hard-working, sane religious conservatives with them!!!
post #33 of 49
It is a shame that a handful of lunatic religious/christian conservatives make those that are good people and kinda look horrible.
post #34 of 49
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Originally Posted by ButterflyDreame
It is a shame that a handful of lunatic religious/christian conservatives make those that are good people and kinda look horrible.
They are not Christians!!!

A real Christian would follow this rule "Judge not, lest ye be judged".


post #35 of 49
They aren't Christians. They are a cult, and the vast majority of the "members" are Phelp's family. They are freaks, plain and simple, and they don't preach anything remotely like ANY recognized religion - they preach hate and a proud of it.

They aren't conservatives, either. Even the staunchest of the Religious Right wouldn't agree with these idiots. That's why there are so many states that are passing the laws barring them from being anywhere near funerals. I am pretty sure that protests are banned within sight of Ft. Logan National Cemetary, the military cemetary here in Denver. It doesn't matter what political views you hold, actions like these are dispicable as can be seen in this thread. There is not one dissenting opinion here, and this group hardly agrees on anything! LOL
post #36 of 49
Well I should have worded it differently. I basically am saying those aren't Christians but are labeled such but the media. Thus making those people that are christians look like some sort of hypocritical nonsense.

I hope that makes sense????


I figured I worded it wrong.


I still don't think it's at all appropriate for anyone to picket funerals of fallen soldiers, they died protecting this country under orders that they were following...they deserve respect and our gratitude....and it's a slap in their face to picket their funerals just because you don't agree with the war (and by you I'm referring to the picketers of course).
post #37 of 49
It's completely immaterial who the deceased is or what he did for a living or how he died. The funeral is not for him, but for the family and friends he left behind. Disrupting that, adding stress to their lives on top of their loss, is wrong, no matter what the protester thinks of the deceased.

Protests are not wrong. There is a time and a place for everything, and a funeral is not it.
post #38 of 49
The only thing the "meanies" can be called is disrespectful... They aren't Christians, they are just bigots who happen to claim to be Christians.

And I would never protest a funeral. Ever. I would be more likely to protest not allowing filming or photography of our soldiers returned home sadly deceased. But not a funeral. That belongs to the family, and however you feel about a war, it is neither the family of the soldiers nor the soldiers fault.

These people do not understand that obviously, but they are getting what they want, which is press. They picked the most shocking thing they could possibly do, which in activism of any kind is actually the most desirable... but that doesn't make it right. It's like the pro-life group I saw throw an aborted fetus at former President Clinton... so extreme and distasteful it does nothing but hurt your cause.

Anyway, I'm glad that someone is there to protect the families, but it should be these idiots who have enough decency to quit what they're doing and find another way to say what they want to say.

You're right Heidi, I don't think anyone will say that what they're doing is good, and we (as a group) hardly ever agree on something in IMO.
post #39 of 49
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom

It's like the pro-life group I saw throw an aborted fetus at former President Clinton... so extreme and distasteful it does nothing but hurt your cause.
I didn't know that,That is Sickening,you would think pro-life would have more respect than that
post #40 of 49
What burns me up, is that the dead soldiers died protecting the darn picketers as well. They are absolutely insane to feel their behavior is justified.

I do believe in freedom of speech but some things ought to be against the law when you are purposely hurting someone else by your actions.
post #41 of 49
We do accept certain limitations on free speech, such as you cannot incite someone else to violence (against you or someone else), you cannot incite a panic (yelling fire in a theatre, etc) and you cannot make threats against someone or committ treason by sharing things you know with people who shouldn't know them... all sorts of thinsg like that.

And while this should fall under the common sense category of just simply being something you shouldn't do-- disturbing a funeral-- perhaps they should use hate crime laws to prosecute them. Like, you could not yell the things they're yellng at someone walking down the street who was in fact gay, because you would be asking for a fight "them's fightin words" and all. So why can they do it at a funeral?
post #42 of 49
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I personally believe that funerals cost as much as weddings, and they involve just as many emotions, if not more. For that reason they are as important as weddings. Funerals are sacred, in my opinion.
I really don't think the issue of money is here. If a funeral was free, it's still something that shouldn't be messed with, it's emotional.

My fiancé is in the Army and if he goes to war, he'll be fighting for those horrible people as well as the decent people in this country. I love how everyone enjoys protesting the war and calling those who put their lives on the line every name in the book, but if they were called upon to protect their country they would act like cowards.

It's so sad...my prayers are with this family. I hope that their actions don't take away how proud they must be of their son.
post #43 of 49
"I love how everyone enjoys protesting the war and calling those who put their lives on the line every name in the book, but if they were called upon to protect their country they would act like cowards"

We are not the same people. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comparing protesting the policy of a particular war to protesting the funerals of KIA soldiers is a false comparison. The two have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with each other, and most people who are against the current war (which is a MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY) love the soldiers and realize it is their job. We're not against the soldiers, we're against the war... We are not cowards, and we are also acting in defense of this country and what it is supposed to be. I have never met a war protester who hated America or hated the soldiers. We are arrested, searched, spied on, have snipers aimed at us and police in riot gear lined up against us, and yet do what we believe is right. I am not implying that it is as hard to protest the war as it is to fight in Iraq at all, I know it is nowhere near that. But we are certainly not cowards. I know soldiers who also protest the current war, and can hardly believe that they are because they didn't think they could ever disagree with what the government is doing.
post #44 of 49
Does anybody know whose fetus he/she is? His mother would be heartbroken to know that her baby is being used as a political statement.

Don't get me wrong. I am definitely a pro-lifer, but this kind of things disgust me.
post #45 of 49
[quote=shengmei]Does anybody know whose fetus he/she is? His mother would be heartbroken to know that her baby is being used as a political statement.[quote]

Yeah,IWould feel the same .....be it an animal or a faetus.

That faetus has no VOICE how dare anybody use the life/unborn life to further
their cause.....That is no different than Animal Abuse......IN....MY....OPINION
post #46 of 49
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"I love how everyone enjoys protesting the war and calling those who put their lives on the line every name in the book, but if they were called upon to protect their country they would act like cowards"

We are not the same people. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comparing protesting the policy of a particular war to protesting the funerals of KIA soldiers is a false comparison. The two have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with each other, and most people who are against the current war (which is a MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY) love the soldiers and realize it is their job. We're not against the soldiers, we're against the war... We are not cowards, and we are also acting in defense of this country and what it is supposed to be. I have never met a war protester who hated America or hated the soldiers. We are arrested, searched, spied on, have snipers aimed at us and police in riot gear lined up against us, and yet do what we believe is right. I am not implying that it is as hard to protest the war as it is to fight in Iraq at all, I know it is nowhere near that. But we are certainly not cowards. I know soldiers who also protest the current war, and can hardly believe that they are because they didn't think they could ever disagree with what the government is doing.
I wasn't referring to all who don't support the war - heck, I don't support the war! I'm talking about the horrible people who are stupid enough to pull stunts like the one mentioned in this thread - those are the same people that scream hurtful things to our soldiers for no reason other than the fact that they're upset. My point is that these people say and do things without thinking of how it affects others...especially the ones who DO go and fight this war, despite what they think of it.
post #47 of 49
Well, the fetus was probably stolen from a clinic. Just like all the ones they use on posters and t-shirts and billboards.

It was disgusting. I was eight years old and we were waiting in line to go through security and they were standing right next to us screaming curse words at us, my dad got so mad! Anyway, they somehow got way up to the front of the crowd (it must have been different people, I think, or the security wouldn'tve let them through cause their signs said since President Clinton let babies die, he should die too) and threw the fetus at him. Secret service caught it. It certainly didn't convince anyone in the crowd of anything but that these particular people were nutsos.

Which is, to me, very comparable to what the funeral protesters are doing.
post #48 of 49
I very much agree with you, Zissou'sMom
post #49 of 49
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
Well, the fetus was probably stolen from a clinic. Just like all the ones they use on posters and t-shirts and billboards.

It was disgusting. I was eight years old and we were waiting in line to go through security and they were standing right next to us screaming curse words at us, my dad got so mad! Anyway, they somehow got way up to the front of the crowd (it must have been different people, I think, or the security wouldn'tve let them through cause their signs said since President Clinton let babies die, he should die too) and threw the fetus at him. Secret service caught it. It certainly didn't convince anyone in the crowd of anything but that these particular people were nutsos.

Which is, to me, very comparable to what the funeral protesters are doing.
I think I understand what you were trying to convey.

I guess I am different because my father was an army surgeon and I travelled with the army all my life. For me, the army is a good opportunity for an honorable career. It is extremely important, but it is still only a career.

Soldiers should neither be deified or villanified by anybody. They are just people. Their jobs are no more or less risky than an AIDS researcher. We should just let them be and let them do their jobs. Putting too much emphasis on them, either positively or negatively, would affect their careers.
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